Clan Jade Falcon III: Admittedly, We May Have Falconed a Little Too Hard

[truetanker]

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[Tyler Jorgensson]

Nothing in FM: SLDF but I’d guess something having to do with Hercules…

[JamesPryde]

Tassa teased me - since I get into ilClan era stuff passionately and I can be easy pickings - about the Falcons and NWH highlanders reuniting. You responded with “would it be such a bad thing?”

It hasn’t been the first time I’ve seen people suggest, seriously, that Falcons recruit from NWH. So I took your question at face value.

I’m glad your follow up here explained your stance better. I don’t know what I want from Tara. I don’t think I care. BLP tried to destroy and character assassinate anyone and everything RotS related and he succeeded with the one character he tried to create an ilClan future for. That said, if people want to put effort into salvaging her as a character, the only path I see forward is a guilt-ridden Falcon leader trying to make amends for betraying the republic. Maybe she can push for Falcon efforts to sabotage the ilClan.

Her as a happy clanner is a new character with her name on it. A happy return to NWH is impossible.

BLP was the one that wrote the book BUT its not like he or any writer can just do anything they want... Remember that for all the things we like and don't like that happens it's the whole of the company that decides the overall direction. Character assassination as you call it of key/high profile personalities is not something a single author can just "do". There are a # of BT authors here so feel free to correct me if I'm wrong. I do not believe that vilifying a single person who by the way is not here to correct you is not going to change a company level decision. The universe is always changing and the fact that things don't always go like you want them to is part of the ride. I'll get off my soap box now.

[JAMES_PRYDE]

Sibkin (clone) <nods> 

What a name 

[tassa_kay]

BLP was the one that wrote the book BUT its not like he or any writer can just do anything they want... Remember that for all the things we like and don't like that happens it's the whole of the company that decides the overall direction. Character assassination as you call it of key/high profile personalities is not something a single author can just "do". There are a # of BT authors here so feel free to correct me if I'm wrong. I do not believe that vilifying a single person who by the way is not here to correct you is not going to change a company level decision. The universe is always changing and the fact that things don't always go like you want them to is part of the ride. I'll get off my soap box now.

I fail to see where Church asked for or even expects CGL to change a company-level decision. He's correctly laying the blame for the events of HotW on the writer who crafted it (and went on ad nauseum about the writing process for it on his blog), and he has every right to do so.

[Church14]

BLP was the one that wrote the book BUT its not like he or any writer can just do anything they want... Remember that for all the things we like and don't like that happens it's the whole of the company that decides the overall direction. Character assassination as you call it of key/high profile personalities is not something a single author can just "do". There are a # of BT authors here so feel free to correct me if I'm wrong. I do not believe that vilifying a single person who by the way is not here to correct you is not going to change a company level decision. The universe is always changing and the fact that things don't always go like you want them to is part of the ride. I'll get off my soap box now.

I hesitate to say this, but you might want to read his blog and see how many decisions he claimed as his. And how he argued for specific outcomes with whatever CGL calls their story group. How he said he put his foot down and said things must pan out a certain way if he was going to write the book.

I’ll give you the short version: BLP wanted the RotS to lose even harder than they did. He wanted them to gleefully be absorbed into the wolves. He wanted them to gladly join the glorious new Third Star League and help kick the crap out of the Hell’s horses who dared defy the league. The trashfire of HotW is what we got after the story group reigned huge amounts of BLP’s nonsense in.

As for outcomes I don’t like? My issue isn’t the outcome. We knew since Shattered fortress that the RotS was boned narratively. The end result - a dead faction - isn’t the issue. The problem was an author who refused to respect the faction he wrote the demise of, and that author going out of his way to anttack every aspect of it that he could.

So we end up here, with a Tara Campbell-Wolf-Jade Falcon who makes no sense, and has no good narrative place in spite of being set up to be important.

[Metallgewitter]

If you take the entire Dark Age the stories often have holes you can fly Warships through. I mean just for the Falcons: how many cokpit hits did Malvina actually survive? Imho she should have died on Skye or at the very least in Operation Nighthawk. Then we have the Falcons going full out Space-hitler and NO ONE dares to actually fight fire with fire? Why didn't the Lyrans thought of nuking the Falcons after they had begun to poison planets or using Warships as oribtal bombardment (literally). Or the Republic equipping their last Warships with nukes to clear the sky of Falcon Warships who had bombarded Terra? Then we have the HPG blackout and at first Fax machines work just fine and suddenly they are written out of existence. We have a Republic that just 20-30 years after the Capellan Crusades has grown so weak it collapses overnight. Or how Harrison Davion changes from weak ruler to someone who seems really competent in terms of political machinations.

[Church14]

TBF, barring HotW, I’ve been seeing and now expecting better of the writing from CGL for ilClan. It feels like there has been a step change in standards.

So while I don’t see a good path for Tara going forward, I’m also not the one who has to spend the time to sort her out. I’m cautiously optimistic that they’ll find something.

[Hellraiser]

If she kills Stephanie Chistu with a throwing knife, I will literally buy a dozen copies of the book.

LOL. 

[Hellraiser]

Even reading some Sarna articles about how the Falcons took the bulk of Aegis Class ships, that are TH and Elizabeth's history too.

Could you direct me to these.

I've never heard of the Falcons choosing them for their TH history.

Sure they had a bunch but half the one's in Revival were Raven ships.

[parable]

Could you direct me to these.

I've never heard of the Falcons choosing them for their TH history.

Sure they had a bunch but half the one's in Revival were Raven ships.

https://www.sarna.net/wiki/Aegis_(WarShip_class)  Last line of the third paragraph: "the design highly favored by Clan Jade Falcon who use it to perform escort and transport duties."

