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« Reply #540 on: 14 February 2023, 14:47:12 »
I don't know if any of their Galaxies have been classified as second-line...

Conventional infantry should be expected to be a solahma posting.

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« Reply #541 on: 14 February 2023, 14:55:16 »
It's strange, the Scorpion Empire only has one Galaxy that I'd confidently call second-line: Grunt Galaxy. Mu and Tau used be second-line, but OTP: Hanseatic Crusade definitely characterizes them as offensive formations. Omega feels like it should be a second-line formation but it's hard to tell. Seeker Galaxy doesn't even seem to be second-line, despite so many of them piloting vintage Star League Mechs instead of Omnis. It's a very top-heavy touman. I'd love to see another second-line Galaxy formed that incorporates the Hansa, but the touman already seems a bit large as it is.
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« Reply #542 on: 14 February 2023, 15:08:48 »
Grunt Caste garrisons probably use plenty of conventional troops as well.
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« Reply #543 on: 14 February 2023, 15:11:56 »
I know that RAT are not usually the best way to see the actual composition of a formation, but looking at OTP:HC, both Omega and PGC/Grunt uses almost exclusively 2nd Line mechs (non-omni) (with the exception of the Naga). Also the information given to Omega camo scheme mentions tanks in addition to mech, asf and BAs. Usually only 2nd Line and PGC use clans (outside of CHH of course).
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« Reply #544 on: 14 February 2023, 15:12:51 »
Grunt Caste garrisons probably use plenty of conventional troops as well.

Yep, their descriptor in ISP3 flat-out says they're primarily vehicles and conventional infantry, assigned to security and police forces.
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« Reply #545 on: 14 February 2023, 16:15:46 »
Anything that described the touman pre-Crusade/Empire could certainly have changed. And I don't see why they might not have vehicles in front-line Clusters. They have so much territory to secure that I tend to think their touman still needs to grow.

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« Reply #546 on: 14 February 2023, 16:36:50 »
So with the Scorpions having an enclave in the Chaine Cluster now, connected back to the Empire proper by repeater stations, it occurs to me that a fun name for said enclave would be the Stinger, if one considers the line of repeater stations to be the "tail" leading back to the body. Part of me kinda wants to submit a Shrapnel story and make that happen.  ;D
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« Reply #547 on: 14 February 2023, 17:22:29 »
Checking the Scorpion Empire MUL mech list for an Omega force, i came upon the Naja, a very interesting mech from TRO:GC. A very old CCC mech, it was last avaible during the Clan Invasion, but looks like that both the Naja and its predecesor, the Kintaro -19b-EC, are avible to the SE since the Late republic Era, with only the Naja going so far to the IlClan Era.

Nasty medium for second line forces, and even uses "improved" SRM systems, a step between the IS and Clan missile systems.
iirc, didn't they empty out all the brian caches they could get a hold of before they left the homeworlds? i would assume a lot of the oddities like that were the result of them grabbing anything that was in serviceable shape. they didn't have the ability to be picky at that time.

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« Reply #548 on: 14 February 2023, 17:29:08 »
their imperio roster definitely was designed to be whatever they could beg, borrow, or steal on their way out. it was a combination of the jihad touman, cache looting, and the waypoint 531 gear stashed by the wobbies

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« Reply #549 on: 14 February 2023, 17:31:27 »
Anything that described the touman pre-Crusade/Empire could certainly have changed. And I don't see why they might not have vehicles in front-line Clusters. They have so much territory to secure that I tend to think their touman still needs to grow.

Here's hoping it didn't. That was a fun bit, and anything that sets the Scorpions apart from other Clans is inherently a good thing. Besides, as you've mentioned, they've got a lot of territory to garrison, and did even before the Crusade, what with all those new colonies. They *need* cheap grunt forces to secure the frontiers of their empire.

their imperio roster definitely was designed to be whatever they could beg, borrow, or steal on their way out. it was a combination of the jihad touman, cache looting, and the waypoint 531 gear stashed by the wobbies
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« Reply #550 on: 14 February 2023, 19:31:30 »
So with the Scorpions having an enclave in the Chaine Cluster now, connected back to the Empire proper by repeater stations, it occurs to me that a fun name for said enclave would be the Stinger, if one considers the line of repeater stations to be the "tail" leading back to the body. Part of me kinda wants to submit a Shrapnel story and make that happen.  ;D
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« Reply #551 on: 14 February 2023, 20:41:27 »
their imperio roster definitely was designed to be whatever they could beg, borrow, or steal on their way out. it was a combination of the jihad touman, cache looting, and the waypoint 531 gear stashed by the wobbies

I am not well versed in the WoR, but were the Scorps allied or friendly yo the Cobras in any way, or they had acess to the Cobras´s depots?
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« Reply #552 on: 14 February 2023, 21:04:03 »
So what production lines from the Hanseatic Leauge would be upgraded or replaced?

We know they produced the following based on a couple of sources

Awesome 8Q and 9Q
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« Reply #553 on: 14 February 2023, 21:07:28 »
We know of at the very least one Awesome C, so there is a chance that the Awesome line is used to created that variant.But keeping with the current examples of the Wolf Empire with he captured ex-FWL plants, the lines can be use to make almost anything the Scorpions have the acess to designs and parts.
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« Reply #554 on: 14 February 2023, 22:03:00 »
I am not well versed in the WoR, but were the Scorps allied or friendly yo the Cobras in any way, or they had acess to the Cobras´s depots?

