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Re: Filling in the Syberian AutoMechs (Open Thread)
« Reply #330 on: 05 April 2022, 22:25:09 »
Wow, I didn't think there were many those around.  Must be challenging to keep her running.
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Re: Filling in the Syberian AutoMechs (Open Thread)
« Reply #331 on: 05 April 2022, 23:03:30 »
My point is that works for the smaller guns.  Once you start lobbing volkswagons full of cordite around, the range and damage really don't change...

Does in BattleTech. I mean, these rules have to show how those WWII guns went obsolete, yes? That means range and damage drop. Plus, realism in BT--especially in the fun projects--is no damned fun at all! ;)

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Re: Filling in the Syberian AutoMechs (Open Thread)
« Reply #332 on: 05 April 2022, 23:35:23 »
Your rounding may be slightly off. A 7 vs BAR 6 would become a 6 v. BAR 7; 4 v. BAR 8-9; and 3 v. BAR 10; and a 4 vs BAR 6, would drop to 3 for BARs 7-8, and 2 vs BARs 9-10. But as I think about it, I see where the numbers can slip, as rounding for each step along the way, versus only rounding at the final step, can produce different results.

So the damage drops 20% for every BAR above 5? And some damage might be the same do to rounding?



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As I found in many of my old 1945 conversions, sometimes, you'll just *be* underweight no matter what you do (unless you're willing to REALLY go off-plan). In such cases, I just say "cargo!" and leave it at that...even if there's no slot space for it. The spare weight simply becomes an amount of external mass allowance the unit can take without losing any performance whatsoever. (In the case of BA, for instance, falling short just lets the suit carry even bigger guns in its hands before noticing any speed loss.)

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Cargo and bigger guns work. :)




Here's Randancer. Hope I did it right.

Raindancer is another example of an early remote drone used by Sounder class AutoMechs. Whereas the last one was a tracked vehicle, this on is a fixed wing aircraft. The Raindancer uses a recon camera and a pair of man-portable TAGs to scout and spot enemy targets for missile and artillery attacks. Although armed with a pair of heavy SRM Launchers these weapons are mostly defensive in nature but have been used to mark locations. While effective, the drone's, limited fuel and light armor limit's this drone's effectiveness.

A variant swaps the 2 light TAG systems and reduces the fuel carried for a pair of support lasers.  This version typically acts as either an escort for the TAG Variant or as a hunter of other light flying remote drones. The increase in firepower is dubious however as it doesn't have the armor to survive more than a single light hit.


Type: Raindancer       
Chassis Type: Fixed Wing (Small)       
Mass: 2 tons       
Technology Base: Syberian       
Battle Value:        
Equipment                   Mass
Chassis/Controls:            320
Engine/Trans: Fusion           200
Safe Thrust: 4       
Max Thrust: 6       
Structural Integrity: 4       
Heat Sinks:        
Fuel:
   Spotter Variant 50 (Petrochemical) 750
   Hunter Variant 43 (Petrochemical) 645
Armor Factor (BAR 2):          65
          Armor   
          Value   
Front      2   
R/L Side   1/1   
Rear             1   
Weapons and Ammo Location Mass


Weapons and Ammo Location Mass
Spotter Variant   
Recon Camera           Nose     500
TAG, (Man-Portable)   Nose      20
TAG, (Man-Portable)   Nose      20
Ammo (40)               -           4
Ammo (40)               -           4
SRM Launcher (Heavy)R Wing   20
SRM Launcher (Heavy)L Wing   20
Ammo (HSRM) 2       -         36
Ammo (HSRM) 2       -        36

Hunter Variant   
Recon Camera               Nose 500
Support Laser               Nose  72
Support Laser               Nose  72
SRM Launcher (Heavy)R Wing  20
SRM Launcher (Heavy)L Wing  20
Ammo (HSRM) 2       -        36
Ammo (HSRM) 2       -        36

Note:
Has the VSTOL chassis mod

Funniest part is it’s got a chrome Autobot logo on the hood and a big red Autobot logo on the roof.  It is, in fact, Bumblebee.

Meanwhile, my wife has dubbed my ‘82 AMC Concord  wagon “Groundwave”.

