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Re: Idea for a business: Bar and wargamming venue?
« Reply #30 on: 09 January 2016, 09:45:27 »
It is certainly something to consider. For a while I was discussing with my neighbor about opening a coffee shop, but the details make for a tighter business. Coffee shops need to make something like 2 and 1/2 sales person to stay profitable.

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Re: Idea for a business: Bar and wargamming venue?
« Reply #31 on: 09 January 2016, 11:36:02 »
Gamers + caffeine + sugar generally equals profit, right? ::)

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Re: Idea for a business: Bar and wargamming venue?
« Reply #32 on: 09 January 2016, 17:21:46 »
I'm currently living in Joliet, IL. It's one of those towns that has gorgeous architecture in an empty downtown.

Couple of issues to research:

1.  Old abandoned downtown areas can fairly easily get gentrification grants to revive them.  Check and see what the status for an gentrification/renewal programs for any area you are considering renting in.  Few things suck worse than busting your hump to make a business work and then have gentrification sweep through and the landlord raise your rent past the point of viability.

2.   In the US, the term energy efficient older structure is usually oxymoronic.  If you can, have the real estate agent furnish copies of the utility bills for the space you are looking at.  Where I used to live, old medium-sized grocery store spaces were available for what you'd pay for rent on a modern 600 sf retail space and the reason that was because it cost thousands of dollars a month for climate control in a space that large that has no appreciable insulation and plenty of large single pane display windows to let heat in during the summer and out during the winter.

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Re: Idea for a business: Bar and wargamming venue?
« Reply #33 on: 09 January 2016, 19:58:26 »
I've seen a couple attempts but gamers don't always spend money at the game store. So money might not come in like it should
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Re: Idea for a business: Bar and wargamming venue?
« Reply #34 on: 02 April 2016, 18:48:07 »
So this might be actually happening.

A bit more background: I live in Joliet, IL within the historical Cathedral area. My neighbor and I are pitching our board game cafe to the Cathedral Area Preservation Association (CAPA) on Monday to get a feel for what they want. We both want the cafe within walking distance of us and within the Cathedral area. Sometime in the 1970s a lot of the old Victorian and other large homes were being broken down into multi-family rentals. CAPA formed to stop that and preserve the area. So the good news is that if I can convince them, what they say usually goes as far as the city is concerned.

Problems include finding the right building. Ideally a commercial building, but a residential can work as well -- as long as we get the zoning variance. Another issue would be parking and whether someone in the area would not be okay with a (hopefully) busy business next to them.

But those whom we have talked to generally feel positive about it.

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Re: Idea for a business: Bar and wargamming venue?
« Reply #35 on: 03 April 2016, 08:50:55 »
A board game cafe, that's great idea. A mix of mainstream board games and indies ones? ;)
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Re: Idea for a business: Bar and wargamming venue?
« Reply #36 on: 03 April 2016, 09:37:29 »
That's the plan! A fair amount of Catalyst's casual offering would definitely have a space on the shelf.

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Re: Idea for a business: Bar and wargamming venue?
« Reply #37 on: 03 April 2016, 10:24:50 »
I don't drink beer myself, but from my friends that do the alcohol-free ones taste good nowadays. How about a bar with only non-alcoholic drinks?

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Re: Idea for a business: Bar and wargamming venue?
« Reply #38 on: 03 April 2016, 11:41:45 »
That's where we are going as of right now. If we get approval, we hope to include bakeries and coffee roasters from around the region.

Beer might be in the future, but probably in bottles rather than on draught.

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Re: Idea for a business: Bar and wargamming venue?
« Reply #39 on: 03 April 2016, 23:58:34 »
Personally, I think a coffee/tea bar, to start with, is a safer bet. You sidestep a lot of headaches you don't need to start out. Down the road, you could look into a liquor licence, and maybe sell it during limited hours --- say 9pm to close on school nights (Especially if there's some sort of rule that all school-age kids can't be in the store after 9pm)

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Re: Idea for a business: Bar and wargamming venue?
« Reply #40 on: 04 April 2016, 03:38:08 »
I think it would be nice to go to a bar where Wargamming and general gaming stuff is going on.
A nice place for the geeks to hang out and enjoy with other geeks.
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Re: Idea for a business: Bar and wargamming venue?
« Reply #41 on: 06 April 2016, 07:42:21 »
The good news is that the meeting in front of the CAPA board went very well. Everyone seemed good with the decision with several members exclaiming excitement about it.

The only problem now is finding a location. That will be trickier than I would like to admit.

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Re: Idea for a business: Bar and wargamming venue?
« Reply #42 on: 06 April 2016, 11:37:33 »
The good news is that the meeting in front of the CAPA board went very well. Everyone seemed good with the decision with several members exclaiming excitement about it.

The only problem now is finding a location. That will be trickier than I would like to admit.
It also mean scoping the location for several days or so to see how the traffic's like. As in people, not cars ;p . Being close to a bus or other transportation stop is also a benefit.
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Re: Idea for a business: Bar and wargamming venue?
« Reply #43 on: 06 April 2016, 14:39:55 »
I think that besides your marketing analysis of the area, I recommend contacting people to find out what you're in for.

