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’Mech of the Week TRO 3145 Special: Loki Mk II (Hel)
« on: 15 August 2013, 23:04:49 »
’Mech of the Week TRO 3145 Special: Loki Mk II (Hel)

Loki Mk II (Hel), Technical Readout: 3145 (The Clans). p.43

You can almost forgive Inner Sphere intelligence services for designating the newly observed machine the Loki Mk II. They had spent the last several decades watching the once and future Clan Sea Fox pumping out ‘Mechs tagged with an Mk II/III/ MMMCXLV/etc. designation. This sixty-five ton OmniMech does bear more than a passing resemblance to the iconic Loki that, frankly, boggled the minds of those same agencies nearly a century prior. The Clans themselves could recognize that the soul of the ‘Mech had changed. When the Hell’s Horses unveiled their new heavy it was christened the Hel. Perhaps whatever Technician or Scientist who recommended the moniker was being a bit cheeky as not only is it a shortened version of its predecessor’s proper name, but Hel is also the daughter of the mythological Loki. With the Hellbringer being such a prominent part of their touman, it’s not surprising that the Jade Falcons would acquire the rights to manufacture its successor. It has been spotted in the ranks of the other Clans since its introduction a few years before Gray Monday.

While the Hellbringer spared nearly every expense (rather famously including armor protection) in its quest for pod space and speed, the Horses went for a different approach the second time around. Weight was shaved were ever possible, stopping just short of importing Inner Sphere made gyroscopes. Even the size of the XL engine was reduced. With flank speeds of just 64 kph the Hel is more in line with its Inner Sphere counterparts and heavier Clan machines. Playfully derogatory nicknames like “Slowki” aside that’s sufficient speed to keep up with a fluid battlefield and bring a frequently long-ranged armament to bear. What was a somewhat eyebrow-raising choice was the inclusion of a small cockpit. Knowing Clan warriors they might argue successfully piloting in such conditions as a mark of superior breeding or some such nonsense. The end result of all that trimming is that the Hel has forty tons available for pods. Please re-read that last sentence. Yep, that’s just shy of 62% of the Mech’s weight dedicated to readily swapped weapons and equipment. No other OmniMech yet constructed comes remotely close. If you want to find Omnis with an equal or greater volume you have to look to assault class models. Thankfully the Horses learned from the past. This dedication to potential pod space doesn’t come at the price of armor. Or at least to the same degree as the Loki. Nine and half tons of Compound H17 ferro-fibrous stands between the Hel’s crunchy internal components and various things attempting to damage them. The forward upper sections actually have protection fairly comparable to other heavy ‘Mechs like the Flamberge and more recent incarnations of the Thunderbolt. The center torso passes the double-Gauss slug test with the remaining torso sections and arms capable of handling the heaviest of autocannon rounds. The legs are where the armor is relatively thin. The coverage is only marginally better than the arms. On the bright side, smart terrain utilization can help mitigate this issue. Regardless the popular term “pocket assault” absolutely applies to the Loki Mk II, though it’s perhaps the smallest ‘Mech to take the label. “Coin purse assault” may be applicable but it’s hardly going to catch on. Still, configurations can make or break an OmniMech. While only three standard configurations are known at this time they certainly make full use of that forty tons.

Loki Mk II (Hel) Prime – Mounting a Gauss rifle and an ER large laser in each arm, the Primary configuration of the Hel is a terrifying long range combatant. The twin Gauss rifles are fed by three tons of reloads. Some would probably prefer an extra ton of slugs to have been snuck into the chassis but two minutes of sustained fire is pretty solid in my book. A Streak SRM 4 launcher rests atop the right torso for peppering targets that manage to make it into shorter ranges. The final components are a double heat sink mounted in both the head and the center torso. As an aside, the remaining configurations also stuff heat sinks into this available space. Not enough to fire all the long-ranged weapons and stay heat neutral. But the heat buildup is negligible and any MechWarrior worth their neurohelmet should be able to manage.

