Author Topic: Clan Jade Falcon III: Admittedly, We May Have Falconed a Little Too Hard (Read 100057 times)

BrianDavion · « **Reply #600 on:** 18 January 2023, 04:50:15 »

Quote from: tassa_kay on 17 January 2023, 02:52:56

That's... a really good analogy, actually.

I'd have found the whole thing easier to swallow had there been any build-up to it. But it was such a drastic shift in their dynamic out of absolutely nowhere, and I'm not a fan of any writer ignoring previously-established characterization to drive plot.

"Fleeting
video footage of the girl from the aftermath of several battles during
Malvina’s rampage towards Tharkad shows us a teenager whose
body language and physical reactions are, to quote Dr. Lambert in
the psyops division, “textbook abuse victim combined with posttraumatic
stress.”"
- Era report 3145.

we last saw Cynthy in a novel in rending of Falcons, a novel where she was a 5 year old girl. by 3145 she's a 15 year old, and on Terra she was a 20 year old woman.

Deadborder · « **Reply #601 on:** 18 January 2023, 06:58:34 »

“So, what do we actually know about our glorious new Khan?”

“Uh, She opposed the Mongol Doctrine,”

“I meant as a person.”

“She likes knives?”

“I thought so.”

Church14 · « **Reply #602 on:** 18 January 2023, 08:04:59 »

Quote from: JAMES_PRYDE on 18 January 2023, 03:43:02

Side note: Which Shrapnel story about Highlanders and Jade Falcon you guys mentioned ?

Alpha Strike Box tells about Falcons fighting Highlanders

Shrapnel 11 discusses highlanders post Terra

tassa_kay · « **Reply #603 on:** 18 January 2023, 10:59:53 »

Quote from: BrianDavion on 18 January 2023, 04:50:15

"Fleeting
video footage of the girl from the aftermath of several battles during
Malvina’s rampage towards Tharkad shows us a teenager whose
body language and physical reactions are, to quote Dr. Lambert in
the psyops division, “textbook abuse victim combined with posttraumatic
stress.”"
- Era report 3145.

Another example of exactly what I was talking about.

Sorry, but you're not going to convince me that this wasn't a characterization shift. Best to just agree to disagree and move on.

BrianDavion · « **Reply #604 on:** 18 January 2023, 16:03:29 »

Quote from: tassa_kay on 18 January 2023, 10:59:53

Another example of exactly what I was talking about.

Sorry, but you're not going to convince me that this wasn't a characterization shift. Best to just agree to disagree and move on.

except that era report 3145 wasn't written by Blaine Lee Pardoe, so claiming this is "BLP's fault" isn't true, and yet again, the last time we saw Cyynthy in the books, she was 5, ten years is a LOOOONG time for a relationship to evolve and change.

a cute 5 year old becomes a lippy 15 year old, and gets beaten down.

tassa_kay · « **Reply #605 on:** 18 January 2023, 16:09:40 »

The last time we saw Cynthy in a novel was "A Bonfire of Worlds", a scant few years before ER3145, and she wasn't being abused there, either.

ER3145 wasn't his fault, but his novels are. So again, agree to disagree, because we will never see eye-to-eye on this.

BrianDavion · « **Reply #606 on:** 18 January 2023, 17:27:04 »

Quote from: tassa_kay on 18 January 2023, 16:09:40

The last time we saw Cynthy in a novel was "A Bonfire of Worlds", a scant few years before ER3145, and she wasn't being abused there, either.

ER3145 wasn't his fault, but his novels are. So again, agree to disagree, because we will never see eye-to-eye on this.

yes she was being abused, she was ALWAYS being abused.

even if it wasn't physical it was being absued, and if you think her relationship with Malvina wasn't abusive then... well.. don't have kids.

tassa_kay · « **Reply #607 on:** 18 January 2023, 17:31:29 »

Quote from: BrianDavion on 18 January 2023, 17:27:04

even if it wasn't physical it was being absued, and if you think her relationship with Malvina wasn't abusive then... well.. don't have kids.

You damn well know I'm referring to the violent physical abuse. Please don't be intellectually dishonest if you're going to talk to me.

As for having kids, I wouldn't want them anyway. I hate kids. That's money I could be spending on myself.

MoneyLovinOgre4Hire · « **Reply #608 on:** 18 January 2023, 19:13:13 »

Could we drop this already?

Weirdo · « **Reply #609 on:** 18 January 2023, 19:37:42 »

Quote from: MoneyLovinOgre4Hire on 18 January 2023, 19:13:13

Could we drop this already?

++MODERATOR NOTICE++

Yes. Let's.

JAMES_PRYDE · « **Reply #610 on:** 19 January 2023, 02:14:37 »

I had a dream !

Turkina Elizabeth Hazen Nova Catbird showed me

Something BIG Jade Falcon is coming (as in official stuff) 8)

All I can say lol, as in I was reviewing the material, looking over maps, mechs, books etc, the dates 3152 towards the end, (3156?) And was so happy, that's it

Weirdo · « **Reply #611 on:** 19 January 2023, 09:03:37 »

Quote from: JAMES_PRYDE on 19 January 2023, 02:14:37

I had a dream !

Turkina Elizabeth Hazen Nova Catbird showed me

Something BIG Jade Falcon is coming (as in official stuff) 8)

All I can say lol, as in I was reviewing the material, looking over maps, mechs, books etc, the dates 3152 towards the end, (3156?) And was so happy, that's it

tassa_kay · « **Reply #612 on:** 19 January 2023, 10:40:11 »

This is why I don't eat spicy food before bedtime. To avoid nova catbirds. :D

Empyrus · « **Reply #613 on:** 19 January 2023, 10:42:57 »

Is this like those edited pics where you got a bird with cat's face/head?
So a Jade Falcon with Nova Cat face?

