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Re: The Free Worlds League: Wolf Empire Reunion Tour
« Reply #540 on: 28 January 2024, 15:00:19 »
Playing MW5 finally and I am staying in the League area b/c I do not want to play Assault Smash- with the 7-10 lvl missions I feel you can bring a variety of chassis without penalizing yourself for being underweight.

Hitting the 'signal' missions I have gotten two in a row that were FWL vs FWL . . . one a FWL corp hiring mercs under the cover of instigating friction between Regulus & Oriente, but was really Quikscell getting local militias & nobles to buy up their products to bolster their defenses- which was thwarted by some local nobles who figured it out.

And another- so far- where the 4th Regulan Hussars (who had a King Crab for some reason yet no Trebuchet!  where is the Trebuchet!) were trying to show that Gibsonians were not to be trusted as part of a Cameron-Jones security detail . . . by whacking C-J.

I have not played the Dracs much though they do have a Black Dragon thread . . . but so far it is the only one I have seen that have missions where the House fights itself- and you gain loyalty points!  Yes there is CC vs SIC, but that is a edge case.
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Re: The Free Worlds League: Wolf Empire Reunion Tour
« Reply #541 on: 23 February 2024, 18:51:54 »
What do you guys think of the Fifth Brigade of the Fusiliers of Oriente? Former Star League, implied to have fought on Terra, but having declined to depart with Kerensky... do you think they had a higher proportion of Star League mechs (Cyclops, Guillotine, etc) than other brigades? Their blurb suggests that the greatest Star League legacy the regiment brought with it was most likely their technical maintenance manuals....

Working B-2000 anyone? Haha.
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« Reply #542 on: 25 February 2024, 03:44:40 »
I feel like it should be "drowns" . . . as we are frequently told those who sit on the 5 principle thrones rarely have long lives with natural deaths.

Good point. Any head of state would have a dozen eyeballs on them at all times unless they're on the potty (and perhaps even then there'd be one pair of eyeballs at least). A fairly risky activity like swimming?

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Re: The Free Worlds League: Wolf Empire Reunion Tour
« Reply #543 on: 25 February 2024, 06:59:26 »
What do you guys think of the Fifth Brigade of the Fusiliers of Oriente? Former Star League, implied to have fought on Terra, but having declined to depart with Kerensky... do you think they had a higher proportion of Star League mechs (Cyclops, Guillotine, etc) than other brigades? Their blurb suggests that the greatest Star League legacy the regiment brought with it was most likely their technical maintenance manuals....

Working B-2000 anyone? Haha.

According to FM: FWL the unit's tech manuals were valuable, but the unit was also able to use them to "reconstruct several Star League-vintage 'mech prototypes."

So having a few SL 'mechs seems plausible. But I wouldn't make them very common. I'm guessing we're talking about 4-8 individual machines, recreations of SL models essentially scratch built at great expense as individual projects. They might be seen on the parade grounds, perhaps as part of a unit museum, and as part of the vaguely hinted at unit's unique traditions, more than actual combat. What might be more common and used in combat is upgrading a few more common 'mech models to some uncommon Star League era models of those same machines. Taking advantage of the rediscovered Star League era Level 2 tech. The rules don't specify that, but that but I could see some players going that route with this.

In FM: Mercs, Brion's Legion, gets permission in the unit rules to replace 1 out of every 4 'mechs with a Star League 'mech. I think it's notable that the 5th Brigade doesn't get anything like that. That supports the idea that any such machines in the unit's possession are very few and rare.

The very old original House Marik handbook (dating from the year 3025 I believe, or just prior to the 4th SW) notes that among this unit's prized possessions are a commendation signed by Kerensky, and a scratchy 2-minute video of an Orion destroying the gate to the Star League presidential Palace on Terra. While these items are certainly unique and cool, I think it's telling that we hear about that, and not about the unit possessing a bunch of SL 'mechs.

That same book described the 5th Brigade as a heavy regiment, with 10 Marauder-Ms (they probably mean the -3M) among the first two heavy battalions. The third battalion is said to be an assault battalion featuring Awesomes, Stalkers, Goliaths and Orions.

So I'm guessing that along their journey, this unit, which started out as the merc unit Bolton's Rangers, has lost their Star League machines. Like most units, that probably happened through combat attrition in the first three Succession Wars, through not having the spare parts and logistics to sustain them as they stopped being produced, possibly also through trading them for more common and easier to support models that were still being built. They might have regarded a lot of their equipment as privately owned by their original mechwarriors, so they could have been lost as those mechwarriors or their heirs moved on. They might have even either had to trade them away as the joined the Duchy of Oriente. Or they may have been hit with offers to buy anything they had left. At that point (especially in the unit's mercenary days when C-Bill income was probably always on their minds) any remaining SL machines in their possession might have been worth more in trade as museum pieces and collector's items than as combat equipment, allowing the unit to build up their warchest and replenish with more commonly available models. Finally, we don't know that all of Bolton's Rangers were onboard with joining the Duchy of Oriente. There was probably some minority that opposed that move and cut ties with the unit, taking any privately owned equipment with them in the process.

