The Scorpion Empire: All your Warhawks are belong to us

[Starfury]

The Reptar and Arana are on the Scorpion Empires' MUL list, so they're around at least in police form. I'm sure some of them were upgraded to Cazadors and Tolvas after the losses in the crusade. I can also Phoenix Hawk C 2s replacing the Phoenix Hawk 3D and 3S lines.

[Weirdo]

Ugh, it would suck if all of their production went full Clantech and stripped away one of the things that made the Scorpions interesting.

[Fire Scorpion IIC]

The Reptar and Arana are on the Scorpion Empires' MUL list, so they're around at least in police form. I'm sure some of them were upgraded to Cazadors and Tolvas after the losses in the crusade. I can also Phoenix Hawk C 2s replacing the Phoenix Hawk 3D and 3S lines.

Like I said Arana is still in production in 3250s so it's not going anywhere

Already built Reptars and Aranas can't be upgraded to Cazadors and Tolvas, all components except for weapons (and reactor on Arana) are industrial not military

You can use blueprints as basis for new mechs but existing militia mechs can't be upgraded to full battlemechs, they have to be built from scratch

Also both Reptar and Arana are unbelievably cheap and easy to build, literally any random farm equipment factory can be converted to build them

And finally there's symbolic value to consider, while the early years were rocky these two militia mechs were Imperio's very first project, nostalgia would be significant

To say nothing of the very good performance record

[Crimson Dynamo]

Legends II mentions the Scorpions next priority will be to beef up their aerospace forces.

[Weirdo]

Aww, yiss...

Maybe they'll resurrect Rho Galaxy, that was a very aero-heavy formation.

[Tyler Jorgensson]

Aww, yiss...

Maybe they'll resurrect Rho Galaxy, that was a very aero-heavy formation.

I mean the Hanseatic League had the CDF aerospace Regiments that would make for good starts to an aerospace focused Galaxy. Four CDF Clusters; two Hanseatic space, two original Empire space. Maybe some rotation units, possibly try and repair their Warships thru Sea Fox Trials?

[Starfury]

That is true Weirdo. I didn't think about the current combo of designs making the Scorpion Empire unique. 

[Flaresnake]

That is true Weirdo. I didn't think about the current combo of designs making the Scorpion Empire unique.

What do you mean by combo designs?

[Starfury]

The Scorpions use a mix of IS and Clan designs because they didn't have the manufacturing capabilities that other Clans did. For a long time they used leftover designs from a Word of Blake Cache along with with Star Leauge and Clan designs. Now that they have access to more factories (gaining 3 capable of constructing heavy and assault designs), they've started to expand more into things like the Awesome C.

[Fire Scorpion IIC]

I mean the Hanseatic League had the CDF aerospace Regiments that would make for good starts to an aerospace focused Galaxy. Four CDF Clusters; two Hanseatic space, two original Empire space. Maybe some rotation units, possibly try and repair their Warships thru Sea Fox Trials?

Battle of Braunschweig was decided in the air/space when aerospace pilots from Omega Galaxy cleared the skies and swooped in to break the stalemate on the ground

Plus there was space battle over Bremen so Scorpions definitely have some solid AS dudes

As for fighters Scorpions have staples like Visigoth and Xerxes

Hansa was manufacturing Vulkan and Thrush (that we know of)

Vulkan has SLDF, Star League in Exile and Clan seal of approval so that one is definitely going on the roster (EDIT: staying in production too)

[Starfury]

Yup the 5N and 6N Vulcan are on their Dark Age and ilClan era list.

[Weirdo]

What do you mean by combo designs?

During the Golden Age with the Bad Name, they had Clan tech, old SL tech, new Blakist tech, Intro and even the occasional Primitive tech, their non-mech RATs had a similar spread with the fighter RAT even having conventional birds. The infantry RAT was a work of art to shame the Renaissance masters, ranging from ProtoMechs to Battle Armor to conventional troops, some of them even horse mounted. What's more, all this beauty was achieved without sacrificing their WarShip fleet! Truly magnificent in every way.

It was without question, the absolute best era to be a Scorpion player. The modern Scorpion Empire is still much better than pre-Abjuration when they were just another boring Clan, but it's still several steps down from the Golden Age. We do have an interesting proliferation of melee units, so that's a varietal wrinkle we can take solace in, at least.

[Tyler Jorgensson]

Goliath Scorpion, Ice Hellion, Smoke Jaguar, Fire Mandrill, Eridani Light Horse, Nueva Castile, Umyiaad Caliphate, Pirate, Word of Blake/Com Star, Primitive, Hanseatic League, Mercenary, Sea Fox buys and Trials, Homeworld Clan salvage, new Escorpion Imperio gear, and/or possibly more.