As I recall, the Cobras led the charge on Abjuring the Goliath Scorpions. If they were close before the WoR, they certainly weren't by the end of it.
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« Reply #555 on: 14 February 2023, 23:47:19 »
Given how common Pixies were in the Hansa’s RATs, I’ve always had some head canon that said that Phoenix Hawk lines would be early converts. Of course, in my head it’s to both Cs and C2s, MUL or no MUL.

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« Reply #556 on: 15 February 2023, 07:55:55 »
I can see the Locust lines changing to Locust IIC. It already happened in the OZ/WE.
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« Reply #557 on: 15 February 2023, 15:04:41 »
Going back to Omega Galaxy (sorry, i am not obsessed, i am thinking in making a AS force for it), how probable is for them to field Omnis? Maybe a Star Commander/Captain would have one?
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« Reply #558 on: 15 February 2023, 15:20:24 »
Going back to Omega Galaxy (sorry, i am not obsessed, i am thinking in making a AS force for it), how probable is for them to field Omnis? Maybe a Star Commander/Captain would have one?

Not terribly probable according to their RATs (only the Naga is even listed), but a commander can always justify rocking an Omni in a faction that has access to them.
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« Reply #559 on: 15 February 2023, 15:38:22 »
Not terribly probable according to their RATs (only the Naga is even listed), but a commander can always justify rocking an Omni in a faction that has access to them.

Yeah, that has been always a thing since i have memory. Problem is that i came into problems trying to integrate BAs into my force without omnis to carry. They either go hopping around, or i have to get them a carrier.
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« Reply #560 on: 15 February 2023, 16:01:45 »
OmniMechs are for wusses. REAL Elementals ride into battle in a-Aw, the Clan Saladin is extinct. :'(

Ah well, there's always airmobile deployments, which we know the Scorpions love. And if a Kirghiz is too expensive, they do have access to things like the Mk VII. >:D
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« Reply #561 on: 15 February 2023, 16:02:41 »
Yeah, that has been always a thing since i have memory. Problem is that i came into problems trying to integrate BAs into my force without omnis to carry. They either go hopping around, or i have to get them a carrier.

There's a reason I made sure to give the Empire the ability to build BA with magclamps.  :)

I would have no problem with OmniMechs in Omega Galaxy. Once they have sufficient OmniMech production capacity, non-Omnis would be replaced everywhere, save where pilots choose otherwise. Seeker Galaxy, for example, is where one would expect old SL 'Mechs. Eta might favor any non-Omnis built on former Hansa worlds. Omega's non-Omnis would be sent to PGCs and solahma units.

The intent, of course, would be to equip their entire touman with the best equipment they can build. Their resources are not limited as they might have been in the Homeworlds. They should have a production excess (this is shown in Spotlight On: Hellion Keshik, in that the MechWarriors each have two 'Mechs), so after filling out their own ranks, they can export the rest via the vast Hansa merchant fleet. The exported equipment, one might guess, would not be their top-of-the-line products. No need to give potential foes your best stuff.

One thing on Sarna that I take issue with is that Grunt Galaxy is listed as part of the touman. Grunt Galaxy was formed during the Crusade out of desperation, due to casualties exceeding projections. It would not have remained a Galaxy after the Crusade. Those troops would have reverted to their PGCs (or law enforcement, whatever) after the Crusade. (At least I don't believe it's stated anywhere that it became a permanent Galaxy...)


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« Reply #562 on: 15 February 2023, 16:32:42 »
While I get the reasoning why they'd disband after the Hanseatic Crusade, I hope Grunt Galaxy sticks around. The more unique flavor the Scorpion Empire has to make them stand out against other Clan fusion states (the RasDom, the Raven Alliance), the better, and having a dedicated garrison force in such a top-heavy touman can only be a positive.

Besides, someone's gonna have to hold down the fort when the Homeworld Clans come along to crush the Empire.  ;D
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« Reply #563 on: 15 February 2023, 20:02:37 »
There's a reason I made sure to give the Empire the ability to build BA with magclamps.  :)


Wich one, the MUL do not list any BA with XMEC for the Scorps.
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« Reply #564 on: 15 February 2023, 20:25:03 »
Spotlight On: Hellion Keshik is a good resource.

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« Reply #565 on: 15 February 2023, 20:48:27 »
Spotlight On: Hellion Keshik is a good resource.

I knew i was not crazy! Sadly, the MUL have no updated its availability yet for the Empire. Will try to negotiate its inclusion to the small tournament i will be playing.
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« Reply #566 on: 15 February 2023, 21:50:44 »
There's gotta be a way to summon Sartris, right?

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« Reply #567 on: 15 February 2023, 21:51:51 »
$10,000 in cash is amazingly effective

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« Reply #568 on: 15 February 2023, 21:55:55 »
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« Reply #569 on: 15 February 2023, 22:33:05 »
I hope you've been saving, BM!

Would you take argentine pesos instead?  ;D
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