Cool! I hope you keep Groundwave running. Concords are great cars. I miss my '83 4 door sedan "George".  :'(


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Forgot to include the chassis mod. Oops!
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Re: Filling in the Syberian AutoMechs (Open Thread)
« Reply #333 on: 06 April 2022, 02:54:00 »
So the damage drops 20% for every BAR above 5? And some damage might be the same do to rounding?

For 20th/early 21st century guns, it's a drop when you pass BAR 6 (BAR 5-6 are the same now, as far as the damage and ranges go). And it's 20% from the previous drop, rather than 20% x the difference in BARs. The results are non-linear, and more like a curve toward zero. When you get to the lower numbers, yeah, you'll start seeing the same damage between levels as rounding takes place.

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Here's Randancer. Hope I did it right...
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Looks like you built it mostly right, but the chassis seems to be twice as heavy as my calcs say it should be. Is there a chassis mod I'm not seeing? VSTOL mod, perhaps?

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Re: Filling in the Syberian AutoMechs (Open Thread)
« Reply #334 on: 06 April 2022, 05:33:47 »
For 20th/early 21st century guns, it's a drop when you pass BAR 6 (BAR 5-6 are the same now, as far as the damage and ranges go). And it's 20% from the previous drop, rather than 20% x the difference in BARs. The results are non-linear, and more like a curve toward zero. When you get to the lower numbers, yeah, you'll start seeing the same damage between levels as rounding takes place.

Lots of math but I think I've got it. :)  Sounds good.  :thumbsup:





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Looks like you built it mostly right, but the chassis seems to be twice as heavy as my calcs say it should be. Is there a chassis mod I'm not seeing? VSTOL mod, perhaps?

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VSTOL it was. I forgot to list that.  xp

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Re: Filling in the Syberian AutoMechs (Open Thread)
« Reply #335 on: 06 April 2022, 12:42:16 »
Lots of math but I think I've got it. :)  Sounds good.  :thumbsup:

Hey, that's what happens when you kill off equivalency. I personally hate excess math, especially when we jump from basic add/subtract/multiply to exponents, and it was for that reason that it took until IO before the custom-yield nukes came into play (as their formulae used exponents a-plenty). The new formulae I posted could be simplified using them, however, like this:

Damage Reductions: [Original Damage Value] x [0.8^X]
Range Reductions: [Original Range Value] x [0.75^X]

*In both formulae, X = The number of Levels your damage exceeds its default BAR level (6 for 20th-21st century weapons; 3 for black powder).
*And, of course, no change to Minimum and Indirect Artillery range. Round all final values normally.
*Do not use these formulae for BAR levels below the Default.

VSTOL it was. I forgot to list that.  xp

That's what I suspected. Then, yeah, looks correct.

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Re: Filling in the Syberian AutoMechs (Open Thread)
« Reply #336 on: 06 April 2022, 14:35:15 »
Wow, I didn't think there were many those around.  Must be challenging to keep her running.

Not too bad, actually.  They made this basic car in one form or another from 1971 to 1987, and variations on this engine from 1964 through 2006.

Cool! I hope you keep Groundwave running. Concords are great cars. I miss my '83 4 door sedan "George".  :'(

One of the cars I learned to drive on was my parents' '81 sedan.

So, looks like Rotunda is still my best bet for vehicle form, right?
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Re: Filling in the Syberian AutoMechs (Open Thread)
« Reply #337 on: 06 April 2022, 14:52:53 »
A bit of putty does wonders on the Rotunda

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Re: Filling in the Syberian AutoMechs (Open Thread)
« Reply #338 on: 06 April 2022, 15:55:08 »
So, looks like Rotunda is still my best bet for vehicle form, right?

If you restrict yourself only to IWM figures, yeah, but, as Luciora says, you can do wonderful things with putty when you want to.

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Re: Filling in the Syberian AutoMechs (Open Thread)
« Reply #339 on: 06 April 2022, 19:11:30 »
Hey, that's what happens when you kill off equivalency. I personally hate excess math, especially when we jump from basic add/subtract/multiply to exponents, and it was for that reason that it took until IO before the custom-yield nukes came into play (as their formulae used exponents a-plenty). The new formulae I posted could be simplified using them, however, like this:

Damage Reductions: [Original Damage Value] x [0.8^X]
Range Reductions: [Original Range Value] x [0.75^X]

*In both formulae, X = The number of Levels your damage exceeds its default BAR level (6 for 20th-21st century weapons; 3 for black powder).
*And, of course, no change to Minimum and Indirect Artillery range. Round all final values normally.
*Do not use these formulae for BAR levels below the Default.

