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Re: The Scorpion Empire: All your Warhawks are belong to us
« Reply #570 on: 17 February 2023, 12:55:21 »
From the onset of Operation REVIVAL through to the outbreak of the Wars of Reaving, it was possible for the Khans of the Invading Clans to "phone in" remotely to Clan Grand Council meetings back on Strana Mechty.

In principle, the establishment of an HPG relay from the Empire proper to the Chaine Cluster could allow for a similar long-range line of communication, but in reverse: from Braunschweig through to Terra, depending on what kind of progress the Sea Foxes make on restoring the Inner Sphere and near Periphery HPG network.

To this point, I've been wondering if such a thing might lead to direct negotiations between the Empire's leadership and Alaric Ward himself - perhaps in parallel with any other Clan Khans on the new would-be Star League's Council - to determine whether or not Clan Goliath Scorpion would be "un-Abjured" at least, or perhaps granted a place on the Council at most.

But then, the zarKhan is in no hurry to accede to the authority of an IlClan - and given Alaric's antics in Dominions Divided, it's as yet unclear as to what (if any) favourable terms the IlKhan might be willing to offer the Scorpion Empire at any rate.

So, here's a thought... what if the Scorpions were to open side negotiations with the Hell's Horses?

On the one hand, that might be a handy means of increasing the number of QuadVee-using factions from one to two. On the other hand, perhaps the Horses might welcome a source of functional HPGs which was something other than Clan Sea Fox. And if the first round of negotiations with Alaric were to fall through, the Horse OZ might serve as a useful barrier... at least until a further round of negotiations proved more fruitful.

Or to put it another way: perhaps the Scorpion leadership would be best served by keeping its options open, by opening negotiations with Alaric on the one hand, and with the Horse Khans on the other?
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« Reply #571 on: 18 February 2023, 00:20:52 »
Yeah, they can afford to play the long game, as per their location.

(Except when the Homeworld Clans perhaps in 50 years ? Invade the coreward side of the IS, and do a side strike against the Scorps too ?)

But, as it stands, does not the position of the zarKhan say that they "may" work with the new SLDF if it aligns with their goals, but not submit to it ?

Do the Scorps still see themselves as the closest to the "real" Star League, given their new fusion society now, and ELH genes too ?

Would they make a play with the Horses (disgruntled Bears?) for leadership, or again are they content with what they have

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« Reply #572 on: 20 February 2023, 10:05:14 »
Well, i did 2 versions of the same Nova for a test AS tournament using the Wolfnet Radio "350pv" rules.

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Infiltrator Mk. II Battle Armor (Magnetic) (Sqd5) Infantry 4 17
Gnome Battle Armor (Sqd5) Infantry                             3 24
                                               

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Storm Crow A  BattleMech        3       54
Sun Bear A     BattleMech         3      60
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Elemental Battle Armor [Flamer] (Sqd5) Infantry 4 20
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« Reply #573 on: 21 February 2023, 07:06:08 »
Well, ended up using the 2nd line feel" Nova for two diferent games (Capture the Flag & Bunkers). As per the tourney rules you use 200 in each mission of your 350 force, i left the Naja out in the two mission as it was way to expensive. Win one and lost one, and in times, it felt like a Hellion force, going full speed and agression to get to the objectives. MVPs were the Incubus/Vixen and the Lunx C, as the Goshawk had bad luck both times, and the Sun Bear became a fire magnet. The poor Infiltrators Mk. II magnetic were also fire magnets in the "Bunkers" mission.
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« Reply #574 on: 22 February 2023, 13:04:16 »
I think a war between the Scorpion Empire and the Home Clans would be a deadlock. Neither would win. An ongoing bloody quagmire.
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« Reply #575 on: 22 February 2023, 13:19:39 »
I think a war between the Scorpion Empire and the Home Clans would be a deadlock. Neither would win. An ongoing bloody quagmire.

The Adders alone could overwhelm the Scorpion Empire if they applied themselves. Especially if they leveraged their still-considerable fleet and engaged in orbital bombardment (the Scorpions are dezgra and Abjured so there's no obligation or expectation for the other Clans to fight them honorably). Throw in the Cobras, Coyotes and Lions, and it's a wrap for the Scorps.

If not for the Home Clans being relegated to the storage closet, there wouldn't be a Scorpion Empire right now.
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« Reply #576 on: 22 February 2023, 13:59:01 »
We do not know the status of the Home Clans.
I agree given the status of the 3090ies (last infos we got) the Home Clans would crush the Empire.

But now, the Empire has gotten far stronger. The Home Clans are the Known Unknown, they could now be only as strong as the Empire. 
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« Reply #577 on: 22 February 2023, 14:20:24 »
I wouldn't say they've gotten "far" stronger. The Empire has only added a single new Galaxy (Eta; Grunt Galaxy is, per Swift's comment above, not intended to be a permanent formation but I can't imagine it wouldn't be reactivated if they were invaded) and padded their existing Galaxies by 13 Clusters since the 3080s. Even with the Home Clans' 3080s strength as a measuring stick (and I personally assume they're growing their toumans in preparation for future invasion), the Scorpion Empire couldn't hope to stand against a sustained invasion by the Home Clans, especially with them having a plethora of WarShips and the proven will to use them. There's just no way that the Adders wouldn't just bomb the Scorps from orbit if things got untenable on the ground, and that, as they say, would be that. It's literally company fiat keeping the Home Clans locked away that the Empire even exists right now; the Adders were already sniffing around the Hanseatic League, scouting staging worlds and planning an invasion of their own, and that's not even considering the other Home Clans' participation. It wouldn't necessarily be a one-sided/lopsided conflict, mind you, but the Scorpions would definitely lose the war at the end of the day.
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« Reply #578 on: 22 February 2023, 20:22:00 »
I'm with Tassa, the Homeworlds would likely steamroll the Scorpions in a direct invasion if it ever comes to that.