A lot of that is just pure speculation, but I hope it helps.
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Re: The Free Worlds League: Wolf Empire Reunion Tour
« Reply #544 on: 25 February 2024, 09:51:01 »
 They could be related to the Order of the Saber chapter houses. Sometimes the best way to preserve such items is to loan them out to various museums.

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« Reply #545 on: 25 February 2024, 15:54:01 »
Also, Alan?

They could have offered repairs to the House's SL units in return for the almighty C-Bill and the rebuilt to SL "standards" any unit that the House had the equipment to use.

Options and stuff.

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Re: The Free Worlds League: Wolf Empire Reunion Tour
« Reply #546 on: 25 February 2024, 17:48:44 »
Also, Alan?

They could have offered repairs to the House's SL units in return for the almighty C-Bill and the rebuilt to SL "standards" any unit that the House had the equipment to use.

Options and stuff.

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« Reply #547 on: 26 February 2024, 23:07:53 »
I wasn't thinking of "spamming" Star League mechs, but having a few around perhaps.

An interesting project is the 346th Heavy Tank Regiment, also an ex-SLDF unit, that is attached. Manticores and Von Luckners are the order of the day, but interestingly their journey was different (joining the 5th after 2906).

Lots of potential for narrative stuff (like well-maintained fusion reactors or whatever) alongside any "game rules". Because as you rightly point out, no mention of actual SLDF gear.
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« Reply #548 on: 27 February 2024, 07:09:01 »
All these thoughts are definitely legit in my eyes. So much of the FWL and FWLM are terribly underutilized in the 3050s up to the start of the Jihad. The writers were focused elsewhere and the FWL wasn't fighting a lot of large scale wars. From FM: FWL to FM: Updates, a lot of years has passed and for most units we just get a tiny paragraph in FM: Updates. Lot of potential for "previously untold" stories set there.
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Re: The Free Worlds League: Wolf Empire Reunion Tour
« Reply #549 on: 27 February 2024, 21:08:43 »
That's why I'm excited for Brush Wars 2. We'll finally get a decent examination of Operation Guerrero beyond one novel and the bits here and there  amongst various sourcebooks.  Hopefully we'll get a Viper mini out as well. A Battle of Tukkayid Style sourcebook for the Battle of Huntress would be cool as well to see the Knights of the Inner Sphere in action again.

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« Reply #550 on: 07 March 2024, 16:11:35 »
Do you think the FWLM will look to reform units destroyed/deactivated over the years or loook to bring new units without any history on line?

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« Reply #551 on: 07 March 2024, 16:20:58 »
Do you think the FWLM will look to reform units destroyed/deactivated over the years or loook to bring new units without any history on line?

I imagine it'll depend on the provinces in question. they'll proably reaciate some, and others, partiuclarly ones that may have perhaps been tainted as a result of the Jihad will remain dead. I suspect the Knights will remain dead.
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« Reply #552 on: 07 March 2024, 16:49:16 »
I suspect that some more Marik militas will return to the roster. The reactivation of the 1st Marik milita caused celebrations and I would assume that that some units with long stories will follow. Heck we might also get the Sirian Lancers back should they manage to reclaim Sirius (of course the Sirian Lancers kind of live in the Regulan Hussars at the moment but as I said if they get Soirius back they might "seal the deal" with a homegrown Sieian unit)
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« Reply #553 on: 08 March 2024, 07:58:47 »
We know the Marik Militia is being stood back up with the 4th Marik Protectors returning to the fold to reform the 18th Militia. It's possible and even likely the other Protectors will do likewise though I kind of hope not; I've always enjoyed their "fight for the little guys" shtick.
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« Reply #554 on: 08 March 2024, 08:34:38 »
Yeah, reforming destroyed units is nice and all, but I do hope we get to keep the new brigades. Marik Protectors, Tamarind Regulars, Augustine Arquebusiers, .... I think it fits with the federal structure to have a whole bag of different brigades with varying numbers of regiments.
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« Reply #555 on: 08 March 2024, 08:37:59 »
 I doubt that they will remove the Augustine Arquebusiers, the name alone is a winner. The Rim Guards scored an in-universe joke.

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« Reply #556 on: 08 March 2024, 09:22:05 »
It'll probably be a mix of both. The FWLM likes to organize its various regiments into brigades. The Marik Militia, Atrean Dragoons, Free Worlds Guards etc. Each is considered a brigade of multiple 'mech regiments.

So I can see any brigade with at least 1 surviving regiment out there being reformed into a brigade consisting of multiple regiments (whether that means reviving old retired unit designations and colors or reviving new ones). That preserves the traditional organizational structure and method of structuring the FWLM's 'mech regiments. So think at least 2 regiments per brigade, if not more.