Loki Mk II (Hel) A – The Loki Mk II A is reminiscent of the Hellbringer Prime at least in terms of having an eclectic mix of weapons and equipment. The arms share a pair of ER PPCs like its predecessor’s Prime configuration. Slung under the barrel of each Clan-made MechWarrior nightmare is a medium pulse laser. Tucked in the left torso and supplied two tons of ammo is an LB 10-X autocannon. Prized after all these years for its versatility, the LB 10-X is a favorite of many, myself included. A quartet of explosive weapons can be found in the right torso. Two improved medium heavy lasers and two AP Gauss rifles specifically. Just beware of a chain reaction that could result in the loss of not just the torso but the MechWarrior to boot. Finally the protective bubble of an Angel ECM suite and six double heat sinks round out the configuration. I have a soft spot for “a gun for every situation, a gun for every enemy” configurations and the Hel A is a shining example. Nearly anything short of a dropship needs to be a wee bit nervous when the A takes the field. Just don’t go off and start alpha striking unless you really need to end an engagement in short order.

Loki Mk II (Hel) B – The long tom cannon occupying the entire left half of the Hel B is not a common weapon, especially on Clan machines. Capable of damaging anything within a roughly 45 meter radius of the point of impact the cannon is intended to quickly obliterate concentrations of enemy units. Or forces them to scatter and be more easily picked off. Star Captain Henry of Clan Jade Falcon aptly demonstrated that the Clans willingness to be more … tactically flexible using these massive guns. Coming under attack from Wolf-in-Exile forces, he ordered his Star to target the underlying terrain. The ensuing rock slide caught everyone involved in the battle but helped turn the momentum against the Wolf Nova. Complementing the long range of the long tom cannon is an ER large laser and sufficient heat sinks to fire both with minimal heat issues. Should anything actually managed to get within 360 meters of the Hel B has to deal with quad medium pulse lasers as well. Finally, the cannon has been provided with fifteen rounds. To sum it up this configuration is a horrifying sight to a modern combined arms army.

The Version Delta-II targeting and tracking system also demonstrates how comfortable the Clans have become with Inner Sphere tactics in their century of occupation. The Delta-II is capable of tracking and firing on numerous targets without degradation of the accuracy of its targeting solutions. [So that was just an overly complicated in-universe description of the Multi-Track quirk] Gone is the culture that designed ‘Mechs solely with single combat and duels in mind; of course taking up the entire left side of the Hel B with a direct-fire, area effect weapon was a subtle indicator as well.

With the Loki Mk II in their respective toumen, it should be no surprise that the combined forces of Clans Jade Falcon and Hell’s Horse were able to so quickly make their terror-fueled descent into the heart of the Inner Sphere. Cavernous pod space, configurations intended to quickly crush opponents, and reasonable armor coverage culminate in a single-minded killer. The Hel certainly garners even greater fear and respect than its spiritual ancestor when the Loki first marched across the worlds of the Federated Commonwealth and Draconis Combine generations ago.
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Re: ’Mech of the Week TRO 3145 Special: Loki Mk II[ (Hel)
« Reply #1 on: 15 August 2013, 23:11:15 »
 [drool] [drool] [drool]

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Re: ’Mech of the Week TRO 3145 Special: Loki Mk II[ (Hel)
« Reply #2 on: 15 August 2013, 23:19:18 »
I absolutely adore the Hellbringer II (I absolutely refuse to call it the Hel).  Forty tons of podspace is insane, and in exactly the opposite way I describe the original Hellbringer.  The good way.  Put simply: that much podspace is as much as a Templar.  Yes, the Hellbringer II has as much podspace as an Assault 'Mech that's literally 33% and twenty tons heavier than it is.  Thanks to a Clan XL engine, I'd also say it's a sight more durable, too.

The Prime is an absolutely devastating sniper, though I too would probably rather forgo the SRM and instead load up on another ton of ammo, plus DHSs where the rest of the launcher used to go.  That's a minor quibble, and the short range deterrent is nice.  I like the B, but for some strange reason, I can't help but think I'd like it even better if it dropped the LBX down at -5 class, and then used the saved tonnage to either add a couple more heatsinks and lasers, or alternately an SSRM-6.  The Hel-B (the only time I'll ever call it that, because it makes me giggle) is a warcrime waiting to happen, and the thought of Hellbie with a Hel-B raining Hell on an enemy is probably the best mental picture I've had in weeks.
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Re: ’Mech of the Week TRO 3145 Special: Loki Mk II[ (Hel)
« Reply #3 on: 15 August 2013, 23:32:03 »
First thoughts, having not actually seen the design in question ('cause I'm poor), I'm not sure whether I can like it or not.

