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Re: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Discussion 12 - The Last Hurrah?
« Reply #1 on: 28 February 2022, 12:40:36 »
I keep hoping to see a final KS Update that says everyone has received their gear and we're working on dice solutions.  I'm thinking that you are right Sartris, and it will happen in these next 50 pages.

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« Reply #2 on: 28 February 2022, 15:17:35 »
It is more than dice, there are a LOT of digital rewards that are overdue.

To make Sartis happy . . . we are what, 2 years & 2 months behind for Founding of the Clans 3?
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Re: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Discussion 12 - The Last Hurrah?
« Reply #3 on: 28 February 2022, 16:13:05 »
It is more than dice, there are a LOT of digital rewards that are overdue.

To make Sartis happy . . . we are what, 2 years & 2 months behind for Founding of the Clans 3?

I hear you about the digital rewards.  I just think I'd feel good to start with if every single backer around the globe received their physical gear within the next 20-40 days.  That would be a tremendous accomplishment with the state of global shipping and logistics. 

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« Reply #4 on: 28 February 2022, 16:32:55 »
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Re: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Discussion 12 - The Last Hurrah?
« Reply #5 on: 28 February 2022, 18:04:42 »
The further discussion on the Flea left me confused.  We are are NOT getting a new Flea model, correct?  He just wants us to use the locust as a proxy?
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« Reply #6 on: 28 February 2022, 18:08:40 »
The further discussion on the Flea left me confused.  We are are NOT getting a new Flea model, correct?  He just wants us to use the locust as a proxy?

No official statement on a new flea model (physical) has been made either way.  The Flea has been redesigned already by the art team, but the new design hasn't been released yet in a product. 


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« Reply #7 on: 28 February 2022, 18:14:56 »
the 3D renders are basically this boy



should the flea make it to plastic, one can hope the scale will be tweaked a bit over the IWM guy, who is very big

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Re: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Discussion 12 - The Last Hurrah?
« Reply #8 on: 28 February 2022, 18:26:39 »
I've always been a big fan of that Flea sculpt since my MW4 Mercs days, so I would definitely be happy with "minor tweaks and a scale adjustment."

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« Reply #9 on: 28 February 2022, 18:47:28 »
the 3D renders are basically this boy



should the flea make it to plastic, one can hope the scale will be tweaked a bit over the IWM guy, who is very big

Agreed--that is pretty spot on from the 3D renders of the new Flea I've seen from Scroggins' Patreon.

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Re: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Discussion 12 - The Last Hurrah?
« Reply #10 on: 28 February 2022, 18:50:29 »
The further discussion on the Flea left me confused.  We are are NOT getting a new Flea model, correct?  He just wants us to use the locust as a proxy?

I'm not saying to use a Locust as a proxy. I'm saying that the new Flea(of which we have heard nothing about when it will be made into a mini) IS a Locust proxy, much more so than it is a Flea.
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« Reply #11 on: 28 February 2022, 23:20:17 »
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Re: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Discussion 12 - The Last Hurrah?
« Reply #12 on: 01 March 2022, 03:05:01 »
Has someone the render fo that Scroggins Flea?

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« Reply #13 on: 01 March 2022, 06:03:54 »
It's on his Patreon, not public yet.
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« Reply #14 on: 01 March 2022, 07:03:28 »
Is stuff he doing going to be adopted by Catalyst Game Labs?
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Re: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Discussion 12 - The Last Hurrah?
« Reply #15 on: 01 March 2022, 08:10:34 »
Is stuff he doing going to be adopted by Catalyst Game Labs?

Most of Scroggins' recent content has explicitly been posted as preview material for Battletech art.

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« Reply #16 on: 01 March 2022, 13:27:50 »
No word yet where new art will be seen, ignoring stuff like newer book covers and the like.
I figure a redone version of TRO Succession Wars or such could be plausible, but apparent success of the Recognition Guide series makes me wonder if we'll get another series like it, covering 'Mechs with new art and probably new 'Mechs as well.

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« Reply #17 on: 02 March 2022, 13:50:37 »
Most of Scroggins' recent content has explicitly been posted as preview material for Battletech art.

With a recommendation for his Patreon if you like the opportunity of seeing early concept art before it goes into product (there are usually no explicit or implicit links to products, just "hey we did this mech re-do and you'll probably see it in print sometimes" vibe).
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Re: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Discussion 12 - The Last Hurrah?
« Reply #18 on: 02 March 2022, 15:54:46 »
I saw a second-hand news from BT reddit, that CGL is sending emails to Wave 1 only backers that didn't receive their Shilone salvage boxes, with a redeem code the get the Shilone for free when buying from their webstore.

Apparently, if you decide not to use this code, they will keep looking for other methods for delivery, perhaps in the next campaign, or at a convention.

