The Rasalhague Dominion: Friend of a Friend (but not your Friend)

[Jellico]

1 is ancient and everywhere. Unseen.

2 and 3 are left overs from fighting Adders. Reseen

3 and 7 are GK&T. Reseen

5 and 6 should be Falcon. Unseen? What was the art in Milspec?

8 is ancient video game so left overs should be available or modified from 1s. Unseen

What does the MUL say?

[Zeruel]

What does the MUL say?

as of the Dark Ages, the factions that have access to the Mad IIC are:
Mad IIC - Falcon, Bear
IIC 2 - Falcon, Bear
IIC 3 - Falcon, Bear
IIC 6 - Falcon, Wolf
IIC 7 - Bear
IIC 8 - Falcon, Bear
IIC 9 - new in RecGuide 6, presumably Falcon only for now
IIC 10 - new in RecGuide 6, presumably Falcon only for now

in their write-ups, the IIC 2 & 3 are Adder creations, 6 by the Falcons, 7 the Bears, according to the RecGuides 8 and 9 are ancient variants reintroduced by the Falcons, and 10 is new by the Falcons (and of course the original is anyone's guess, created pre-Invasion)

[Zeruel]

Furthermore...

1 is ancient and everywhere. Unseen.

Not everywhere, according to the MUL, only Bears and Falcons

2 and 3 are left overs from fighting Adders. Reseen

I don't recall the Bears fighting the Adders too much, but maybe I'm just forgetting

3 and 7 are GK&T. Reseen

I think you mean 4 and 7, well it seems the 4 is no longer produced by the Dark Ages

[Kerfuffin(925)]

It says bears can produce their own variant and the Phoenix models, would the 9 be considered a Phoenix model, like the 8 (I think that’s right)?

[Zeruel]

Since 9 and 10 were just introduced in RecGuide 6, with the new (updated old) art, I would say it's not a Phoenix model

Again, my question is though, since when can the Bears produce all the Phoenix models?

[Kerfuffin(925)]

Since 9 and 10 were just introduced in RecGuide 6, with the new (updated old) art, I would say it's not a Phoenix model

Again, my question is though, since when can the Bears produce all the Phoenix models?

Maybe I misinterpreted what it says, “... joining the Rasalhague Dominion’s “Phoenix” models as the formidable core of many Clan assault formations.”

It’s at the very bottom of the first Paragraph in the write up.

Maybe it just means the 4 and 7 not every Phoenix model? The plural ‘model’ threw me.

[Zeruel]

Maybe I misinterpreted what it says, “... joining the Rasalhague Dominion’s “Phoenix” models as the formidable core of many Clan assault formations.”

Maybe it just means the 4 and 7 not every Phoenix model? The plural ‘model’ threw me.

Ok, so going back to my initial post, according to the MUL, the Bears have access to every Mad IIC model except the 6 (the 4 and 5 are not listed as available to anyone by the Dark Ages, so this probably means no they are no longer produced and none survive, or survive in such small quantities so as to be irrelevant)

The Bears had access to the original Mad IIC along with all the other Clans, but by the Dark Ages, only the Falcons and Bears still have it (producing? Just ancient relics?)

As for the remaining variants, the Bears only ever were said to produce the 4 and 7, and the rest being Adder or Falcon in origin...

I don't recall any major Trials between the Bears and Adders or Falcons that they would gain enough Mad IIC 2s, 3s and 8s to be a primary user of them in the Dark Ages

And as pointed out, RecGuide 6 says the Bears can produce the Phoenix models...so since when? How? Trade with the Falcons and Adders?

[MarikMilitaMan]

Maybe they bought the design specs from the Foxes?

[Kerfuffin(925)]

Maybe they bought the design specs from the Foxes?

Still need a place to build it.

There are a couple options of where,
New Oslo has a Bergan factory as well as old Wolf/HH facilities (although it could have disappeared since it was acquired in Ronin Wars), Throndheim has a vehicle factory that we might have kept and upgraded or expanded when the local Sea Foxes left to go screw off with the Davions, rebuilt facilities on Giotto or Thule (Thule was supposed to have a massive complex before it was destroyed), or an expansion of the lines on Satalice (the factory originally had 3 lines, so one was not in use).

The last decent factory list Clans have had was in 3085, so 70 years is a long time for things to change.

[Zeruel]

Maybe they bought the design specs from the Foxes?

the Foxes don't have access to the design, not according to the MUL anyway

[Kitsune413]

I think most clans have the specs to create old IIC model mechs, the same way that everybody was making all of those old school mechs during the Jihad. Periphery nations were like, "Why don't we make Wolverines?"

All those old Star League mechs don't need to be reverse engineered the way a proprietary mech might need to be. Honestly, they're probably the type of mechs the people who design mechs are educated on in training.

That being said, if someone makes it, you can typically get it from the Sea Foxes. We're good at trading.

[Zeruel]

I was going to say the MUL should say the Foxes have access to the design if it's something they can trade, but then I thought about how the Bears must still be able to produce the Mad IIC 4 (as an example) if they really want to, they just don't, and yet the Mad IIC 4 is not on any faction list in the Dark Ages...

so what does this mean really? does the MUL only reflect what 'Mechs certain factions actually use in that time frame, and not necessarily what they have the ability to produce should they desire?

