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3145 RAF
« on: 09 January 2014, 22:11:22 »
I'm trying to work up a strike force of RAF troops for 3145. No, not the namby-palm by republic remnant - I'm thinking the hardcore types slinking out from behind the Wall to strike across the inner sphere.

Any thoughts and suggestions?
So far I'm thinking some Bola stealth tanks, Simian and Centaur BA, maybe a Uraeus?
I'm also throwing around the idea for it to be an escort force for a colossal - the strikers, scouts and patrol force for a giant tri-pod unleashed on the Republic's enemies.

Assistance is much appreciated


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Re: 3145 RAF
« Reply #1 on: 09 January 2014, 23:16:57 »
When I tried a similar idea I based the strike package around a Duat and Assault Triumph Dropships. was pretty evil combo and could carry just about everything I wanted.

 
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Re: 3145 RAF
« Reply #2 on: 09 January 2014, 23:20:43 »
When I tried a similar idea I based the strike package around a Duat and Assault Triumph Dropships. was pretty evil combo and could carry just about everything I wanted.

 

Pretty nasty combo!
But what did you fill those drop ships with?


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Re: 3145 RAF
« Reply #3 on: 10 January 2014, 09:07:58 »
Here's a company I've been playing around with. It's not as nasty as it could be, but it's a starting point.

Heavy Cavalry:
Prefect PRF-3R
Lament LMT-2R
Kheper KHP-7R
Rifleman RFL-8X

Flank-y flank flank:
Havoc HVC-P6
Blade BLD-XX
Scapha Hovertank (LB-X and LGR configurations are my staples, but the Thumper is great is you tend to come up against PBI or BA)
MHI Hawkmoth II (MML) or Gossamer VTOL

Fast Infestionation BA:
Cardinal Transport (RAF)
3x Simian Battle Armor (typically LRR)

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Re: 3145 RAF
« Reply #4 on: 10 January 2014, 09:13:56 »
No Clan gear or new Omni's?

IMO, I think you need to include a SAR element.  The Republic seemed to be big about not letting anyone know who was doing that sort of thing.
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Re: 3145 RAF
« Reply #5 on: 10 January 2014, 09:37:42 »
As I said, it's not as nasty as it could be.  O:-)

Taking the first lance if you want to make something a bit more assault-ish, it could be perfectly reasonable to upgrade to:
Doloire DLR-O
Mad Cat Mk IV
Prefect PRF-3R
Lament LMT-4RC

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Re: 3145 RAF
« Reply #6 on: 10 January 2014, 20:59:46 »
Hmmmm, some really good ideas here. The more i think about the Duat the more I think the RAF will have to continue to modify tactical doctrine to use it.
I've broken up traditional lances to take advantage of the Duat's Comstar origins and its base six carrying capacity.
What about something like:

Alpha element
PSD-V2 Poseidon

Bravo element
LMT-2R Lament
PRF-3R Prefect
KHP-7R Kheper
x2 Simian squads

Charlie element
WLF-5 Wolfhound
NSR-K1 Night Stalker
JLP-BD Jackalope
x2 Simian squads

Air-borne element:
Cardinal Transport (RAF)
x2 Centaur squads

Quick Reaction element
x1 platoon "Stone's Trackers special forces infantry"
Stealth Bola (primary config)
UBB-2R Revenant
UBM-2R3 Revenant


So the Simians use their mag claws to cling to and deploy with the two mech elements. Meanwhile the single Bola, the Cardinal and the drones are all kept in cargo along with the colossal.
I'm thinking this is a force built around the Poseidon (which is perhaps commanded by a Knight?) - the two augmented lances protect it and provide fire support, scout ahead, etc.
By combining the mechs with BA you effectively get augmented lances that have plenty of bite.
Riding in the Cardinal with its roomy 12 tonnes of space the Centuars can deploy as needed - dropping onto the high ground and raining down some BA sized fire support.

The quick reaction force is probably a misnomer - the Bola is ok speed-wise but outdistanced by the two drones. But i'd be inclined to keep this forced back as dropship and rear guard security.
If things turn to worms the Revenants can run forward and counter attack.

Meanwhile, the SF infantry can also be deployed as ground based SAR (more likely finishing off any wounded survivors and burning the bodies to make sure no one can tie the raid back to the Republic)

thoughts?




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Re: 3145 RAF
« Reply #7 on: 10 January 2014, 23:27:49 »
Hmm, the magnetic claws on the Simians allow them to get bonuses when attempting a swarm. Sadly, they don't let them be mechanize on non-OmniMechs. However, depending on the number of maps they wont get horribly separated. Heck, you enemies might be ready for a good swarming by the time the Simians catch up to the first lance.

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Re: 3145 RAF
« Reply #8 on: 10 January 2014, 23:37:39 »
Hmm, the magnetic claws on the Simians allow them to get bonuses when attempting a swarm. Sadly, they don't let them be mechanize on non-OmniMechs. However, depending on the number of maps they wont get horribly separated. Heck, you enemies might be ready for a good swarming by the time the Simians catch up to the first lance.
damn, i thought that allowed them to mount on the mechs. Hmm, am i better of mounting some APCs in the dropship? Or some VTOLs?


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Re: 3145 RAF
« Reply #9 on: 10 January 2014, 23:48:24 »
You can mount them on Omnis, just not standard 'Mechs.

That means things like the Celerity. 8)
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Re: 3145 RAF
« Reply #10 on: 11 January 2014, 00:23:14 »
You can mount them on Omnis, just not standard 'Mechs.