[BrianDavion]

https://www.sarna.net/wiki/Aegis_(WarShip_class)  Last line of the third paragraph: "the design highly favored by Clan Jade Falcon who use it to perform escort and transport duties."

that just says the jade falcons like it, ti doesn't say they like it because of the Hegemony link.

[parable]

ah, didn't notice the Terran Hegemony mention there.  TRO: 3057 simply says that despite their light armor, a lot of Aegides survived the Exodus and are still staples in the Clans to this day, with Jade Falcon fielding the majority.  From that, I guess one could infer that, staunch traditionalists that they are, the Jade Falcons prefer the venerable Star League era design over others when available, but that's reading between the lines more than anything outright

[Scotty]

There is no problem with inferring information and using it to form conclusions and fuel speculation.  There is problem with stating said conclusions or speculation as fact.

No harm done, but it happens enough here and in other places on the boards to be worth a mention now and again.

[rebs]

For my part, I simply noted the Falcons and their love of Aegis cruisers to be just one more hint about their connection to the Terran Hegemony, backed up by their love of tradition.  They certainly are noted for their conservative natures that rather venerate the old ways.  It's just a connection.  And as such, it only has as much value as a reader or player wants it to have at their table.

But it's in no way proven fact.  And in no way does it predict their course during the next unfolding years of the new IlClan Era.

[BaldDen]

For my part, I simply noted the Falcons and their love of Aegis cruisers to be just one more hint about their connection to the Terran Hegemony, backed up by their love of tradition.  They certainly are noted for their conservative natures that rather venerate the old ways.  It's just a connection.  And as such, it only has as much value as a reader or player wants it to have at their table.

But it's in no way proven fact.  And in no way does it predict their course during the next unfolding years of the new IlClan Era.

Going by your point, the Falcons have used SL equipment so far and haven't tried to be the first to get Omnimech technology.

[rebs]

They really went after Omni tech (and later Elemental tech) because they knew they would fall behind without it.  And the Wolves and Coyotes had fun playing keep away, too. 

[Crimson Dynamo]

To my more-knowledgeable trothkin, what do the Star League Jade Falcons look like? I know of the depiction of the Golden Talons of the 5th Battle on the front of the Alpha Strike boxset: https://cfw.sarna.net/wiki/images/e/e4/Alpha_Strike_Box_Set_cover.png?timestamp=20220424155552

But I also see there was some representation on the recent CSO diorama fighting the CCAF alongside the Wolves and Jaguars: https://camospecs.com/listing/summoner-prime-8/

One is a swapped version of Delta's scheme, the other is (to my eyes) a dulled-down version of the classic scheme, almost like the Falcon Sentinels. Are there any further descriptions out there? Novels, Shrapnel, etc?

[tassa_kay]

Nope. That’s literally all we have at the moment.

[rebs]

We're all waiting to devour For IlKhan's Eyes Only to hopefully get a good look at the condition of the Falcons and Jaguars.

[Church14]

The novel they teased that’s coming in Q2 will probably show some of it

[JAMES_PRYDE]

Looking to research (as written about in Shrapnel, "Strange Bedfellows") the unit "Jade Swords" the Cluster that refused to follow The Not Named Hazen and lifted off Sudeten after the sad events of that day (may Pryde rest in peace)

Is there any info about what the Cluster was, the type ? So we could get a improvised TRO

[jimdigris]

It was made of mixed members of multiple clusters who could not bear Malvina. 

[MarauderD]

We're all waiting to devour For IlKhan's Eyes Only to hopefully get a good look at the condition of the Falcons and Jaguars.

Agreed.  The Falcons and Jags are in my “most interested” bucket in the new star league.

[worktroll]

As someone who was originally a Jaguar fan, who moved to the Falcons following, the Refusal, I'm completely uninterested in the uber-special Fidelis remnants who are going to become Gary Stus. And my heart and mind sre solidly with the non-Wolf pet Falcons - preference for the Falcon Remnants, but prepared to consider the AML. But still keen to see IEO.

[tassa_kay]

I really wish this community could be rid of the Mary Sue/Gary Stu term. It's almost never used accurately.

Besides, we have absolutely no idea what direction the Jaguars are going to go in now that BLP isn't writing them anymore. I think casting judgment now is incredibly premature.

[Sartris]

Their new improv comedy Keshik is going to steal the spotlight in IKEO

[BrianDavion]

I really wish this community could be rid of the Mary Sue/Gary Stu term. It's almost never used accurately.

Besides, we have absolutely no idea what direction the Jaguars are going to go in now that BLP isn't writing them anymore. I think casting judgment now is incredibly premature.

I agree with Tassa. the term Mary Sue is almsot always misused, and normally translates as "I like these guys because they actually have good thigns going for them" AT BEST the Jags are simply a highly cross trained elite formation that can operate in and out of mechs with high effectiveness. Battletech's had something like that from pretty much day 1. they're the death commandos with clantech. I mean the reborn Jags are here and CGL has some imaginative writers let's wait and see whats done with them.
People are IMHO being waaaaaaaay too fast to dismiss both the star league jags and falcons

[MoneyLovinOgre4Hire]

I'd imagine that the reborn Jags would have gotten less shade thrown their way if the circumstances of their rebirth had not been in such a contentious novel.  All I'm going to say on the matter.

[worktroll]

Besides, we have absolutely no idea what direction the Jaguars are going to go in now that BLP isn't writing them anymore.

True, and fair comment. While absence of evidence isn't evidence of anything, though, it'll be interesting if the arc from Hour of the Wolf gets significantly altered.

But in the meantime, still sticking to the remnants & merchants.