Master Unit List (MUL) Feedback Thread III - READ THE FIRST POST

[GreekFire]

Phoenix Hawk L: fixed, good catch.
Avalanche: intentional, for now.
Oliver: intentional. Wolves didn't control the planet for long enough in the DA era to warrant availability, with the Scorpion C being a notable exception.
Archer: fine as-is.
Prefect: fine as-is.
Uraeus: it and the Kheper are still a bit up in the air.

When the SLDF Jags or Falcons have access to a unit that is being produced on or near Terra, should the SLDF Wolves have access, too?

Not necessarily.

[Weirdo]

I get that they'd be a far lower priority, but would it be possible to get the support vees from the AToW Companion added to the MUL sometime?

[Hussar2]

Ilclan availability oddities:
* Simurgh O, OA, OB have Star League Wolf and Wolf's Dragoons Availability but the Simurgh Base has Star League Smoke jaguar instead.
* Simian, Centaur, Taranis and both variants of the Angerona BA still have RoTS availabilities for Sqd4 deployment

[Sartris]

I get that they'd be a far lower priority, but would it be possible to get the support vees from the AToW Companion added to the MUL sometime?

currently working on them though there won't be much info in the entries.

[GreekFire]

Ilclan availability oddities:
* Simurgh O, OA, OB have Star League Wolf and Wolf's Dragoons Availability but the Simurgh Base has Star League Smoke jaguar instead.
* Simian, Centaur, Taranis and both variants of the Angerona BA still have RoTS availabilities for Sqd4 deployment

Thanks, all of these should be fixed.

[jasonf]

Ok, I've made it through the IS 'Mechs. Here's a few more.

Flea 17:
1) Is Kurita gaining access in DA then losing it in ilClan era intentional?
2) Should FWL lose access in ilClan era? (Likely produced at Nimikachi/Lesnovo? …FM: 3085, p. 78)

Bloodhound B1, B2, and B3: Should Clan Wolf have access in DA era? Definitely held Keystone for a while (but lines may have been idle?)

Should Tamar have Enfield 6S (or some other variant) in ilClan era? They have access to other Blackstone units. Same question on Hunchback 5S and/or 5SS (has access to other Norse-Storm units, and these are the ones likely produced).

Orion 1-M and MA need some Sundered FWL availabilities in the DA era to cover the 3031-38 period. ON1-M may also need Andurien in ilClan era.

Also, in general, should Wolf Empire mostly have access to to garrison/solahma units while SLDF Wolves have access to mostly frontline units that were available to Clan Wolf in DA? (given the forces that went to Terra/were left behind)

[GreekFire]

Flea: fixed.
Bloodhound: fixed.
Enfield/Hunchback: things are currently fine as-is.
Orions: the FWL substates strike back. Fixed.

Wolf Empire: Yes and no. Let's talk about this more once Empire Alone comes out.

[jasonf]

Orions: the FWL substates strike back. Fixed.

That might actually be the last of them!

Wolf Empire: Yes and no. Let's talk about this more once Empire Alone comes out.

No worries. Really just wondering to avoid false positives for errata reporting, but I think Wolf availabilities have started to make sense after clicking on a dozen or so of their available Clan Tech 'Mechs.  :thumbsup:

[Gribbly]

Will the 'standard' versions of the following mechs be added to 'HW Clan General' for Early and Late Succession Wars periods (similar to the Shadow Hawk IIC)?

Marauder IIC - intro 2828
Hellhound (Conjurer) - intro 2829
Warhammer IIC - intro 2829
Peregrine (Horned Owl) - intro 2835
Clint IIC - intro 2842
Wyvern IIC - intro 2843
Rifleman IIC - intro 2845
Phoenix Hawk IIC - intro 2851
Griffin IIC - intro 2852
Hunchback IIC - intro 2856
Highlander IIC - intro 2858
Guillotine IIC - intro 2889

[GreekFire]

Eventually. We have not yet given Succession War-era availabilities to most Clan units with an introductory date earlier than 2900, and our current priorities means that this might take a small while.

We'll make sure to post an announcement when it happens.

[Gribbly]

Eventually. We have not yet given Succession War-era availabilities to most Clan units with an introductory date earlier than 2900, and our current priorities means that this might take a small while.

We'll make sure to post an announcement when it happens.

Excellent, thanks.

[Sartris]

I get that they'd be a far lower priority, but would it be possible to get the support vees from the AToW Companion added to the MUL sometime?

I've added these... at least as much as they can be added

http://masterunitlist.info/Source/Details/506/a-time-of-war-companion

[jasonf]

A little over halfway through the Clanners. Finding these was like some sadistic game of Where's Waldo... but with faction icons.  xp