Kerfuffin(925) · « **Reply #614 on:** 19 January 2023, 12:37:19 »

That seems more like a Scorpion vision…
???

Metallgewitter · « **Reply #615 on:** 19 January 2023, 14:47:27 »

Did someone find the secret stash of necrosia? Or take lessons by a Nova cat mystic?

JAMES_PRYDE · « **Reply #616 on:** 19 January 2023, 18:11:09 »

hahah

No, seriously, I had a dream, normal, non necrosia induced dream 8)

JAMES_PRYDE · « **Reply #617 on:** 29 January 2023, 08:36:13 »

Soooo

Any "new" (brief) snippets from DD that pertain to us ?

Besides me seeing Alaric losing credibility

Empyrus · « **Reply #618 on:** 29 January 2023, 09:32:35 »

Only Chistu's incursion to the RasDom from their POV.

Zeruel · « **Reply #619 on:** 30 January 2023, 02:20:05 »

Quote from: Empyrus on 29 January 2023, 09:32:35

Only Chistu's incursion to the RasDom from their POV.

speaking of, he got basically a Cluster's worth of sib-cadets...it's unlikely they all pass muster to become warriors (unless the Falcons are desperate enough to graduate them all--which they are), where do they go from there? you think Chistu is pulling the same stunt across Horse space? grabbing up what sibkos where he can?
even if he grabs a ton of sibkos, how long until they are warriors and how long until they have the 'Mechs to equip them?
how much time does Chistu have?

BrianDavion · « **Reply #620 on:** 30 January 2023, 02:22:13 »

Quote from: Zeruel on 30 January 2023, 02:20:05

speaking of, he got basically a Cluster's worth of sib-cadets...it's unlikely they all pass muster to become warriors (unless the Falcons are desperate enough to graduate them all--which they are), where do they go from there? you think Chistu is pulling the same stunt across Horse space? grabbing up what sibkos where he can?
even if he grabs a ton of sibkos, how long until they are warriors and how long until they have the 'Mechs to equip them?
how much time does Chistu have?

the ones who failed where IIRC shunted into conventional units.

tassa_kay · « **Reply #621 on:** 30 January 2023, 02:40:08 »

Quote from: Zeruel on 30 January 2023, 02:20:05

you think Chistu is pulling the same stunt across Horse space? grabbing up what sibkos where he can?

I doubt it. Chistu can't afford to further antagonize the Horses, especially not with a new Khan in charge that won't hold back like the last one did and certainly has an axe to grind against Chistu for Sudeten, and his realm is too new, too fragile, and too surrounded by enemies to allow him to get too adventurous.

Empyrus · « **Reply #622 on:** 30 January 2023, 05:46:28 »

Figure Chistu will try to expand in the Hinterlands next. Secure more territory, just build-up everything. Figure he'll train the sibbies by using them offensively. Looking at the latest map (Tamar Rising page 72), there are unclaimed worlds toward the Alyina Mercantile League. Or he could try to take out Malthus Confederation. If he wants a stronger opponent, the Tamar Pact could be a target.
The sibko-grab seems to have been basically just a start but an extremely dangerous, if not even impossible, stunt to repeat. Not because it is unusual for the Clans, more like it was so humiliating to the Rasalhague Dominion.
The Horses seem too established and powerful to be a viable target, except perhaps small raids for material at best. Maybe. Currently re-reading Tamar Rising, need to bring myself up to speed again.

BrianDavion · « **Reply #623 on:** 30 January 2023, 06:10:44 »

I'm not sure Jiyi will wanna expand too recklessly, it might be best to keep to worlds a single jump from Sudeten so that he can rapidly bring his full force to bear

Empyrus · « **Reply #624 on:** 30 January 2023, 06:16:05 »

The Hinterlands seems like a race against time. Whoever there gets most territory (as that comes with people, resources, production capability) may end up overall in the strongest position. To be sure, there are dangers in expansion too, as the powers in the Hinterlands have extremely limited forces overall.
Perhaps it will become a free for all land that constantly changes owners?

Almotacen at least is within 30ly from Sudeten, so it might be the next target, and unclaimed. If Chistu is willing to attack the Horses, Colmar looks like it might secure some buffer.

BrianDavion · « **Reply #625 on:** 30 January 2023, 06:41:11 »

Well none of the unclaimed worlds have any major military facilities that I can find

Empyrus · « **Reply #626 on:** 30 January 2023, 06:43:15 »

Fair enough, though people, resources, tax income, all that can be still worth it even if there are no major production centers.
At least given how BattleTech nations are so insistent on claiming territory so often seemingly just for sake of claiming it.

VensersRevenge · « **Reply #627 on:** 30 January 2023, 06:47:37 »

There's a lot of historical precedent for states claiming territory with no, or even negative, value for a variety of reasons. And who hasn't conquered territory in a strategy game to make your name bigger or make the border look neater?

Empyrus · « **Reply #628 on:** 30 January 2023, 06:51:27 »

Quote from: VensersRevenge on 30 January 2023, 06:47:37

And who hasn't conquered territory in a strategy game to make your name bigger or make the border look neater?

Ah yes, the Jade Falcons conquering territory just to avoid border gore ;D

MoneyLovinOgre4Hire · « **Reply #629 on:** 30 January 2023, 10:22:33 »

Quote from: BrianDavion on 30 January 2023, 02:22:13

the ones who failed where IIRC shunted into conventional units.

Yeah, he guaranteed every one of them a position in the warrior caste regardless of whether they could pass a Trial of Position or not. The trial results just determine where they'll end up. And he's got enough factories that he's got no shortage of equipment, what he needed were bodies to pilot that equipment.