400 Standard Fusion Slayers - Just Because You Can...

[Giovanni Blasini]

...Doesn't Mean You Should.

OK, so I tried this two different ways: the first was to just shove a 400 LTV engine into a standard Slayer frame.  To do that, I had to give up half the fuel, and cut the weapons down to 2 ML in the nose, 2 SL in each wing, and 1 ML aft, with just the integrated 10 single heat sinks.  It's...well, it's better than a Charger, so there's that.

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Slayer SL-15F

Mass: 80 tons
Frame: Unknown
Power Plant: 400 Fusion
Cruising Speed: 75.6 kph
Maximum Speed: 118.8 kph
Armor: Standard
Armament:
     4 Small Laser
     3 Medium Laser
Manufacturer: Unknown
     Primary Factory: Unknown
Communication System: Unknown
Targeting & Tracking System: Unknown
Introduction Year: 2770
Tech Rating/Availability: D/C-E-D-D
Cost: 4,620,187 C-bills

Type: Slayer
Technology Base: Inner Sphere (Standard)
Tonnage: 80
Battle Value: 981

Equipment                                          Mass
Engine                        400 Fusion           52.5
Safe Thrust: 7
Max Thrust: 11
Structural Integrity:         8                       
Heat Sinks:                   10                      0
Fuel:                         400                   5.0
Cockpit                                               3
Armor Factor                  232                  14.5

                           Armor   
                           Value   
     Nose                    84   
     Wings                 50/50   
     Aft                     48   


Weapons
and Ammo              Location   Tonnage  Heat   SRV  MRV  LRV  ERV
2 Medium Laser          NOS       2.0      3      5    0    0    0 
2 Small Laser           RWG       1.0      1      3    0    0    0 
2 Small Laser           LWG       1.0      1      3    0    0    0 
Medium Laser            AFT       1.0      3      5    0    0    0 

Next up, i tried the same thing, but building it as a 100-ton fighter now.  Thrust curve is now the same as the standard Slayer, but I still had to give a couple things up: keeping the 10-ton fuel tank, I only had 20 tons for weaponry, so the AC/10 was too heavy.  So, I decided to go with one of my standbys, and threw a Blazer in the nose, dropped the heat sinks down to 16, and cut the nose medium laser: you're left with a Blazer, 2 MLs in each wing, and 1 ML aft.  I'm not entirely sure I like it, because you have heat issues combining the nose and a wing, and so you might be better off with a large laser and four more heat sinks.

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Slayer SL-15G

Mass: 100 tons
Frame: Unknown
Power Plant: 400 Fusion
Cruising Speed: 64.8 kph
Maximum Speed: 97.2 kph
Armor: Standard
Armament:
     5 Medium Laser
     1 Binary Laser (Blazer) Cannon
Manufacturer: Unknown
     Primary Factory: Unknown
Communication System: Unknown
Targeting & Tracking System: Unknown
Introduction Year: 2900
Tech Rating/Availability: D/X-E-E-D
Cost: 6,332,500 C-bills

Type: Slayer
Technology Base: Inner Sphere (Experimental)
Tonnage: 100
Battle Value: 1,277

Equipment                                          Mass
Engine                        400 Fusion           52.5
Safe Thrust: 6
Max Thrust: 9
Structural Integrity:         10                       
Heat Sinks:                   16                      6
Fuel:                         800                  10.0
Cockpit                                               3
Armor Factor                  232                  14.5

                           Armor   
                           Value   
     Nose                    84   
     Wings                 50/50   
     Aft                     48   


Weapons
and Ammo              Location   Tonnage  Heat   SRV  MRV  LRV  ERV
Binary Laser Cannon     NOS       9.0      16    12   12    0    0 
2 Medium Laser          RWG       2.0      3      5    0    0    0 
2 Medium Laser          LWG       2.0      3      5    0    0    0 
Medium Laser            AFT       1.0      3      5    0    0    0 



[chanman]

The optimal chassis weight for a 6/9 thrust curve with SFE is 85 tons. An 80 tonner is only 0.5 tons short, so the Slayer is pretty close already. Moving to 100 tons loses 10 tons off the optimal mass (9.5 tons from the 80 tonner). Note that the 100 tonner actually has a ton less payload (armour/fuel/weapons) than a 60 ton fighter would.

For the 7/11 thrust class and a SFE, the optimal mass is 65 tons and the Slayer has a full 14 tons less payload than a 65 tonner. Hell, it has 0.5 less than a 7/11 SFE 35 tonner would and only 3 more tons to play with than the 30 ton Spad.

[Lagrange]

The optimal chassis weight for a 6/9 thrust curve with SFE is 85 tons. An 80 tonner is only 0.5 tons short, so the Slayer is pretty close already.

There is some extra value in going to 90 tons at least since it increases structural integrity to match max thrust.

[chanman]

There is some extra value in going to 90 tons at least since it increases structural integrity to match max thrust.

Yeah, I'm working only off the usable tonnage after subtracting fixed equipment and the engine. The general rule of thumb for SFE seems to be that it doesn't hurt too much to overshoot by up to 10 tons or undershoot by 15 tons. It's never worth overshooting by 15 tons though, the weight penalty is immense.

[Giovanni Blasini]

Note, this was in no way attempting to be efficient.  Anything involving a 400 standard fusion engine is in no way going to be efficient.  This was more to see what was possible with that engine: say, if you're some Periphery planet that somehow manages to produce this engine, such that your frontline 'Mech is the Charger, and you want an aerospace fighter to go with it.

[chanman]

Note, this was in no way attempting to be efficient.  Anything involving a 400 standard fusion engine is in no way going to be efficient.  This was more to see what was possible with that engine: say, if you're some Periphery planet that somehow manages to produce this engine, such that your frontline 'Mech is the Charger, and you want an aerospace fighter to go with it.

Well yes, you have managed to create a flying Charger.

[Giovanni Blasini]

Well yes, you have managed to create a flying Charger.

I have, though, interestingly, I don't think it suffers quite as badly as the Charger does, which shows the differences between building a BattleMech and an Aerospace Fighter.

[Cannonshop]

I have, though, interestingly, I don't think it suffers quite as badly as the Charger does, which shows the differences between building a BattleMech and an Aerospace Fighter.

well, yah, you can't use a CGR-1(variant) as a bomb-truck.  the 'lighter' version you posted is an excellent delivery mechanism for air-dropped ordnance, rocket-pods, and missiles.

the 100 tonner is almost as good, and better than most 100 ton conventional Fusion powered ASF for the same job.

(SOoomany bombs!!!)