That's what I suspected. Then, yeah, looks correct.

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That might be easier if I knew what ^ was. That's beyond me.

Yay! :)



Not too bad, actually.  They made this basic car in one form or another from 1971 to 1987, and variations on this engine from 1964 through 2006.

One of the cars I learned to drive on was my parents' '81 sedan.

So, looks like Rotunda is still my best bet for vehicle form, right?


I passed my driver's test in George and he was the first car I drove regularly.

I guess so.



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Re: Filling in the Syberian AutoMechs (Open Thread)
« Reply #340 on: 06 April 2022, 19:25:41 »
^ is internet shorthand for "to the power of"... hope that helps!  :thumbsup:

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« Reply #341 on: 06 April 2022, 23:48:48 »
That might be easier if I knew what ^ was. That's beyond me.

^ is internet shorthand for "to the power of"... hope that helps!  :thumbsup:

More than just internet shorthand, I'd say; I'm pretty sure Excel and other programs recognizes it that way too.

*tests that, just to be sure*

Yup. It still is.

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« Reply #342 on: 07 April 2022, 02:55:00 »
Hey, that's what happens when you kill off equivalency. I personally hate excess math, especially when we jump from basic add/subtract/multiply to exponents, and it was for that reason that it took until IO before the custom-yield nukes came into play (as their formulae used exponents a-plenty). The new formulae I posted could be simplified using them, however, like this:

- Herb

Can you use any remaining influence to edit a couple of the Strategic Operations formulas for Jumpship & Warship construction (from 4th edition, page 146, the Advanced Aerospace Unit Cost Tables)?

Basically these two formulas:
JumpShip Support Systems 10,000,000 x (Unit Tonnage ÷ 10,000)
WarShip Support Systems 20,000,000 x (50 + Unit Tonnage ÷ 10,000)

Could easily be simplified to:
JumpShip Support Systems: 1,000 x Unit Tonnage
WarShip Support Systems: 1,000,000,000 + 2,000 x Unit Tonnage

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Re: Filling in the Syberian AutoMechs (Open Thread)
« Reply #343 on: 07 April 2022, 07:54:01 »
Can you use any remaining influence to edit a couple of the Strategic Operations formulas for Jumpship & Warship construction (from 4th edition, page 146, the Advanced Aerospace Unit Cost Tables)?

Basically these two formulas:
JumpShip Support Systems 10,000,000 x (Unit Tonnage ÷ 10,000)
WarShip Support Systems 20,000,000 x (50 + Unit Tonnage ÷ 10,000)

Could easily be simplified to:
JumpShip Support Systems: 1,000 x Unit Tonnage
WarShip Support Systems: 1,000,000,000 + 2,000 x Unit Tonnage

I think a billion+ tons is WAY over the mass any WarShip can be constructed, there. (But, if you're seriously proposing math corrections like that, might I recommend putting that in the errata discussion thread?)

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« Reply #344 on: 07 April 2022, 17:02:21 »
I think a billion+ tons is WAY over the mass any WarShip can be constructed, there. (But, if you're seriously proposing math corrections like that, might I recommend putting that in the errata discussion thread?)

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Sorry, those are the cost factors.

For example, this:
1,000,000,000 + 2,000 x Unit Tonnage
Means that for a 100 kton unit the total cost for this 'component' will be 1,200,000,000 (before the Warship Cost multiplier)

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« Reply #345 on: 07 April 2022, 18:04:15 »
Do NOT complain about the WarShip multiplier!  It's the most reasonable one of anything bigger than an ASF...  ::)

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« Reply #346 on: 07 April 2022, 19:10:35 »
Sorry, those are the cost factors.

For example, this:
1,000,000,000 + 2,000 x Unit Tonnage
Means that for a 100 kton unit the total cost for this 'component' will be 1,200,000,000 (before the Warship Cost multiplier)

Oh. Cost factors. Sorry. Again, though, I'd suggest sending along that recommendation to--oh, wait; you just did.