It's the insistence on calling it the Loki II, really. With proper armor protection and reasonable design decisions, it does not seem to be a proper successor to the Hellbringer's creeping madness. As an apostle of our dark lord of suicidal insanity, I find the comparison an affront by a Night Gyr clone that wishes it could be that Metal. In a way, the clan name of Hel only seems appropriate for a machine that could never truly measure up to such a titan of hardcore lunacy.

On the other hand, one of the configurations carries a short tom.
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Re: ’Mech of the Week TRO 3145 Special: Loki Mk II[ (Hel)
« Reply #4 on: 15 August 2013, 23:41:25 »
It's really the Hellbringer done right.  Upped armor with Ferro and the inclusion of Endo to something a bit more than "Internal Structure double bonus" levels.

Also, please keep in mind: FORTY TONS OF PODSPACE.  That's levels of insanity that the Hellbringer can only hope to reach.
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Re: ’Mech of the Week TRO 3145 Special: Loki Mk II[ (Hel)
« Reply #5 on: 15 August 2013, 23:41:52 »
hmm.. does this new mech's supplanting of the classic mean that post jihad/reavings, Clan Coyote is the last clan to use the classic Hellbringer in any numbers?  :D :D

a very interesting unit.. and i agree, 40 tons of podspace is really really scary. that Prime config is basically a Devestator.. which given the Hel is about 2/3rds the size, is terrifying..
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Re: ’Mech of the Week TRO 3145 Special: Loki Mk II[ (Hel)
« Reply #6 on: 16 August 2013, 00:05:06 »
 The Helbringer as it should have been! I will miss the speed but WOW! 40 tons of pod space. I will call it the Hel. She is a monster to be reckoned with! Thank you TPTB for this.
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Re: ’Mech of the Week TRO 3145 Special: Loki Mk II[ (Hel)
« Reply #7 on: 16 August 2013, 00:22:20 »
Intereting... Wasn't there a Loki II somewhere before? Think it had nickname Hades or somesuch...

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« Reply #8 on: 16 August 2013, 01:01:42 »
I do like this design even if I would have preferred to loose some of the pod space for a bit more armor, and the configurations run the whole range.

The Prime is ok and could be fantastic if it dropped the SSRM for more DHS and ammo, but it is fairly limited as is.

The A on the other hand is a major letdown due to its insistence on mounting the single worst weapon in the Clan arsenal, although this could be fixed easily enough by upgrading the 10-X to a real weapon like the 5-X and investing the freed weight into more short range lasers.  As is, it is really no better armed than some Timber Wolf configurations which beat it on speed and armor which makes the whole point of the new omni moot.

That said, the B is an absolute monster, especially with multi-track to split the laser and BFG at long range.  I would have configured the secondary arsenal slightly differently to give it another ton of ammo and an anti-infantry mount if I were designing it, but that is really just details because those guns are really just backup and that monster of a gun will make short work of any infantry unit caught in the blast.


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Re: ’Mech of the Week TRO 3145 Special: Loki Mk II[ (Hel)
« Reply #9 on: 16 August 2013, 01:07:32 »
Probably the only actual 'Mech in TRO 3145: Clans that I didn't care for.  If it's a Clan Heavy OmniMech that doesn't move at least 5/8, then I'm not interested.  To be honest, I didn't even notice the small cockpit the first read-through, so that little feature definitely takes it off of my "interested" list.
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Re: ’Mech of the Week TRO 3145 Special: Loki Mk II[ (Hel)
« Reply #10 on: 16 August 2013, 01:13:18 »
I love the Slowki. I call it that out of love, by the way, not contempt. At 5/8 the Hellbringer was kooky and zany and all but it didn't bring anything to the table that the Timber Wolf or Summoner couldn't at least approximate without being so easy to remove from the battlefield. At 4/6, however, the Hel has a niche. It doesn't try to compete with all the faster heavies on speed or durability. It doesn't try to compete with the Flamberge on maneuverable...hm. Well, I might have to try making a 4/6/6 Hel. It won't have the weird fixed SRMs, though! Anyway, it's just an enormous pile of guns with feet. In fact, as I've remarked before, if 'Mechs were pod-mountable the Hel could carry a pair of Gùns.

