The Scorpion Empire: All your Warhawks are belong to us

[tassa_kay]

The Brekke Naval Yard is also kinda sitting there. Who knows if it's still sufficiently defended...  ;D

The Brekke facilities don't have the capability of building WarShips or JumpShips, unfortunately. And I can't imagine the Foxes would leave such a valuable investment (they upgraded the yards to increase their size fivefold) undefended.

[LordTree]

For starting a Scorpion boi force, which of the force packs do y'all think would be the best? I'm still new to a lot of the lore so I'm really not sure. I'm planning on doing Tau galaxy cause I like the color scheme (and that they don't die) if that helps.

Also, if I wanted to use some combined arms/vehicles are there any lore friendly ones? Especially getting into like dark age and ilClan.

[Doc Swift]

Most of Tau was lost in the end stages of the Hanseatic Crusade.

[LordTree]

Most of Tau was lost in the end stages of the Hanseatic Crusade.

Most? So they still live lol. What do you think are the chances that they are reinforced/rebuilt or would they be dissolved?

[Weirdo]

Nothing is dead and gone until a published book explicitly says so. And even then, said death is often impermanent. Go have fun. :thumbsup:

[Saint]

The great thing about the Scorpions is you van mix and match. A clan Fire star will work, but a comstar battle level II will also work.

[Doc Swift]

Most? So they still live lol. What do you think are the chances that they are reinforced/rebuilt or would they be dissolved?

As noted, nothing was stated that they were removed from the rolls. That doesn't mean it didn't happen. It means that I left the door open for someone to make that choice as it might suit their needs for a later story or sourcebook.  :)

[Reldn]

Most? So they still live lol. What do you think are the chances that they are reinforced/rebuilt or would they be dissolved?

Tau Galaxy is still around per "Moving Forward":

Mild spoilers for those who've not read it:
[spoiler]"Peter had also told her the Preserver faction was in an uproar. One of them had already died in a failed trial against the Khan. More had challenged him, but his rank allowed him to choose which challenges he would accept. Because of this, Tau Galaxy was in need of a new Galaxy Commander."[/spoiler]

[Doc Swift]

Could be a revived formation after the first was dissolved (same name, different composition/doctrine, whatever). Lots can happen in an undescribed decade.

[tassa_kay]

Dissolving it in the first place is pretty silly. The Empire was able to whip up a whole new Galaxy (Eta) in just a few years, so I don't see why they wouldn't have just replenished Tau during the aftermath of the Crusade. They obviously had the manpower and material to do it.

[LordTree]

So I know how they've made the Awesome C, is there a chance they've done similar sorts of stuff for traditional combat vehicles? I know clans in general don't like vehicles but I'd think with how many more troops they'd need they would need to use them. Especially in the Grunt Galaxy and/or for freebirth soldiers?

also anyone else think it'd be cool if the Scorpion Empire eventually got quadvees?

[Angrii]

One faction with QuadVees is enough IMO. I have a feeling they might be going the way of Protomechs, moving forward.

[tassa_kay]

So I know how they've made the Awesome C, is there a chance they've done similar sorts of stuff for traditional combat vehicles? I know clans in general don't like vehicles but I'd think with how many more troops they'd need they would need to use them. Especially in the Grunt Galaxy and/or for freebirth soldiers?

There's apparently no more Grunt Galaxy post-Hanseatic Crusade, but I don't see why the Grunt Caste in general shouldn't be using tons of vehicles. Hell, the Hanseatic Crusade book gives us vehicle RATs for the Scorpions, but that book also seems to explicitly lay out (via the Scorpion Military Organization chart) that Scorpions don't use any vehicles in the non-garrison portion of their touman for... some reason.

I have a feeling they might be going the way of Protomechs, moving forward.

Not if their current writer has anything to say about it. He's made a thorough effort to rid the Scorps of their Protos.

[Angrii]

By "going the way of Protomechs" I meant "disappearing", so I think we're actually agreeing.