My work here is done. :)

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Re: Filling in the Syberian AutoMechs (Open Thread)
« Reply #347 on: 08 April 2022, 00:04:38 »
Ratchet and Ironhide are up!

https://bg.battletech.com/forums/miniatures/leakin-lubricants!-ironhide-and-ratchet-automechs/msg1822832/#new

This leaves me with Hound currently on my workbench.  I should do 1 more to keep them in paired releases.

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« Reply #348 on: 08 April 2022, 03:17:49 »
^ is internet shorthand for "to the power of"... hope that helps!  :thumbsup:

Sorry. Haven't done that kind of math in ages.  :(


More than just internet shorthand, I'd say; I'm pretty sure Excel and other programs recognizes it that way too.

*tests that, just to be sure*

Yup. It still is.

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You know more about excel than I do. Which isn't hard since I don't know very much and my book for excel is about 600 miles away.  :'(

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« Reply #349 on: 08 April 2022, 06:49:19 »
Ratchet and Ironhide are up!
This leaves me with Hound currently on my workbench.  I should do 1 more to keep them in paired releases.

Sweet! Did you have any ideas who you'll do next?

You know more about excel than I do. Which isn't hard since I don't know very much and my book for excel is about 600 miles away.  :'(

Book?

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Re: Filling in the Syberian AutoMechs (Open Thread)
« Reply #350 on: 08 April 2022, 12:06:45 »
Did we have a list of someone the the other G1 formers and alt-modes?  I couldn't find it in all the messages.  Looking for the weirder minicons like Cosmos for example.

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« Reply #351 on: 08 April 2022, 12:59:46 »
Did we have a list of someone the the other G1 formers and alt-modes?  I couldn't find it in all the messages.  Looking for the weirder minicons like Cosmos for example.

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« Reply #352 on: 08 April 2022, 15:53:21 »
Thrush or Sholagar?

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« Reply #353 on: 08 April 2022, 16:14:41 »
Thrush or Sholagar?

*checks sheet*

Sholagar.

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« Reply #354 on: 08 April 2022, 18:08:14 »
Much obliged. Also, what about Warpath/Guzzle?  I'm eyeing the Scorpion light tank and Commando for them.   

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« Reply #355 on: 08 April 2022, 19:33:44 »
So would Reflector be a regular light mech with two Drones on it?   He was a recon unit (aka he was camera)
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« Reply #356 on: 08 April 2022, 19:43:07 »
Much obliged. Also, what about Warpath/Guzzle?  I'm eyeing the Scorpion light tank and Commando for them.

Well, because I was thinking mainly of the version of Warpath with the BFG sticking out of his chest, I had him as a Hollander that transformed into a Rommel Howitzer (I dubbed it the Tanker class, not to be confused with the Tankus class that Megatron got).

Guzzle's toy reminds me more of the Combaticon Brawl's look in G1, and for that one, I had a Pulverizer that transformed into a Manticore (which I called the Brawler class).

TBH, I was not comfy with my choices for Warpath, but I was hard-pressed to find a beefier Mech that matched what I felt Warpath should be (I didn't see Warpath as a mini unit/tankette, even if that's how he started in G1).

So would Reflector be a regular light mech with two Drones on it?   He was a recon unit (aka he was camera)

Funny enough, in my listings, I made Reflector into the only named EmplacementMech, which I dubbed the Triad as a nod to him operating in threes (in the early cartoons, and in the recent War for Cyberton series, Reflectors/Refraktors were as common as Seekers). My list thus had the Triad class AutoMechs transforming from a Hankyu into the boxy turret of an Oro Heavy Tank.

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« Reply #357 on: 08 April 2022, 23:08:42 »
I must have missed that part of the sheet.  I was looking at the Marsden or Merkava for Warpath originally, but larger works too.  :)  Hollander seems a bit skinny, but I got what you were going for.  I'll play around with some ideas.

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« Reply #358 on: 09 April 2022, 00:13:42 »
I guess I'm thinking of a more modest Warpath  ;D

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« Reply #359 on: 09 April 2022, 01:39:43 »
What do think of the Legionnaire or Shockwave for Warpath?

 

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