Author Topic: Errata Discussion Thread - Questions HERE, not in Errata Threads (Read 313283 times)

Xotl · « **Reply #1020 on:** 03 December 2020, 15:40:26 »

Big errata day outside the usual 6 June, as we ready a bunch of books for reprinting.

TW errata updates to follow shortly.

jasonf · « **Reply #1021 on:** 05 December 2020, 18:52:46 »

I wanted to post these here first since I wasn't sure if they were errata or excluded on purpose. The following are Mechs llisted as available in the MUL faction lists (and fairly common-ish), but not in the Tukayyid Supplement lists. Just let me know if any of these should be added to the errata thread.

Battle of Tukayyid Supplemental, PDF

p. 10, Heavy Mechs:
Add EXT-4D Exterminator

p. 11, Assault Mechs:
Add THG-11E Thug
Add HGN-732 Highlander
(only royals are included)

p.12, Medium Mechs:
Add VL-2T Vulcan

p.13, Heavy Mechs:
Add QKD-4H Quickdraw
Add GHR-5H Grasshopper
Add GHR-5J Grasshopper (a field refit in TROs)
Add GLT-3N Guillotine

p.13, Assault Mechs:
Add LGB-7Q Longbow

Also, the following are included in the main Tukayyid book's Clan 2nd-line Heavy Mechs (p. 30), but not in the Supplement's Clan 2nd-line Heavy Mechs (p.10):
Crossbow Prime
Mad Dog C
Summoner Prime

truetanker · « **Reply #1022 on:** 01 January 2021, 00:21:12 »

I have notice that the Kokou and Kokou XL currently does not have a Alpha Strike PV listing.

Am I jumping the gun or is this currently, unavailable but forth coming, or just an oopsie?

Thank you MUL team!

Happy Holidays,
Truetanker

GreekFire · « **Reply #1023 on:** 01 January 2021, 00:24:39 »

Quote from: truetanker on 01 January 2021, 00:21:12

I have notice that the Kokou and Kokou XL currently does not have a Alpha Strike PV listing.

Am I jumping the gun or is this currently, unavailable but forth coming, or just an oopsie?

Currently unavailable, but on the to-do list.

truetanker · « **Reply #1024 on:** 01 January 2021, 00:26:16 »

Quote from: GreekFire on 01 January 2021, 00:24:39

Currently unavailable, but on the to-do list.

:thumbsup:

Cool beans...

TT

GoldBishop · « **Reply #1025 on:** 09 January 2021, 00:26:35 »

Ran into an issue regarding the "Bandit (C)" specifically the G configuration and haven't been able to find an answer.

https://bg.battletech.com/forums/errata/record-sheets-3058-unabridged/msg132462/#msg132462
Unit source: RS3058_Upgrade_Unabridged_InnerSphere p.108

I did uncover the decade-old "Pending errata" (link) but have been unable to locate the actual resolution.

Originally attempted to play the version online (via MegaMek) but the unit was unavailable for deployment due to being "invalid construction" ...I then decided to dive into the attached MekLab as well as my TechManual to verify/validate, and was able to confirm that the unit has 2 Items too many (17 of 15) disallowing it from Tabletop play as well.

After tinkering around in the lab, I do have a working solution ...but since my local guys prefer having "official" stuff and not customs, is there an official "fix" for this particular unit?

Tinyozora · « **Reply #1026 on:** 24 January 2021, 22:22:10 »

Pg. 12 Battle of Tukayyid Supplemental

Medium Mechs.
Is the duplicate Centurion CN9-A listed between the Wyvern WVE-9N and Crab CBR-27, supposed to be a Crab CBR-20?

Empyrus · « **Reply #1027 on:** 08 February 2021, 05:22:49 »

A TAG question, not sure if errata, a rule question, inability to find info or what, so asking here.

TAG use happens at the end of movement phase. But since it is before and separate from weapon attacks, this implies torso twists happen afterwards, right? (Meaning one should pay attention to facing if intending to use TAG.)
Is this actually said anywhere explicitly? Couldn't find anything in BMM or Total Warfare.

Xotl · « **Reply #1028 on:** 08 February 2021, 11:18:41 »

TAG happens at the close of the Movement Phase. Torso twisting happens in the Weapon Attack Phase that follows, and twisted torsos return to their standard position during the End Phase.

So yes, proper facing is essential as you'll never be able to take into account torso twisting to aim TAG.

Empyrus · « **Reply #1029 on:** 08 February 2021, 11:31:54 »

Makes sense, makes sense. Might a good addition for the BMM FAQ section if it gets updated some day, me thinks.

