Author Topic: The Scorpion Empire: All your Warhawks are belong to us  (Read 116359 times)

Weirdo

  • Painter of Borth the Magic Puma
  • Catalyst Demo Team
  • Major General
  • *
  • Posts: 41417
  • We can do it. We have to.
    • Christina Dickinson Writes
Re: The Scorpion Empire: All your Warhawks are belong to us
« Reply #240 on: 23 March 2022, 10:38:20 »
You're assuming that the larger DropShips are available in the numbers you'd need for this. Got any evidence?
My wife writes books

Sixteen tons means sixteen suits. CT must be repaired.

"Damn you, Weirdo... Damn you for being right!" - Paul

Doc Swift

  • Freelance Writer
  • Warrant Officer
  • *
  • Posts: 764
  • Buy my new book on Amazon!
    • My Amazon Author page
Re: The Scorpion Empire: All your Warhawks are belong to us
« Reply #241 on: 23 March 2022, 11:15:43 »
It's not just availability. This is the Deep Periphery. It's like the old frontier. People don't stop using something that still works, or that can be fixed at any extent. They'd use their old, small DropShips until they simply fell apart and could no longer reach orbit. Even if they had the money to buy a new, larger vessel, they'd refuse while the old one still ran.

Weirdo

  • Painter of Borth the Magic Puma
  • Catalyst Demo Team
  • Major General
  • *
  • Posts: 41417
  • We can do it. We have to.
    • Christina Dickinson Writes
Re: The Scorpion Empire: All your Warhawks are belong to us
« Reply #242 on: 23 March 2022, 12:28:26 »
I imagine the same would apply to designs for DropShips. Their yards might have the specs for Mules, but they know Manatees like the backs of their hands and know how to build those so they'll last centuries. They probably still build Mules and Dictators because sometimes you NEED the capacity, but the older ship is just too well trusted to abandon.
My wife writes books

Sixteen tons means sixteen suits. CT must be repaired.

"Damn you, Weirdo... Damn you for being right!" - Paul

Wrangler

  • Lieutenant General
  • *
  • Posts: 25684
  • Dang it!
    • Battletech Fanon Wiki
Re: The Scorpion Empire: All your Warhawks are belong to us
« Reply #243 on: 24 March 2022, 15:14:58 »
MoC managed acquire some pristine Dictators during the Jihad. They had to come from somewhere.  There no heavy industry in their end of the universe aside from their own, which last I check didn't include Dictators. 
"Men, fetch the Urbanmechs.  We have an interrogation to attend to." - jklantern
"How do you defeat a Dragau? Shoot the damn thing. Lots." - Jellico 
"No, it's a "Most Awesome Blues Brothers scene Reenactment EVER" waiting to happen." VotW Destrier - Weirdo  
"It's 200 LY to Sian, we got a full load of shells, a half a platoon of Grenadiers, it's exploding outside, and we're wearing flak jackets." VoTW Destrier - Misterpants
-Editor on Battletech Fanon Wiki

Weirdo

  • Painter of Borth the Magic Puma
  • Catalyst Demo Team
  • Major General
  • *
  • Posts: 41417
  • We can do it. We have to.
    • Christina Dickinson Writes
Re: The Scorpion Empire: All your Warhawks are belong to us
« Reply #244 on: 24 March 2022, 15:16:09 »
What does that have to do with the Hansa?
My wife writes books

Sixteen tons means sixteen suits. CT must be repaired.

"Damn you, Weirdo... Damn you for being right!" - Paul

Wrangler

  • Lieutenant General
  • *
  • Posts: 25684
  • Dang it!
    • Battletech Fanon Wiki
Re: The Scorpion Empire: All your Warhawks are belong to us
« Reply #245 on: 30 March 2022, 13:14:02 »
What does that have to do with the Hansa?
Aren't they building them too?
"Men, fetch the Urbanmechs.  We have an interrogation to attend to." - jklantern
"How do you defeat a Dragau? Shoot the damn thing. Lots." - Jellico 
"No, it's a "Most Awesome Blues Brothers scene Reenactment EVER" waiting to happen." VotW Destrier - Weirdo  
"It's 200 LY to Sian, we got a full load of shells, a half a platoon of Grenadiers, it's exploding outside, and we're wearing flak jackets." VoTW Destrier - Misterpants
-Editor on Battletech Fanon Wiki