That means things like the Celerity. 8)

Yeah... or an Ares super-heavy....

I might actually use a couple more VTOLs and deploy all BA as an airborne unit. Or i could swap them out for some BA with mag clamps


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Re: 3145 RAF
« Reply #11 on: 11 January 2014, 07:39:02 »
That means things like the Celerity. 8)
Yes, yes it does.  ;)

Though you'd need to have a unit equipped with a drone control unit on the board. Unless all players agree that's not required. Wouldn't hurt to still have the drone suffer interference inside a hostile ECM bubble.
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Re: 3145 RAF
« Reply #12 on: 11 January 2014, 19:18:39 »
Well, the DCU is supposed to be on board the Duat.

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Re: 3145 RAF
« Reply #13 on: 11 January 2014, 20:04:59 »
[forehead smack] Yeah that would be an intelligent idea.  :-\

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Re: 3145 RAF
« Reply #14 on: 12 January 2014, 01:45:46 »
As I said, it's not as nasty as it could be.  O:-)

Taking the first lance if you want to make something a bit more assault-ish, it could be perfectly reasonable to upgrade to:
Doloire DLR-O
Mad Cat Mk IV
Prefect PRF-3R
Lament LMT-4RC

Only issue is the Mad Cat mk. IV came out AFTER the Fortress went up unless I'm mistaken (or not very soon before it did, anyway).  As such, they would be VANISHINGLY rare among the Fortress troops, but probably more common among the Remnant forces.
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Re: 3145 RAF
« Reply #15 on: 12 January 2014, 02:09:26 »
Only issue is the Mad Cat mk. IV came out AFTER the Fortress went up unless I'm mistaken (or not very soon before it did, anyway).  As such, they would be VANISHINGLY rare among the Fortress troops, but probably more common among the Remnant forces.

Yeah, and while that lance was a nice one I'm avoiding the Doliore because I'm also building a Remnant force built around one. I don't want them to be too similar


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Re: 3145 RAF
« Reply #16 on: 12 January 2014, 06:30:13 »
Perhaps the solution then is to set different goals for each unit.

Honestly, I see the Remnant as 'Stand and Deliver' using heavies and assaults moving 4/6.  It lets them bring the firepower and armor to stand up to Crusader Wolf attacks even if they are slower- and since they would most likely be on the defensive they will not be getting in cavalry skirmishes.  Which is not to say they would not have some fast/jumpy lights or mediums on hand, it is just they need to hold the line.  I would expect lots of heavy tracked armor with long to mid range firepower, again to hold the line.  Light mech roles such as scouting, recon and observation would better be handled by infantry, BA, light vehicles and VTOLs which are not as limited when the Remnant is in a defensive role.

The Fortress Republic however should be more of a cavalry force.  They are not going to be out in massive force against the rest of the IS, so being able to get in and get out are more critical.  They can dodge heavier forces they may not be able to outgun and thus run strategic circles around defenders as they strike targets.  I would say this would be more exhibited on the Crusader Wolf and Capellan fronts as I feel the cavalry tactics and commanders who excel at them should be on those fronts.  Slower forces should be adequate for the Dracs, FedSuns (if being struck at all due to Alliance), reformed League, Falcons, Bears and perhaps Lyrans.  This formation IMO would have crack mobile BA units assigned, perhaps specially trained (and thus fluffed) for seizing/clearing buildings and perhaps field expedient demolitions.  It all depends on what you think the Fortress forces have been doing on the raids.

With that said, I would not mind seeming some Fortress vs Liao combats . . . the RAF on that border seem to have a very large hate on and it would be interesting to see whose equipment lets it play hide & seek better.
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Re: 3145 RAF
« Reply #17 on: 12 January 2014, 17:10:39 »
Fortress v Liao gets a few mentions in TRO: RAF. They've hit a handful of former Republic worlds like Zurich, etc.
What would you recommend against the CapCon? What kind of force would you throw at them?


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Re: 3145 RAF
« Reply #18 on: 12 January 2014, 19:08:00 »
Perhaps I was not clear, sorry, I think all the Fortress raiding forces should be cavalry.  Even knowing the superheavies made a debut as part of those raiding forces I think they should be the exception as they would be hitting hardened stationary targets.  But the Republic would only have so many 5/8 heavies or Clan mechs to go around, which is why I said the Crusader Wolf and Capellan fronts would get the best in that regard.

I suppose it depends on how many frontline Capellan units are shifted to the FedSuns front while new and secondline units take up garrison.  Another interesting thing would be to see if we get a redo with MAF units fighting for/with Capellans due to their alliance.  Perhaps even Anduriens.
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Re: 3145 RAF
« Reply #19 on: 12 January 2014, 19:14:18 »
I imagine they'd be shifting as many MAF and Andurian units as they could to the "safer" Republic border, freeing up front line troops for the Davion fight.
Depends on how much you're willing to trust that nothing is going to come from beyond the Wall.

Hmm, I figure cavalry mechs can screen and scout for a collossal.
How fast do you think heavy cav needs to be?


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Re: 3145 RAF
« Reply #20 on: 12 January 2014, 19:29:53 »
Well, unless I missed something no Alliance units have participated in the Capellan aggression.

Heavy cav is epitomized by the Timberwolf and Gargoyle . . . so 5/8 or faster for lighter designs.
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Re: 3145 RAF
« Reply #21 on: 12 January 2014, 19:38:51 »
So that Khepher, Lament, etc lance I posted earlier works pretty well then?


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