[LordTree]

that book also seems to explicitly lay out (via the Scorpion Military Organization chart) that Scorpions don't use any vehicles in the non-garrison portion of their touman for... some reason.

Yeah that really confused me, and is part of the reason I was asking. Like, we've seen for other factions that once you reach a certain size you need to be using vehicles to bulk out your forces. And especially for the Scorpions vehicles are so much easier to make with a lower tech base, and most vehicle weapons/armor are the same as for mechs so there's no reason to not make dropship loads of vehicles while trying to build up to producing more mechs. I get clans no like vehicles but still.

Another thing, the Eridani Light Horse uses vehicles to great affect and since Goliath Scorpion absorbed part of them I can't imagine they wouldn't try and learn from their tactics.
Also I just learned the clans already have variants of tanks like the Demolisher so there's no reason they wouldn't at least have a general idea of how to make one

[tassa_kay]

By "going the way of Protomechs" I meant "disappearing", so I think we're actually agreeing.

What would make you think that? We got a new QuadVee in the last published TRO and they're still going strong on the Horses' RATs in Tamar Rising.

[Doc Swift]

They built the Awesome C because they already built the Awesome and the former head of the Hanseatic Defense Force became part of the Empire's elite Hellion Keshik. Influence opens a lot of doors. Other upgrades are possible, but since the Keshik acquired advanced data from their trial against Clan Sea Fox, I think it'd be more likely to see more modern units rather than more Clan upgrades of older units. The near-decade between the Crusade and that move into the Chaine Cluster could certainly have been used to produce more C versions of the old Hansa 'Mechs.

[Angrii]

What would make you think that? We got a new QuadVee in the last published TRO and they're still going strong on the Horses' RATs in Tamar Rising.

Nothing in the Rec guides and no new minis make it less likely we'll see new ones. Also no mention of them in Tamar Rising beyond the RAT.

[Sartris]

there were never going to be quadvees in the recguides so that's not a sign of anthing

[Angrii]

To me it's at least a sign that they aren't terribly popular.

[tassa_kay]

I mean, they're a niche unit that only one relatively niche faction uses, and they've only been around for two eras (Dark Age and ilClan). Of course they're not popular. But that doesn't mean they're going anywhere, either.

[DarkISI]

To me it's at least a sign that they aren't terribly popular.

QuadVees are using rules not supported in BMM or TW. If you look at what equipment is covered in the RecGuides, that might give you a reason.

[Starfury]

What I find interesting is that the Scorpion Empire is still using original Wolverine 6Rs.  Did the Seeker influence preserve that production line from Bordello Goods? Or is it simply to ensure more forces for garrison units?

[Weirdo]

Probably kept the Hansa factory going for a while before any retooling, as a cheap way to get solid mechs for rapidly raised garrison and solahma units.

[glitterboy2098]

Probably kept the Hansa factory going for a while before any retooling, as a cheap way to get solid mechs for rapidly raised garrison and solahma units.

and since they're introtech, they can easily be given "C refits" later when the amount of clantech in production exceeds what the frontline units need. honestly you can do a fairly straight swap to clantech LB5X, Streak 6, CERML, or just drop in twin CSRM6 instead of the streak, and use the weight savings from the AC for extra ammo for the SRMs.

[Doc Swift]

Maybe the Scorpions think that since they were abjured, they are no longer restricted from mentioning the Wolverines or using the 'Mech with the same name. Or maybe no one addressed it because they haven't felt like it. The MUL is hardly monolithic and immutable.

[glitterboy2098]

and heck, maybe they renamed it in their useage, and it just hasn't been mentioned.

[Baldur Mekorig]

and heck, maybe they renamed it in their useage, and it just hasn't been mentioned.

A posibility, the Clans tend to fall in those kind of "little hypocrisies".

[LordTree]

The sarna page on the Scorpion Empire mentions that they broadcast their stance toward the ilClan to their population, but do we know what that stance is?

[Doc Swift]

It's covered in "Moving Forward" in Shrapnel 6.