Weirdo

  • Painter of Borth the Magic Puma
  • Catalyst Demo Team
  • Major General
  • *
  • Posts: 41417
  • We can do it. We have to.
    • Christina Dickinson Writes
Re: The Scorpion Empire: All your Warhawks are belong to us
« Reply #246 on: 30 March 2022, 14:33:30 »
They have some. Whether they're building any is unknown.  And that still doesn't make comments about the MoC(which is almost literally on the exact opposite side of inhabited space) relevant to this thread, unless you're implying one of these incredibly distant nations is selling Dictators to the other.
My wife writes books

Sixteen tons means sixteen suits. CT must be repaired.

"Damn you, Weirdo... Damn you for being right!" - Paul

Nerroth

  • Captain
  • *
  • Posts: 2668
Re: The Scorpion Empire: All your Warhawks are belong to us
« Reply #247 on: 31 March 2022, 21:07:33 »
It might be a while before the Master Unit List is updated to account for the Scorpion Empire of the IlClan Era. That said, in light of the events portrayed in Spotlight On: Hellion Keshik, might it be possible for certain Dark Age-era IS Clan General units, such as the Hammerhead BattleMech, might now be available (even in limited numbers) to the Scorpion touman?

CJC070

  • Lieutenant
  • *
  • Posts: 1140
Re: The Scorpion Empire: All your Warhawks are belong to us
« Reply #248 on: 31 March 2022, 22:47:58 »
It might be a while before the Master Unit List is updated to account for the Scorpion Empire of the IlClan Era. That said, in light of the events portrayed in Spotlight On: Hellion Keshik, might it be possible for certain Dark Age-era IS Clan General units, such as the Hammerhead BattleMech, might now be available (even in limited numbers) to the Scorpion touman?

Unless something changes it depends on how many the Scorpions can bid, buy, or batchall.

Doc Swift

  • Freelance Writer
  • Warrant Officer
  • *
  • Posts: 764
  • Buy my new book on Amazon!
    • My Amazon Author page
Re: The Scorpion Empire: All your Warhawks are belong to us
« Reply #249 on: 01 April 2022, 11:48:00 »
I'd rather see the Goliath Scorpions see what's being used in the IS and develop their own units to counter them.

BrianDavion

  • Captain
  • *
  • Posts: 2175
Re: The Scorpion Empire: All your Warhawks are belong to us
« Reply #250 on: 01 April 2022, 12:19:56 »
I'd rather see the Goliath Scorpions see what's being used in the IS and develop their own units to counter them.

To do so ideally they'd wanna have their own versions to test and examine in depth.. best of both worlds :)
The Suns will shine again

CJC070

  • Lieutenant
  • *
  • Posts: 1140
Re: The Scorpion Empire: All your Warhawks are belong to us
« Reply #251 on: 01 April 2022, 14:14:29 »
So we might see the reconquista omni aka Orion omni from the Goliath Scorpions.

Doc Swift

  • Freelance Writer
  • Warrant Officer
  • *
  • Posts: 764
  • Buy my new book on Amazon!
    • My Amazon Author page
Re: The Scorpion Empire: All your Warhawks are belong to us
« Reply #252 on: 01 April 2022, 14:36:36 »
To do so ideally they'd wanna have their own versions to test and examine in depth.. best of both worlds :)

They have simulators for that.

Starfury

  • Lieutenant
  • *
  • Posts: 921
Re: The Scorpion Empire: All your Warhawks are belong to us
« Reply #253 on: 01 April 2022, 17:30:11 »
All I want are Scorpion Empire configs for the Perseus and a Clan Banshee 3S, because I want to see people scream in terror as a 95 ton oft disdained unit turns them into paste...

Weirdo

  • Painter of Borth the Magic Puma
  • Catalyst Demo Team
  • Major General
  • *
  • Posts: 41417
  • We can do it. We have to.
    • Christina Dickinson Writes
Re: The Scorpion Empire: All your Warhawks are belong to us
« Reply #254 on: 01 April 2022, 17:57:33 »
...Clan Banshee...

Two fists or dezgra.
My wife writes books

Sixteen tons means sixteen suits. CT must be repaired.