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« Reply #11 on: 16 August 2013, 02:47:35 »
It's really the Hellbringer done right.  Upped armor with Ferro and the inclusion of Endo to something a bit more than "Internal Structure double bonus" levels.

Also, please keep in mind: FORTY TONS OF PODSPACE.  That's levels of insanity that the Hellbringer can only hope to reach.

It's a wuss mech that has to hide behind wuss things like good design choices. No mech that relies on anything other mindbending suicidal insanity to get the job done has a right to the hallowed name of Hellbringer. The Hellbringer isn't numbers and stats, its a state of mind. It's a way of life.
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Re: ’Mech of the Week TRO 3145 Special: Loki Mk II[ (Hel)
« Reply #12 on: 16 August 2013, 05:25:47 »
A great review of a superb machine in a really good book! The Slowki is how its older brother should have been and its yet another sign that the clans have finally learned to not go 'disregard armour and heatsinks! Aquire guns and speed!' and use their tech efficiently and cleverly.  (I say that whilst trying to stand infront of the quadvee in the background).
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Re: ’Mech of the Week TRO 3145 Special: Loki Mk II[ (Hel)
« Reply #13 on: 16 August 2013, 06:43:02 »
I'm glad to see the Clans producing the Hel. It's a nice place to hang my Nova Cat configurations after the demise of the Cats themselves. I'm not a fan of the small cockpit in general, but I guess the quality of Clan pilots balances it out and its interesting to see the tourney legal of the future.

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Re: ’Mech of the Week TRO 3145 Special: Loki Mk II[ (Hel)
« Reply #14 on: 16 August 2013, 13:37:20 »
It's a way of life.
A pretty short one though.  ;D


So if you count in the Wolfs Blood Reaper and Tundrawolf (even though they aren't Omnis), only the Bears are now missing their own pocket assault?

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« Reply #15 on: 16 August 2013, 17:41:52 »
A pretty short one though.  ;D


So if you count in the Wolfs Blood Reaper and Tundrawolf (even though they aren't Omnis), only the Bears are now missing their own pocket assault?

Well, we did have a lot of Nova Cats kicking around from our games with the cats and a few of our standard designs might qualify, but what it really comes down to is the fact that we produce tons of very nice assaults so there is really no need for a pocket version.


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Re: ’Mech of the Week TRO 3145 Special: Loki Mk II (Hel)
« Reply #16 on: 16 August 2013, 17:50:26 »
The Slowki is a nice mech if you're on a budget. It has the firepower of bigger mechs at a lower cost.

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Re: ’Mech of the Week TRO 3145 Special: Loki Mk II (Hel)
« Reply #17 on: 16 August 2013, 18:23:27 »
Well, damn if the Horses dont suddenly have a brutal Mech corps between the Hellstar, other stuff they produce jointly with the Wolves/Exiles, and now this. 

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Re: ’Mech of the Week TRO 3145 Special: Loki Mk II (Hel)
« Reply #18 on: 16 August 2013, 19:01:21 »
I'm amazed that the Horses now have a serious Omni that hasn't had its factory captured by another Clan. I think we might just become a serious faction. And with all the firepower of a Hel Backed by Hellbringer flankers, I think I'm in for a very good time!
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Re: ’Mech of the Week TRO 3145 Special: Loki Mk II[ (Hel)
« Reply #19 on: 16 August 2013, 19:57:08 »
A pretty short one though.  ;D


So if you count in the Wolfs Blood Reaper and Tundrawolf (even though they aren't Omnis), only the Bears are now missing their own pocket assault?

You do have a pocket assault, it's called the Executioner  8)

This thing is a monster... 40 tons of pod space on a 65 ton mech???  Yeesh.  It screams for iJJ's with that much space and 4/6 ground speed.