Sartris · « **Reply #1030 on:** 08 February 2021, 11:42:26 »

oh dang. i'll add that to the list of stuff i've been doing wrong since 1996

Empyrus · « **Reply #1031 on:** 08 February 2021, 11:50:30 »

Think i'll need to start asking questions just about everything, just to make sure i read stuff right. And even if it doesn't benefit me, there's probably someone who does benefit :P

Daryk · « **Reply #1032 on:** 08 February 2021, 18:24:07 »

Arm mounted TAG suddenly makes a LOT of sense...

Empyrus · « **Reply #1033 on:** 10 February 2021, 08:12:50 »

Okay, new weirdness, concerns multiple products. Some instances are reported as errata in relevant threads but the issue overall remains.

The Gargoyle's ferro-fibrous placement.

TRO3050U and Clan Invasion show one FF slot per arm, empty legs.
RS3050Uu all Gargoyle configurations shows one FF per leg, empty arms. It also replaces the Gargoyle C's extra A-pod with an ER Small Laser and MUL BV for it is based on the RS3050Uu version.

Battle of Tukayyid Supplemental follows RS3050Uu placement, except in the case of Gargoyle-C which follows the TRO version.
RecGuide 11 Gargoyle Record Sheets follow TRO placement.
RS3145NTNU Gargoyle T follows TRO placement.

I don't have RS Clan Invasion so i'm not sure how it shows the Gargoyle.
Based on some digging, TRO3050U/Clan Invasion ferro-fibrous placement is the original arrangement (like it was in the original TRO3050), and RS3050Uu changed that for some reason.

EDIT err, yes, the question is: Which one is right? So that stuff can be reported in specific threads accurately.

GreekFire · « **Reply #1034 on:** 10 February 2021, 09:12:16 »

Quote from: Empyrus on 10 February 2021, 08:12:50

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That is strange. I actually issued errata on Tukayyid's Gargoyle C based off of 3050u's sheets, but you're right--the sheets don't line up with the TRO itself. Some of the configs, like the E, had their crits extensively changed between the TRO and the sheets.

It looks like errata was posted in the RS:3050u thread regarding the Gargoyle. The Tukayyid sheets were build off of the 3050u ones, and it looks like the errata was missed when we made them. I'll confirm the errata is accurate, but it looks like the TRO entry layout/RecGuide12 is correct.

Empyrus · « **Reply #1035 on:** 10 February 2021, 09:25:44 »

Quote from: GreekFire on 10 February 2021, 09:12:16

I'll confirm the errata is accurate, but it looks like the TRO entry layout/RecGuide12 should be correct.

Which one? The one about ER Small laser instead of A-pod? (Which is a fortunate improvement.)

Didn't even realize the E configuration was affected, didn't check individual configurations in TROs, just the base chassis.

GreekFire · « **Reply #1036 on:** 10 February 2021, 09:29:19 »

Quote from: Empyrus on 10 February 2021, 09:25:44

Which one? The one about ER Small laser instead of A-pod? (Which is a fortunate improvement.)

Yeah, exactly that. I spotted it after the fact and thought it was an error...turns out it's the only sheet that was correct. Hah!
So yeah, the RecGuide layout is the correct one. I've altered Gargoyle errata for Tuk:Sup accordingly. Great catch!

Empyrus · « **Reply #1037 on:** 10 February 2021, 09:40:07 »

Means RS3050Uu-C (and probably RSCI) need errata reports about the E configuration then, to make it match the TRO description.
EDIT Wait, that's done. Though the same errata suggests the triple A-pods for the C.
EDIT2 Argh, wait, which one is the right one? Triple A-pods or ERSL?

And i need to rebuild the entire 'Mech in SSW xp

GreekFire · « **Reply #1038 on:** 10 February 2021, 10:41:10 »

Quote from: Empyrus on 10 February 2021, 09:40:07

EDIT2 Argh, wait, which one is the right one? Triple A-pods or ERSL?

Triple A-pods.

Empyrus · « **Reply #1039 on:** 10 February 2021, 10:43:27 »

Thanks, that's what i figured but managed to confuse myself.

That means http://masterunitlist.info/Unit/Details/2004/man-o-war-gargoyle-c needs to BV trimming to 2417.

Alfaryn · « **Reply #1040 on:** 20 February 2021, 20:40:54 »

There appears to be an error in the recently published free "Force Pack Record Sheets" pdf. I post it here, since I don't see an errata thread dedicated to this product.