Uller I – missing Scorpion Empire in ilClan
Coyotl A – missing Sea Foxes and Clan Protectorate in ilClan
Dragonfly G – missing Escorpios/Scorpion Empire in all eras (Jihad through ilClan)
Black Hawk U – missing multiple factions in Jihad, missing Mercs, Wolf’s Dragoons in Late-Rep and DA era, missing Mercs in ilClan era
Black Hawk X – missing Scorpion Empire in ilClan era
Nobori-nin F – missing Nova Cats in DA era (Intro year < 3142)
Ryoken F and G – missing Escorpios in DA era and Scorpion Empire in DA and ilClan eras
Vulture E and F – missing Escorpios in DA era and Scorpion Empire in DA and ilClan eras
Cauldron-Born E and X – missing Escorpios in DA era and Scorpion Empire in DA and ilClan eras
Linebacker (all configs) – Should Lyrans (and maybe Tamar) have access in ilClan era? (produced at Assault Tech Industries via RG06)
Thor G and HH – missing Escorpios in DA era and Scorpion Empire in DA and ilClan eras
Mad Cat TC and F – missing Escorpios in DA era and Scorpion Empire in DA and ilClan eras
Iron Cheetah L – missing Sea Foxes in DA era
Spider 8R (and perhaps 8X) -- Should SLDF Wolves (and/or other SLDF factions) have access? Spider 8R likely produced @ Krupp on Terra, and 8X possibly produced there, too (via TRO3085)

[GreekFire]

Just saw this.
Availability mismatches fixed, tahnks.
Linebacker has gone to the Lyrans, Spider will stay as-is for now.

[uz000]

Warhawk (all variants) only available to Scorpion Empire in IlClan era? Surely most IS Clans would have this mech, but especially reformed Clan Smoke Jaguar?

[GreekFire]

Warhawk availabilities will be remaining as-is for now.

[Rainbow 6]

Given the Tamar Pact, Vespers Marches etc are on the list will the Oberon Confederation be making an appearance or are they Periphery General exclusively?

I ask as according to Tamar Rising they are receiving equipment from the Red Hunter which I wouldn't expect to see available anywhere else.

[GreekFire]

No plans for now.

[jasonf]

FYI -- I finished looking through the remaining DA/ilClan 'Mechs and didn't find any other issues.  :thumbsup:

One minor issue I saw, though, was for the Clan Protectorate. Have you guys considered giving them a FWL faction tag in the DA era to identify the units they have then? Right now, there are a few units that only have Nova Cat availability in the DA era, so it's as if they don't exist between 3142 and 3151 and then magically reappear.

I know the CP representation is still in flux, but I am guessing that these units would ultimately have either a FWL or CP faction tag in the DA era eventually anyway.
 

[ShroudedSciuridae]

Some vessels from TRO3025 Revised are unstated on the MUL:
Cargoking DS p. 116
Cargomaster DS p. 118
Quetzalcoatl Scout JS p. 126

From Housebook Arano the Argo DS is misfiled as a JS

[nckestrel]

Some vessels from TRO3025 Revised are unstated on the MUL:
Cargoking DS p. 116
Cargomaster DS p. 118
Quetzalcoatl Scout JS p. 126

TR3025R predates the current construction rules by so much that the only thing I know for sure about their stats is that those are not them any more.

From Housebook Arano the Argo DS is misfiled as a JS

Corrected. Thanks.

[ShroudedSciuridae]

TR3025R predates the current construction rules by so much that the only thing I know for sure about their stats is that those are not them any more.

Sorry, typoed that.  TRO 3026 Revised which IIRC would put it in the same ruleset as 3057 Revised. Tonnage is likely correct for both and if the math has changed since the switch to SO just add/subtract from cargo.  Luckily the DropShips are both cargo carriers and the Quetzalcoatl has plenty as well.

[Sky Rider]

Hello!
I have question about Jade Falcon IlCLan mech list. Dark Age have 525 mechs, IlClan - 338.
I'm pretty new player but have most of disapeared chassis and curious if the fate of Invasion mechs that I had (Kodiak, Piranha, Viper, Daishi, Massakari etc) will repeat and they will be avaliable only for shelf.
Chassis that are missing:
-Howler
-Butcherbird
-Arctic Cheetah
-Hellion
-Adder
-Phantom
-Grendel
-Hellhound
-Vapor Eagle
-Shadow Cat II
-Crossbow
-Naga
-Marauder IIC
-Onager
-Lots of Bane models

Sorry if this question is silly, I know that Jade Falcons lost battle for Terra and lost their best Khan, but it's realy hurt THAT much?

[GreekFire]

'Mech availabilities have and will always ebb and flow for each faction within each era.

In this case, the Falcons have split into three "subfactions" of sorts. The intent behind the current distribution is to give each list a unique yet recognizable flavor, while also refreshing and streamlining their lists to reflect what each military might look like after the massive material/manpower losses that were suffered.

With that said, the SLDF factions are still in flux, and may see further evolution as more material comes out.

[MoneyLovinOgre4Hire]

Per the Battle of Tukayyid sourcebook, Royal variants of mechs like the Highlander and Shadow Hawk were present in the Comguard's forces.  However, they are not presently listed as being available to Comster during the Clan Invasion era.  Should they be or are they considered too rare to count?

[Rainbow 6]

No plans for now.

Fair enough, if I was to do a force for the Confederation would I use the Periphery General or Pirate list?

Also should there be a Marauder variant on one or both of the above lists? Both have a Marauder II listed but none of the original design.

[Sartris]

Pirates are part of periphery general so both

[Rainbow 6]

Pirates are part of periphery general so both

Cheers.

[GreekFire]

Hm. Yes. I've added Pirate to the Red Hunter as well, since his career path appears to be a bit complicated.

[Henning]

Just out of curiosity:
The Ares Superheavies are available for both Davion and Marik in the IlClan era. I thought these Mechs were not that widely available, only produced on Terra and all either destroyed on Terra or captured by the Wolves (and kind of "handled" by the Foxes). Or are the Foxes now selling these IS wide?