But new regiments and new brigades really should be in the mix. If they just 100% recreate history from here forward I'll be disappointed. Some splash of newness can be a lot of fun and invigorating and a draw for players if the new units attract a lot of interest.

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« Reply #557 on: 08 March 2024, 13:47:58 »
There are still several former RAF units in Free World space that seem to not know what to do. Maybe they get folded into the Augustine forces or even get a new "independent brigade unit going (perhaps under Ariana Zou's command). I personally think more like an independent unit as those soldiers are not natives and I might guess harbor bad blood against the Augustine alliance though said Alliance lost it's original leadership long ago
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« Reply #558 on: 09 March 2024, 20:42:17 »
There are still several former RAF units in Free World space that seem to not know what to do. Maybe they get folded into the Augustine forces or even get a new "independent brigade unit going (perhaps under Ariana Zou's command). I personally think more like an independent unit as those soldiers are not natives and I might guess harbor bad blood against the Augustine alliance though said Alliance lost it's original leadership long ago

it's likely a lotta them go merc, that said I can imagine most great houses getting a new handful of regiments from RAF survivors, we know the fedsuns has 2 regiments of dawnguard after all
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« Reply #559 on: 10 March 2024, 12:18:26 »
it's likely a lotta them go merc, that said I can imagine most great houses getting a new handful of regiments from RAF survivors, we know the fedsuns has 2 regiments of dawnguard after all

It's a shame their paint scheme is a nightmare, otherwise I'd be all over those guys.
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« Reply #560 on: 10 March 2024, 12:45:02 »
It's a shame their paint scheme is a nightmare, otherwise I'd be all over those guys.

I've thought the same thing although white and yellow is a LOOT easier to do now then it used to be
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« Reply #561 on: 10 March 2024, 13:30:42 »
 There are other options including them forming their own memberstate(s). The League was formed through diplomacy, reunited through diplomacy and more than willing to employ it; this applies to the federal government, the memberstates and even lesser governments. Others may be granted knighthoods or equivalents for joining still yet other memberstates. Giving people lands and other rewards for service is not unheard of in the Inner Sphere. 

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« Reply #562 on: 10 March 2024, 17:23:42 »
There are other options including them forming their own memberstate(s). The League was formed through diplomacy, reunited through diplomacy and more than willing to employ it; this applies to the federal government, the memberstates and even lesser governments. Others may be granted knighthoods or equivalents for joining still yet other memberstates. Giving people lands and other rewards for service is not unheard of in the Inner Sphere.

Well the Suns are handing out land grants to Mercs like candy and if Dominion divided is to be believed it is a resounding success. Buuuut in the long term it might cause problems as you now have to integrate "foreigners" into your own power structure. Imagine if House Davion grants an estate to a unit of former Combine pilots. Right in the Draconis March. My best guess would be that the League sends Ariana Zhou as a sort of liason to discuss a formal adoption of RAF troopers into the League.
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« Reply #563 on: 10 March 2024, 19:18:32 »
I dunno I feel like having to deal with the fallout of fanatical nationalism and racism is something the FWL is less likely to run into than the FedSuns
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« Reply #564 on: 10 March 2024, 21:30:59 »
 I am surprised that no one has even considered the Covenant Worlds yet. Then there is Stewart.
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« Reply #565 on: 10 March 2024, 23:36:48 »
I've thought the same thing although white and yellow is a LOOT easier to do now then it used to be

So true. I did a battalion's worth, can link pics if anyone cares.

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« Reply #566 on: 11 March 2024, 01:36:47 »
I'd like to see.

Are they straight Mechs or Combined arms?

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« Reply #567 on: 11 March 2024, 02:54:37 »
I dunno I feel like having to deal with the fallout of fanatical nationalism and racism is something the FWL is less likely to run into than the FedSuns

only because Andurian has yet to be reintergrated :)
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« Reply #568 on: 11 March 2024, 04:07:43 »
I dunno I feel like having to deal with the fallout of fanatical nationalism and racism is something the FWL is less likely to run into than the FedSuns

So ... Regulans, no? Seem pretty fanatical nationalist, at the very least. Racism, harder to peg on them, except perhaps equally loathing all 'other'?
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« Reply #569 on: 11 March 2024, 07:01:14 »
So ... Regulans, no? Seem pretty fanatical nationalist, at the very least. Racism, harder to peg on them, except perhaps equally loathing all 'other'?
Historically speaking, the Regulans have always wanted to be the ones leading the League and thus had a rivalry with the Marik family. The False Thomas Marik simply spread the rivalry to another group. As a people they are as Leaguer as any other. Heck one of the reasons they opposed joining the reunified League was that Jessica was neither using the older big three formula nor the GNP Parliament which would make it de facto so.