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Re: ’Mech of the Week TRO 3145 Special: Loki Mk II (Hel)
« Reply #20 on: 16 August 2013, 21:20:40 »
Putting on six IJJs leaves you with 28 tons of podspace.  Hilariously, only half a ton less than the original Hellbringer, and half a ton more than the classic Timber Wolf.  Granted, less heatsinks and a bit less armor.

Still.  Let the shenanigans commence.
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Re: ’Mech of the Week TRO 3145 Special: Loki Mk II (Hel)
« Reply #21 on: 16 August 2013, 21:54:52 »
Amazing capacities with thing, 40 tons you could throw a medium 'mech into it if had one big storage hole.

I don't know if this would be as useful in raid, since its bit slow to get away with combat vehicles and 'Mech that usually end up doing 5/8 or better. 

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Re: ’Mech of the Week TRO 3145 Special: Loki Mk II (Hel)
« Reply #22 on: 16 August 2013, 22:53:57 »
I wonder....the last we heard, the only clan that was really interested in the Hellbringer was the Coyotes. The Coyotes used to have good ties with the Horses. Probably no way in heck.... but it amuses me slightly to think of it that way.
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Re: ’Mech of the Week TRO 3145 Special: Loki Mk II (Hel)
« Reply #23 on: 16 August 2013, 23:56:48 »
I think I'll use this as the anchor of a battle star. It looks like it can form a nice anvil, with things like Thor IIs or Gyrfalcons acting as the hammers. So long as I remember that it isn't as durable as more traditional Falcon anvils(Night Gyr, any Omni over 80 tons, etc), things should work nicely.
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Re: ’Mech of the Week TRO 3145 Special: Loki Mk II (Hel)
« Reply #24 on: 17 August 2013, 02:38:59 »
Very leery of the 182 points of armour on the 4/5 chassis. It wasn't enough on a Marauder 3R and it isn't enough here.

BV may have its limitations in balancing a battle, but it does give a good indication of the capabilities of a conventionally armed 'Mech. That none of the variants climb over 2300 while the Vulture III only has one variant under 2299 speaks volumes.

This thing is going to need as much escorting as a regular Hellbringer, with less chance of getting out of trouble.

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Re: ’Mech of the Week TRO 3145 Special: Loki Mk II (Hel)
« Reply #25 on: 17 August 2013, 12:11:54 »
Yeah. It is still rather thin skinned but will get a lot of attention which can be a dangerous combination.


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« Reply #26 on: 17 August 2013, 18:02:36 »
I can't wait to see a mini of this. I can't wait to field a mini of this.  :)
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Re: ’Mech of the Week TRO 3145 Special: Loki Mk II (Hel)
« Reply #27 on: 18 August 2013, 10:04:45 »
Putting on six IJJs leaves you with 28 tons of podspace.  Hilariously, only half a ton less than the original Hellbringer, and half a ton more than the classic Timber Wolf.  Granted, less heatsinks and a bit less armor.

Still.  Let the shenanigans commence.

I'd rather have less pod space and jump 6 with this thing.  It's armor is worrisome at 4/6.  28 tons of pod space is enough to well arm a 65 ton mech.


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Re: ’Mech of the Week TRO 3145 Special: Loki Mk II (Hel)
« Reply #28 on: 18 August 2013, 10:55:23 »
Perhaps it is just me, but I see very little reason to be concerned about the Hel's armor. Most of the locations are only a few points shy of their maximum. The legs are the only exception, being nine points from max. (In this case, I consider the front and rear center torso to be separate locations. There are a possible five more points to put on the two locations and, when divided between them, that is not very much.) So, alongside 40 tons of pod space and a largely long-range armament, I would consider this to be a well armored 'Mech that excels in the support role. And, as Scotty has pointed out, it would not be hard to throw on six IJJs and a large number of pulse lasers to turn this thing into a bouncing infighter that is sure to give the enemy kittens.

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Re: ’Mech of the Week TRO 3145 Special: Loki Mk II (Hel)
« Reply #29 on: 19 August 2013, 05:48:31 »
It is often about the attention a 'Mech will get. The Hel is a 4/6 moving 40t warload package. It is not that hard to hit, it is fairly thin skinned- so why not shoot at it? It is too dangerous to let it live and not that hard to kill.




 

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