"Damn you, Weirdo... Damn you for being right!" - Paul

Flaresnake

  • Master Sergeant
  • *
  • Posts: 340
  • The Star League is Eternal
Re: The Scorpion Empire: All your Warhawks are belong to us
« Reply #255 on: 01 April 2022, 21:58:07 »
All I want are Scorpion Empire configs for the Perseus and a Clan Banshee 3S, because I want to see people scream in terror as a 95 ton oft disdained unit turns them into paste...

There is already a clan Banshee, its the Regent.
"I'm not a warrior, I'm a soldier. There's a difference. Warriors attack and conquer, they prey on the weak. Soldiers defend and protect the innocent—usually from warriors."-Carth Onasi


Starfury

  • Lieutenant
  • *
  • Posts: 921
Re: The Scorpion Empire: All your Warhawks are belong to us
« Reply #256 on: 01 April 2022, 23:43:47 »
Nah, we need a proper Banshee C.  If we can get an Urbanmech IIC, a Banshee C should be no issue.

Doc Swift

  • Freelance Writer
  • Warrant Officer
  • *
  • Posts: 764
  • Buy my new book on Amazon!
    • My Amazon Author page
Re: The Scorpion Empire: All your Warhawks are belong to us
« Reply #257 on: 02 April 2022, 00:36:44 »
The League built Banshees (likely the BNC-3S and the -5S) on Falsterbo, so it's certainly possible, given the Scorpions took the AWS-9Q built on Braunschweig and turned out the Awesome C. Thus, the result would probably be a Banshee C, with its origin as the -3S or -5S obscure without a TRO writeup.

Ruger

  • BattleTech Volunteer
  • Major
  • *
  • Posts: 5675
Re: The Scorpion Empire: All your Warhawks are belong to us
« Reply #258 on: 02 April 2022, 04:22:03 »
The League built Banshees (likely the BNC-3S and the -5S) on Falsterbo, so it's certainly possible, given the Scorpions took the AWS-9Q built on Braunschweig and turned out the Awesome C. Thus, the result would probably be a Banshee C, with its origin as the -3S or -5S obscure without a TRO writeup.

One could do quite worse than simply converting the Banshee-3S to Clan-tech. You could do some nasty things with it.

Ruger
"If someone ever tries to kill you, you try to kill 'em right back." - Malcolm Reynolds, Firefly

"Who I am is where I stand. Where I stand is where I fall...Stand with me." - The Doctor, The Doctor Falls, Doctor Who

Starfury

  • Lieutenant
  • *
  • Posts: 921
Re: The Scorpion Empire: All your Warhawks are belong to us
« Reply #259 on: 02 April 2022, 20:37:29 »
Yup, they are.  I've built a 3 and a 5S Banshee C for the Scorpion Empire, along with a Zeus C and Thunderbolt C 3.  I figure the Wasp 3M, Locust 3S, Phoenix Hawk 3D, 3S, and Wolverine 7D lines will get either converted to C or IIC lines, dismantled, or issued to PGCs.  The Surtur I'd next on my list since I can see plasma cannons and Clan SRMs in its future... 

I am curious about the former Hansa tank lines.  Would the SE bother with them, or just issue the equipment as is? Inquiring minds want to know....

Doc Swift

  • Freelance Writer
  • Warrant Officer
  • *
  • Posts: 764
  • Buy my new book on Amazon!
    • My Amazon Author page
Re: The Scorpion Empire: All your Warhawks are belong to us
« Reply #260 on: 02 April 2022, 21:20:09 »
I think that even the Scorpions would acknowledge the utility of Demolishers. I also think there will always be a need for such units for solahma warriors and those who either fail their Trial of Position or need a second try to take it. Vehicles are a good place for those who can still contribute militarily but are lesser-skilled than those who pass their trial and become MechWarriors.

Starfury

  • Lieutenant
  • *
  • Posts: 921
Re: The Scorpion Empire: All your Warhawks are belong to us
« Reply #261 on: 02 April 2022, 23:24:06 »
Thanks for the quick response, Doc. I appreciate all of your willingness to answer questions about the Scorpion Empire.

Doc Swift

  • Freelance Writer
  • Warrant Officer
  • *
  • Posts: 764
  • Buy my new book on Amazon!
    • My Amazon Author page
Re: The Scorpion Empire: All your Warhawks are belong to us
« Reply #262 on: 02 April 2022, 23:39:02 »
For now, I'm the one who knows the most about them. When that changes, hopefully my successor does the same!