Like they have a smorgasbord of possible options post Jihad/ Wars of Reaving and while they’ve standardized and upgraded stuff they could theoretically field ALL of them.

[Fire Scorpion IIC]

During the Golden Age with the Bad Name, they had Clan tech, old SL tech, new Blakist tech, Intro and even the occasional Primitive tech, their non-mech RATs had a similar spread with the fighter RAT even having conventional birds. The infantry RAT was a work of art to shame the Renaissance masters, ranging from ProtoMechs to Battle Armor to conventional troops, some of them even horse mounted. What's more, all this beauty was achieved without sacrificing their WarShip fleet! Truly magnificent in every way.
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They still have several conventional fighter jets, considering the simplicity they probably build them on every continent with human habitation in the Empire

Garrison Caste would be swimming in those


I can't find any horse mounted infantry in any era anywhere on MUL (just some Outworlds alien animals), what name are they listed as?

[glitterboy2098]

Does the garrison caste still exist? I've heard conflicting things.

Kinda hope it sticks around, it's an interesting idea that resolves a fair bit of issues the clan toumans had defensively. Also gives a place for the clan to stick trueborn washouts from late in the training process. Where they've had a lot of resources sunk into combat skills, but failed trials or otherwise didn't meet the cut for the warrior caste.

[Fire Scorpion IIC]

Of course, why shouldn't they?

Where did you get that they are gone? There wasn't anything written about them (or Support Caste) being gone


There's new Epona production line on Gateway for them

Plus they are also cops, Empire's population is in the billions (easily double digits) and someone needs keep the order

[Weirdo]

I can't find any horse mounted infantry in any era anywhere on MUL (just some Outworlds alien animals), what name are they listed as?

They were sadly never published. They're on the best RATs ever published for the Scorpions(the ones in ISP3), but the XTRO they were supposed to be published in was cancelled. It's nonetheless proof that at that time they were willing to use beast-mounted troops, internally a good thing.

Does the garrison caste still exist? I've heard conflicting things.

Of course, why shouldn't they?

Where did you get that they are gone? There wasn't anything written about them (or Support Caste) being gone

Exactly, there's nothing written about them at all. They've been dropped and the writers are hoping we'll just forget they existed. By all indications, the Scorpion military is doing its level best to become a boring old 3050-style all-Clan force again.

[glitterboy2098]

And there you have why the info I'm hearing is conflicting. On one hand there is no obvious update in the recent scorpion centric stuff, so you have people saying they're still around. On the other you have people saying that lack of mention means they no longer exist.

Since I'm behind the curve on getting newer sourcematerials due to budget limitations, i was hoping maybe there had been a mention one way or another i hadn't seen yet.

[Fire Scorpion IIC]

They were sadly never published. They're on the best RATs ever published for the Scorpions(the ones in ISP3), but the XTRO they were supposed to be published in was cancelled. It's nonetheless proof that at that time they were willing to use beast-mounted troops, internally a good thing.

Exactly, there's nothing written about them at all. They've been dropped and the writers are hoping we'll just forget they existed. By all indications, the Scorpion military is doing its level best to become a boring old 3050-style all-Clan force again.

Unrelated product and a lack of recent mention?

At the risk of sounding dismissive I'd say that it looks to me that you are trying to find a problem where there isn't any

Until writers put it in writing that something is gone then it's not gone and is definitely around


This whole thing reminds me of a situation a while back on this very tread where someone (not you, I remember that much, you still had Cardassian image) said that Goliath Scorpions don't do necrosia, zulkaris or dance of scars anymore reasoning being the same as yours: they haven't been mentioned in very long time

And then several weeks later Shrapnel Magazine dropped with story about a Seeker where all those things and more were mentioned

Keep in mind that zulkaris and dance of scars did not get any mention for much longer than Garrison and Support castes did, going by your criteria they would be even more gone and yet they never went anywhere in the first place

Getting info about Garrison or Support Caste would most likely require a story about someone from those castes and since this is a franchise about fancy soldiers and not about cops or number crunchers odds are it will be a while

But just because it will be a while doesn't mean that they stopped being a thing

Lore does not have expiration date

[Shin_Fenris]

Lore does not have expiration date

This is one of the best lines I've read in a forum post in a long while.

[Weirdo]

A very fair point. I just hope this doesn't become like the Free Guilds, where the writers just forget they exist and we have to wait almost thirty years real-time before getting any info on them or at least confirmation that it wasn't just some throwaway line they'd like to ignore.

[tassa_kay]

I'm fairly certain that the Garrison Caste is what populated the ad hoc/temporary Grunt Galaxy. I mean, it'd kinda have to, wouldn't it?