[BigDuke66]

so what does this mean really? does the MUL only reflect what 'Mechs certain factions actually use in that time frame, and not necessarily what they have the ability to produce should they desire?

Was the MUL ever meant to depict current production?
Afaik it is more or less an inventory summary. Mechs listed for us can be used by us because we have them in sufficient numbers, from what sources doesn't seem relevant.

[Kerfuffin(925)]

Was the MUL ever meant to depict current production?
Afaik it is more or less an inventory summary. Mechs listed for us can be used by us because we have them in sufficient numbers, from what sources doesn't seem relevant.

As far as I can tell that’s correct. It’s meant for a more solid view (than RATs certainly) of what a faction can field in a given time with some regularity. I do wish it had a option or even a marking denoting a home grown variant tho.

[Rainbow 6]

As far as I can tell that’s correct. It’s meant for a more solid view (than RATs certainly) of what a faction can field in a given time with some regularity. I do wish it had a option or even a marking denoting a home grown variant tho.

That would be a useful addition to the MUL.

[Kerfuffin(925)]

That would be a useful addition to the MUL.

I almost purely mess around with the mobile version so I could never tell what the Star next to the name meant. I thought it was home produced version, cause when I looked at the Karhu it was always there. Then I saw it was just for TRO:3085, which is really old now. Probably an artifact left over from when that was the newest thing.

[Rainbow 6]

I almost purely mess around with the mobile version so I could never tell what the Star next to the name meant. I thought it was home produced version, cause when I looked at the Karhu it was always there. Then I saw it was just for TRO:3085, which is really old now. Probably an artifact left over from when that was the newest thing.

I think its there to show the primary model, the others introduced in the same TRO don't have it.

[truetanker]

Who said you can't make a 4? After all, it's a variant that as long as the plans are still readable, IE: still in the computer, you should be able to make it. Sure it a one off, but Star Colonel Bob is ristar and he got permission to command it.

TT

[BlCharger]

Been a while since I posted, but still love the Ghost Bears.

I just received my Wave 1 shipment on Sunday and opened up all my salvage packs. Much to my delight, I got 3 Executioners. As I like to say, you can never have enough Executioners.

Now I can equip the Ghost Bear Supernova I'm building with an entire star of Executioners. I am a happy man today. I might just go ahead and move the Kodiak and Kingfisher into the Bravo Nova now, joining 2x Mad Dog and a Stormcrow.

Charlie Nova is now 2 Viper, 2 Fire Moth, and a Mist Lynx. Though, I admit, it is tempted to reopen the PM and get a 3rd Fire Moth. I love those little guys.

[Foxx Ital]

My clan take away from the first wave!

So for me I came away with:
Ice Ferret: x3
Viper: x3
Mad dog: x3
Hellbringer: x3
Gargoyle: x4
Nova: x4
Timberwolf: x3
Summoner: x2
Direwolf: x2
Koshi: x1
Stormcrow: x1
Shadowcat: x1
Executioner: x2
Adder: x2
Mongrel: x2

 Now to decide how I want to group them!!

[truetanker]

Salvage pile? Isola bait?

:)

TT

[Tyler Jorgensson]

I’ll post mine later today but I know I have 35 more Elementals to add :)

[Foxx Ital]

I’ll post mine later today but I know I have 35 more Elementals to add :)

Stars or points? Either way that's a lot of toad!! I plan on buying some elementals either through flgs or second wave.

[rebs]

@Foxx -  Are any of those Timberwolves Legendary?

[Tyler Jorgensson]

Stars or points? Either way that's a lot of toad!! I plan on buying some elementals either through flgs or second wave.

35x total One Star. Two Points. About to open the rest :D

[Foxx Ital]

@Foxx -  Are any of those Timberwolves Legendary?

 Just one. But aren't all ghost bear Timberwolves legendary?;)

35x total One Star. Two Points. About to open the rest :D

 I was about to be excited for the rebirth of Zeta galaxy.

[Tyler Jorgensson]

Just one. But aren't all ghost bear Timberwolves legendary?;)

 I was about to be excited for the rebirth of Zeta galaxy.

I mean..... I have three full Trinaries now including an Undine and Rogue Bear Star....

My salvage included a Nova, Mist Lynx, and Adder to pair along with my Invasion box (Executioner, Timber Wolf, Nova, Adder, and Grendel).

I also ordered (IIRC) a Clan Fire Star and Heavy Battle Star.

All in total my Ghost Bear force will comprise of 17 Stars of Mechs, one of Vehicles, and 9 of Battle Armor split into two Clusters with Command Stars/Novas. Assembling, Basing, and Painting are actually currently in progress.

And just in case that isn’t enough I’ve got a Wolverine Trinary and an Inner Sphere Regiment (bolstered with four new UrbanMechs ;) )

[truetanker]

May you unit, ( Regiment ) be all Liao!

TT

[Tyler Jorgensson]

May you unit, ( Regiment ) be all Liao!

TT

Full Merc: I have various units that could function as independent House Companies (IE the Fourth Ed. Three Dragon, Three QuickDraw, Three Panther, Three Jenner Company lol)

[Foxx Ital]

May you unit, ( Regiment ) be all Liao!

TT

 It was on the day star captain Rutger got his star of hueys that he finally understood what it ment to let your inner liao free.