The problem is that in the rear armor diagrams of all 'Mechs in thew pdf the central section is labeled as "Center Torso" instead of "Center Torso Rear".

Also, are the years (2019) in the copyright notices at the bottoms of the sheets correct?

S.gage · « **Reply #1041 on:** 08 March 2021, 16:15:04 »

ilClan Recognition Guide, Volume 11

Horned Owl (Peregrine), p. 6

This is not necessarily errata, it is possibly just a clarification. Variants, 2nd paragraph, 1st sentence begins, "Based on an ancient prototype which drops the jump jets for armor and a targeting computer, ..."

"An ancient prototype" is open to a little interpretation. Since there is no date, we do not know if this was the prototype of the Horned Owl (Standard) which presumably began testing before 2835 (MUL), or a subsequent variant. My question is, does this prototype predate Clan Mongoose's standard Clan-spec targeting computer, which itself prototypes to 2850 and is "common" by 2860 (IO, p. 41)?

Even if the prototype mentioned in this passage predates the targeting computer, this still might not be errata, considering there could have been heretofore unpublished prototype targeting computers.

Thanks for the clarification!

S.gage

Weirdo · « **Reply #1042 on:** 12 March 2021, 09:17:30 »

Could we get a thread for StratOps Third Printing, please? I need to make a submission for that.

Thanks!

Xotl · « **Reply #1043 on:** 12 March 2021, 14:55:04 »

New SO and CO threads opened.

monbvol · « **Reply #1044 on:** 20 March 2021, 18:26:35 »

Okay seems I need to actually either modify or redact an errata entry I put forward some time ago because it doesn't actually work with another errata that I'm reasonably certain wasn't incorporated in the pdf I had at the time.

Errata I need to modify/redact is here.

I do have a little more involved methodology to make it work but I'd like to see if I can make it a little simpler.

I think I'll make a dedicated thread for it else where to see what kind of help I can get from the relevant brain trusts.

For now the question is should I just flag down a mod to delete the relevant post or just make a modification to the post?

monbvol · « **Reply #1045 on:** 21 March 2021, 10:17:38 »

Okay the fix is a lot simpler than I thought to make it work.

I was making a procedural error it turns out but there are two notes I probably should add.

Heavy/Mech scale Weapons should be treated as Energy Weapons for reload factor and should be treated as single fire weapons, burst of 0 until Herb's errata is accepted revert to 1 when it is.

Xotl · « **Reply #1046 on:** 23 April 2021, 19:11:52 »

I've updated the website errata page with thumbnails of the various rulebook printings, so that people can have some hint as to what printing they have besides the copyright statements. The images are small, but they still show the main changes.

WarrenLocke · « **Reply #1047 on:** 23 April 2021, 20:22:02 »

The Errata document for the Battlemech Manual has a major change to the Targeting Computer rules on p114 since version 3 - however, I have a corrected Third Printing of the manual and it still has the original, pre-errata text. Moreover I just ordered and downloaded the pdf for the new 4th printing, and the Targeting Computer text is still uncorrected. I'm guessing that the physical fourth printing will also still be unchanged.

Xotl · « **Reply #1048 on:** 23 April 2021, 20:48:27 »

Damn. Sometimes stuff gets lost during the updating process; this is certainly one such case. I'll update the errata document to reflect this. Thanks for the catch.

mvp7 · « **Reply #1049 on:** 27 April 2021, 09:30:17 »

There seems to be some weird mismatches in the BattleMech Manual quirks list errata and the physical 3rd printing (2020 copyright, "corrected third printing", Marauder cover).

If I have understood the errata document correctly, the BMM BattleMech Quirk Table errata fixes 1-6, 11 and 12 should have been fixed in 2nd printing with fix 10 added in 3rd printing. In the book the fix 1 is there (Anubis, add exposed actuators) but 2 is not (Battle Hawk, remove bad reputation). Fix 3 is there (Battle Master, remove jettison capable weapon, add weak head armor) but fix 10 (Phoenix Hawk, remove Jettison-Capable Weapon, add Command ’Mech) which is specifically marked in the errata document as a 2nd-to-3rd edition fix, is not there. There doesn't seem to be any pattern in this and it seems like the printed edition at least hasn't been kept in sync with the errata document.

Can someone who owns the PDF version (or even the new print if you have it already) check the latest 4th printing and how that matches up to the list in errata 4.11 document. If I'm reading this correctly the only fix that shouldn't be included in the 4th printing is the number 7 (Griffin, remove Jettison-Capable Weapon (PPC)).