[LordTree]

Yes, the Grunt Galaxy was raised from the best troops of the Garrison caste (according to the sarna page at least)

[lancylot]

Goliath Scorpion, Ice Hellion, Smoke Jaguar, Fire Mandrill, Eridani Light Horse, Nueva Castile, Umyiaad Caliphate, Pirate, Word of Blake/Com Star, Primitive, Hanseatic League, Mercenary, Sea Fox buys and Trials, Homeworld Clan salvage, new Escorpion Imperio gear, and/or possibly more.

Like they have a smorgasbord of possible options post Jihad/ Wars of Reaving and while they’ve standardized and upgraded stuff they could theoretically field ALL of them.

Absolutely. It’d be especially nice to see the Empire’s post-Reaving lists include some of the Omni designs that were associated with the absorbed Hellions and Mandrills—Linebacker, Black Lanner, Crimson Langur, etc. The Langur in particular would be a great fit for the Seekers.

[Tyler Jorgensson]

Absolutely. It’d be especially nice to see the Empire’s post-Reaving lists include some of the Omni designs that were associated with the absorbed Hellions and Mandrills—Linebacker, Black Lanner, Crimson Langur, etc. The Langur in particular would be a great fit for the Seekers.

I also forgot old Star League, Society, Seeker, and ancient designs in that list lol

Next time I’m bored I’m going to go write up a Seeker Trinary where one Seeker just has like the best salvaged designs of each of those factions and is just like ‘I’m a showcase unit of our past: everything we once were as a Clan’. And like his backstory is he keeps getting challenged by other warriors for having Society and Wobblie designs and he keeps defeating his opponents.

[Fire Scorpion IIC]

I also forgot old Star League, Society, Seeker, and ancient designs in that list lol

Next time I’m bored I’m going to go write up a Seeker Trinary where one Seeker just has like the best salvaged designs of each of those factions and is just like ‘I’m a showcase unit of our past: everything we once were as a Clan’. And like his backstory is he keeps getting challenged by other warriors for having Society and Wobblie designs and he keeps defeating his opponents.

That would be official excuse while really it would be because they are all jealous of all the rare toys that guy has and would want to have those sweet rarities in their collections

They must have their precious:)))

As Umayyads would say "Hallah in the streets, Haram in the sheets"

[glitterboy2098]

to be honest, if/when i get the Proliferation saga force pack, i'd be tempted to paint them up as a Scorpion Empire unit. would go a long way to explaining how 6 age of war designs and a 1st gen omnimech ended up together.

[Fire Scorpion IIC]

Absolutely. It’d be especially nice to see the Empire’s post-Reaving lists include some of the Omni designs that were associated with the absorbed Hellions and Mandrills—Linebacker, Black Lanner, Crimson Langur, etc. The Langur in particular would be a great fit for the Seekers.

Linebacker used to be on Imperio list and it was the ride of choice for Khan Rood but I doubt they had too many of them since they are off the current list, they either fell or are in storage

Even Rood's Linebacker was isorla from operation ICE STORM (that particular one is probably in museum now, Rood turned out to be quite a historic figure)

Black Lanner and Crimson Langur are unlikely but you never know down the road what scientists will dig out from archives, wouldn't even be first time for them



Ice Hellion designs however are all the rage

Snow Fox Omni project was restored and completed and it has displaced Fire Moth as Elemental taxi in Scorpion military

Hellion is staple light Omni mech of Goliath Scorpions now, it's built on Valencia

Even Drift Shag is still in use although it's highly unlikely that it's being built, Icestorm was in service for a while before getting mothballed

I already mentioned that Ice Ferret is such a trademark Ice Hellion mech that it would be a plot hole to not have it built by Goliath Scorpions. Blueprints, machinery, personnel, they got all of it



Another tidbit worth noting is Viper, there were three MODULAR MOBILE factories which built it, Ghost Bears relocated one to Dominion while other two were later captured by Goliath Scorpions and Ice Hellions which means that eventually Scorpions not just one but two mobile Viper factories so odds are good that Viper is also in production in the Empire and has been for a while

[Starfury]

The Stooping Hawk also fits since someone's keeping the one Sun Bear alive, and a Emperor C. But really what want are the Goliath and Scorpion Omnis. The only Clan that loves quads as much are Hell's Horses, so if the Snow Fox can get an Omni version, those two are a no brainer. If not then how about a Royal version of both?

[Weirdo]

Planning out a Scorpion Binary, Klondike era. How does this look?

1st Star
Falcon
Phoenix Hawk
Eagle
Zephyr
Zephyr

2nd Star
Thunderbolt
Marauder
Thunder Hawk
Eagle
Puma

(As a reminder, OP Klondike says Scorpions are required to have at least one mech, tank, and ASF in each Star. Similarly, by this point the Clans have not yet standardized into doubling their vee and air Points.)