Drewbacca

  • Major
  • *
  • Posts: 3442
  • What could have been...
Re: The Scorpion Empire: All your Warhawks are belong to us
« Reply #263 on: 07 April 2022, 19:26:47 »
Finally got around to reading the Scorpion story in Shrapnel 6.  I like the way the Empire is developing, but I am sad to see protomechs go away.

DarkISI

  • Praedonum Dominus
  • Freelance Writer
  • Lieutenant Colonel
  • *
  • Posts: 7211
  • https://amzn.to/3Dm3bvj
    • My Author Website
Re: The Scorpion Empire: All your Warhawks are belong to us
« Reply #264 on: 08 April 2022, 06:47:41 »
Finally got around to reading the Scorpion story in Shrapnel 6.  I like the way the Empire is developing, but I am sad to see protomechs go away.

Glad you liked the story. Protomechs were simply not something that could be realistically explained being available to the Empire. They had to move a lot of stuff. They are upgrading existing production lines. Protomechs are a very unique technology there is nothing in their new realm to use as a stepping stone. There were higher priorities.
It's one of the things Goeff told me to put in there, other things we talked about and developed together. We were coordinating pretty much everything in this story to paint one big Scorpion Empire image over all the products in the pipeline. Pretty sure the PM extinction did also show up in one of the other sources released recently.
German novelist and part time Battletech writer.


HPG Station - German Battletech News

"if they didn't want to be stomped to death by a psychotic gang of battlemechs, they shouldn't have fallen down" - Liam's Ghost

Drewbacca

  • Major
  • *
  • Posts: 3442
  • What could have been...
Re: The Scorpion Empire: All your Warhawks are belong to us
« Reply #265 on: 08 April 2022, 08:04:31 »
Are there any other Empire stories out there?

Drewbacca

  • Major
  • *
  • Posts: 3442
  • What could have been...
Re: The Scorpion Empire: All your Warhawks are belong to us
« Reply #266 on: 08 April 2022, 09:54:55 »
Another question, is the MUL up to date for the Empire?

Sartris

  • Codex Conditor
  • BattleTech Volunteer
  • Colonel
  • *
  • Posts: 20102
  • Cap’n-Generalissimost
    • Master Unit List
Re: The Scorpion Empire: All your Warhawks are belong to us
« Reply #267 on: 08 April 2022, 10:21:36 »
Yes

You bought the box set and are ready to expand your bt experience. Now what? | Modern Sourcebook Index | FASA Sourcebook Index | Print on Demand Index
Equipment Reference Cards | DIY Pilot Cards | PaperTech Mech and Vehicle Counters

Quote
Interviewer: Since you’ve stopped making art, how do you spend your time?
Paul Chan Breathers: Oh, I’m a breather. I’m a respirateur. Isn’t that enough?

DarkISI

  • Praedonum Dominus
  • Freelance Writer
  • Lieutenant Colonel
  • *
  • Posts: 7211
  • https://amzn.to/3Dm3bvj
    • My Author Website
Re: The Scorpion Empire: All your Warhawks are belong to us
« Reply #268 on: 08 April 2022, 10:22:37 »
Are there any other Empire stories out there?

Not to my knowledge, no.
German novelist and part time Battletech writer.


HPG Station - German Battletech News

"if they didn't want to be stomped to death by a psychotic gang of battlemechs, they shouldn't have fallen down" - Liam's Ghost

Doc Swift

  • Freelance Writer
  • Warrant Officer
  • *
  • Posts: 764
  • Buy my new book on Amazon!
    • My Amazon Author page
Re: The Scorpion Empire: All your Warhawks are belong to us
« Reply #269 on: 08 April 2022, 11:00:00 »
Glad you liked the story. Protomechs were simply not something that could be realistically explained being available to the Empire. They had to move a lot of stuff. They are upgrading existing production lines. Protomechs are a very unique technology there is nothing in their new realm to use as a stepping stone. There were higher priorities.
It's one of the things Goeff told me to put in there, other things we talked about and developed together. We were coordinating pretty much everything in this story to paint one big Scorpion Empire image over all the products in the pipeline. Pretty sure the PM extinction did also show up in one of the other sources released recently.

Who?  :(