But, it's actually the flourishing of the Scorpion Empire that makes me fear the Homeworlds aren't coming back. I don't believe I recall a single mention of the Homeworlds in the Hanseatic Crusade OTP, it was all in the perspective of the Scorpions righting wrongs committed by the Hansa, not so much as a peep about needing to prepare to someday fight the figurative leviathan known to reside just down the galactic way. Neuva Castille's neighborhood was the only other place the Homeworld Clans were ever seen after the Reavings, and to see the Scorps so unconcerned with that corner as they make all these grand plans and challenge the Sea Foxes in the Chainelaines leads me to believe there will be nothing to threaten them, as they don't even seem to be looking in that direction. And they're the ones closest to the hypothetical danger. I've no doubt there is info that I'm not privy to, but my hopes are dampened after the past 10+ years of silence from that region IRL.
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« Reply #579 on: 22 February 2023, 21:03:03 »
After all it is possible that the Homeworlds are now nearly dead..  and the Clanners who survive there are loosing their "Tech", after all didn't they kill the Science Class?
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« Reply #580 on: 22 February 2023, 21:13:35 »
I wouldn't read into the lack of mention of the Homeworlds as any sort of indicator of the Scorpions' fears or intentions.

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« Reply #581 on: 22 February 2023, 21:31:40 »
I wouldn't read into the lack of mention of the Homeworlds as any sort of indicator of the Scorpions' fears or intentions.

I certainly won't. The Homeworld Clans should be at the very top of the Scorpions' list of external concerns.
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« Reply #582 on: 23 February 2023, 09:02:09 »
At the very least they can continue to serve their purpose as the boogeyman threat that always looms but never arrives. It serves the narrative in that it gives the Scorpions a reason to continue on as they are because, really, what good is a clan society without war or the threat of it?
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Re: The Scorpion Empire: All your Warhawks are belong to us
« Reply #583 on: 26 February 2023, 01:54:39 »
Fast forward to 3180 ? Homies Invasion of Coreward IS ? And are "really different" from how we left them era 3090

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« Reply #584 on: 26 February 2023, 02:34:52 »
Fast forward to 3180 ? Homies Invasion of Coreward IS ? And are "really different" from how we left them era 3075

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« Reply #585 on: 26 February 2023, 03:13:37 »
Minor nitpick...

3090 was correct, as that's the in-universe date in the WoR Supplemental and that was our last look at the Homeworld Clans.
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« Reply #586 on: 26 February 2023, 05:29:13 »
The one Homie advantage is their WarShips.

With the resources the Empire now has, it's logical they will establish an Imperial Navy with WarShips to augment their current Big Three.

If the Imperial Navy has time to grow to a sufficient number, the Homies will just have to bypass the Empire and invade the IS outright.

And that's assuming the Homie storyline goes the positive route and they are allowed to thrive post-3090.

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« Reply #587 on: 26 February 2023, 10:58:11 »
I think that’s a pretty big if, mind you.


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« Reply #588 on: 26 February 2023, 16:07:42 »
Gaining a real WarShip fleet would make losing Protos worth it. Maybe also the loss of the Blakist gear, if the WarShips aren't half-assed.
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« Reply #589 on: 26 February 2023, 22:51:01 »
I think that’s a pretty big if, mind you.

Why not? The Homies have a massively disproportionate touman and fleet ratio to their populations and worlds/resources. A developing realm like the Empire can easily build shipyards in the rimward Hansa systems after a few years and start producing JumpShips and WarShips.

They will have to build shipyards to service and produce JumpShips and those are dual purpose with WarShip construction capability once their merchant marine reaches sufficient size to cover trade routes.

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« Reply #590 on: 26 February 2023, 23:11:54 »
The Brekke Naval Yard is also kinda sitting there. Who knows if it's still sufficiently defended...  ;D

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« Reply #591 on: 26 February 2023, 23:32:57 »
As much as I love the idea, warships haven't be made in a while at the time of the Ilclan (except for the Alshain). Without the yards for building them or even Jumpships, as far as we know, they are unlikely to do so. They may want to start with assault dropships and pocket warships.     
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« Reply #592 on: 26 February 2023, 23:35:12 »
The Brekke Naval Yard is also kinda sitting there. Who knows if it's still sufficiently defended...  ;D

Taking that would start a war with the Sea Foxes which is unlikely to end well no matter the outcome.
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« Reply #593 on: 27 February 2023, 01:16:28 »
Any war with the Foxes will likely involve Alaric's arbitration.

Of course, hypothetical JumpShip/WarShip yards can only be built by the Empire at the earliest 5-10 years down the road

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« Reply #594 on: 27 February 2023, 07:48:39 »
As much as I love the idea, WarShips haven't been made in a while at the time of the Ilclan (except for the Alshain).

Was Alshain ever explicitly confirmed to be a WarShip? Was Emerald Talon II, for that matter?
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« Reply #595 on: 27 February 2023, 08:08:55 »
Taking that would star a war with the Sea Foxes which is unlikely to end well no matter the outcome.

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« Reply #596 on: 27 February 2023, 08:14:20 »
Was Alshain ever explicitly confirmed to be a WarShip? Was Emerald Talon II, for that matter?

In the RasDom thread it was confirmed it was written like it was a warship. If this is explicit and means the same in universe I’m not sure.
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« Reply #597 on: 27 February 2023, 08:53:50 »
Do you have a link, please?
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« Reply #599 on: 27 February 2023, 10:47:41 »
That's confirmation, all right. And it helps wrap up an older ship, too! :thumbsup:
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