They've already been mentioned, but do talk to these guys: http://www.afktavern.com/

They're a different focus than what you're going for (they're a restaurant with board games and video game consoles), but I believe they have a liquor license. Getting a feel for what a geek and gaming clientele needs and wants will make them worth talking to. Maybe you need to go more upscale or less upscale than AFK. Maybe the layout needs to be very different because you're not focused as a restaurant. Get input from them anyhow and come to your own conclusions.
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Re: Idea for a business: Bar and wargamming venue?
« Reply #44 on: 06 April 2016, 16:22:35 »
If I may add a few thoughts of my own, as a veteran of both game stores and bars:

> Non-alcoholic is almost certainly the way to start. Illinois liquor laws are an absolute nightmare, and the business insurance for bars is likewise insane. You might be able to swing a "BYOB" license without drastically increasing your overhead, but...
> If there is alcohol, you will have problems with customers. You may be picturing a bunch of good-natured gamers having a couple of adult beverages as they play, and that's true for most cases, but you will have the occasional person who imbibes too much. Be prepared to handle belligerence or sickness. In other words, hire bouncers. They can clean and stock when there's not any problems, they can check IDs to save time at the counter, but mostly they're your eyes on the ground.
> Don't collect up a bunch of rare games and put them out for play. Pieces (and entire games) will get lost or stolen. Keep extra copies on-hand for spare parts, or concentrate on games that use generic pieces. You can get "meeples" wholesale for pennies each. If you're looking into BattleTech, track down a few copies of older editions with the cardboard stand-ups.
> Similarly, if you do decide to have nice miniatures on display, make sure the cases are locked. Gamers can be just awful.
> Get a good photocopier (preferably one that can also act as a printer) and keep it in good condition, with plenty of paper. Make sure your staff know how to operate, refill, and do basic repairs (clear paper jams, mostly) on it. Don't be stingy, either: it's overhead. Just make sure customers know that printing a few record sheets for a game is fine, but it's not there to print entire books.
> Don't just advertise to the "norms." Reach out to different gaming communities and invite them in. You're already doing this with the BattleTech folks. Do the same with those who play Pathfinder, the FFG games, Steve Jackson Games, TSR/Hasbro, etc. Most of these companies have demo teams and game finders, so invite them in. Hook up the agents while they're working; after all, if they're happy and relaxed, they're going to be better with your customers, which is good for both of you.
> Don't try to be a full game store, but do offer minor items for sale. I highly recommend stocking dice, at least basic Chessex bundles, and superglue. Pencils can be sold or given away as advertisement (and for the love of Cat, provide pencil sharpeners - something a lot of places forget).

Most of all:

> Do NOT suffer bad customers. This is endemic in the hobby shop industry. You want a wide variety of people in your business, and to do so you want to present the hobby as viable for the mainstream. The most common, specific complaint about hobby shops from the mainstream is that someone in the store made them uncomfortable. Much as we hate to admit it, we all know who they're talking about. Sometimes it's even a friend of ours. Don't let them scuttle your business. If they're a friend, make clear that you're running a business and that it's not somewhere they can hang out all day. If they're not a friend, get them out the door. You want to stand above the "average" gamer joint. One place I worked at even had staff meetings where we'd discuss regular customers, going so far as to review security camera footage to see if they were bothering "walk-in" customers.

These are just my thoughts from an employee level, so feel free to take or leave them (except the bad customer bit, seriously, you don't want those guys around). I'm in Chicago, so I'd really like to see you guys succeed. Best of luck!
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Re: Idea for a business: Bar and wargamming venue?
« Reply #45 on: 08 April 2016, 02:51:09 »
That's a big one. At the very least, you're cutting out an ENORMOUS bit of revenue in terms of game sales and other merchandise due to this. Yes, you make money on alcohol sales, but take the beers and such you sell and weigh it against how much you lose from not having gamers under the drinking age allowed in. At the least, keep the sales area of the store booze-free, but that's something to seriously consider- I suspect it's one of the key reasons places like this aren't common.

Another consideration- and I speak about this as a former bartender- is that booze can be a problem for some people. A lot of people handle alcohol by being cheerful, drinking responsibly, etc... and some do, ah, not that. Are you ready for people who have too much and stumble onto a table full of miniatures, breaking them? Booze-fueled rules lawyer fights? Security to remove problems? This isn't anything to take lightly- after watching football fans fight over something happening on a screen that they have no control over, having gamers fight over rules and such is potentially a huge problem.

I love the idea though, and I really wish there was something like that near me.

As someone that has had an individual swing at me during a game of Alphastrike back in November because the person was a bag full of mental issues and snapped over nothing, I would suggest that you consider the cost of security. I also remember seeing at another game shop, years ago, 40k players screaming and throwing books at each other. I would like to remind you that "older" does not equal "mature".

I do not know what it is like in your area, but it seems that out here in California that most shops close early, 8-9pm on the weekends. They may close at those hours but many times there are few people in the shops past 6pm. While I wouldn't mind a public gaming place that was open later then that I am left to wonder just how likely others would. I also don't care to drink to early.

It sounds like it would be a fun place, but it would require the right customers, the right amount of security, and the right hours of operation. If it is a pet project then I suppose if you just break even then you wouldn't need to worry about turning a profit. Unfortunately, this reminds me of the Gamewerks theory, which was supposed to be what a bunch of gamers would make as their version of a night club/bar. Sadly the theory gave way to making it an over priced chuck e cheese without the pizza and zero rotation of games, and lacking upkeep of what they still have that is always damaged by the kids running loose.

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