Considering the "even-more-awful" international shipping prices from CGL store, and european store/delivery center opening who knows when, Wave 1 only backers from RoW countries are S.O.L.

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« Reply #19 on: 02 March 2022, 16:31:33 »
While I don't dispute the facts of the costs of shipping being unfun, that feels like kind of a negative way of viewing it. This feels to me like CGL is doing everything in their (decidedly not infinite) power to try and get the cool extra gift that no one was expecting out to folks who might otherwise have missed it, and that feels like something worth applauding. Before this Wave 1 folks were unable to get a Shilone, now there is an avenue for the Shilone to be delivered, though it might not make logistical sense for everyone. That still feels like positive movement to me.

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« Reply #20 on: 02 March 2022, 17:33:08 »
While I don't dispute the facts of the costs of shipping being unfun, that feels like kind of a negative way of viewing it. This feels to me like CGL is doing everything in their (decidedly not infinite) power to try and get the cool extra gift that no one was expecting out to folks who might otherwise have missed it, and that feels like something worth applauding. Before this Wave 1 folks were unable to get a Shilone, now there is an avenue for the Shilone to be delivered, though it might not make logistical sense for everyone. That still feels like positive movement to me.

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« Reply #21 on: 02 March 2022, 19:29:42 »
While I don't dispute the facts of the costs of shipping being unfun, that feels like kind of a negative way of viewing it. This feels to me like CGL is doing everything in their (decidedly not infinite) power to try and get the cool extra gift that no one was expecting out to folks who might otherwise have missed it, and that feels like something worth applauding. Before this Wave 1 folks were unable to get a Shilone, now there is an avenue for the Shilone to be delivered, though it might not make logistical sense for everyone. That still feels like positive movement to me.

I agree that this is a positive movement for people who live in "mainstream" countries, and who already had seen benefits in paying lower shipping fees and hadn't have to contend with import taxes on top of everything else. It's a better outcome in the end that people who are able to use the offered options to get them, to do it.

For people from "out-of-the-way" countries, who had to pay 2-3 times more for shipping fees for their KS rewards, plus import fees on top of the KS value + shipping, and still be missing a product that has been given for free or can be acquired with ease for others, it sucks.

If you live in a country that doesn't fall under major distribution networks for kickstarters, you are disadvantaged, as evidenced by this kickstarter.

That is simply the truth of it, and unless you bite the bullet and get burned there is no other way to learn that as beginner. Nobody talks about it, because why should they scare of potential backers that would increase the chances of the kickstarter's success?

If there are 5% of people who didn't get their stuff at all, or got defective stuff, or a missing parts of their orders, who cares, as long as 90>% are satisfied. Kickstarter is a success.

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« Reply #22 on: 02 March 2022, 19:36:07 »
It strikes me as ironic that CGL could simply offer no such bonuses and receive no appreciable criticism

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« Reply #23 on: 02 March 2022, 20:00:48 »
Yes, it's a strange concept. That there people from one part of the world, who participated in the same venture as people from another part of the world, under the same conditions and by the same rules, but are somewhat limited in reaping the rewards of that venture, and are not satisfied and praiseworthy to the same level as other participants.

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« Reply #24 on: 02 March 2022, 20:10:41 »
It's also a strange concept that Catalyst is being treated as if that's somehow their fault and there was something they could have done to change things.  Especially when it comes to a bonus mini that was produced and given out for free as a surprise and wasn't even a promised reward for backing the kickstarter.
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« Reply #25 on: 02 March 2022, 20:25:26 »
It's also a strange concept that Catalyst is being treated as if that's somehow their fault and there was something they could have done to change things.  Especially when it comes to a bonus mini that was produced and given out for free as a surprise and wasn't even a promised reward for backing the kickstarter.

That is correct, that mini was not promised as reward for backing in the kickstarter. As stated by CGL themselves, a bonus gift that they promised for ALL backers of the kickstarter. It is CGL's responsibility to take into account all their KS backers. If you promised a free Shilone salvage box to all backers, but couldn't fulfill that promise, than it is your fault. Simple as that.

In the end, I know I'm tilting with the windmills, I know that my complaints mean nothing. CGL will do what they want. And it wasn't my intention to ruin the enjoyment of the Shilone for anyone that got it.

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Re: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Discussion 12 - The Last Hurrah?
« Reply #26 on: 02 March 2022, 20:43:01 »
When did they promise it?  I remember them saying they were throwing it in with the second wave and would look for a way to get to everyone who didn't get a second wave, but I don't remember them flat out promising everyone would get one.   They certainly didn't say it before anyone put any money down with an expectation of getting it.  Either way, they did find a way to get one to people for free, but "free" and "at no cost" rarely ever mean the same thing when shipping is involved. I can totally understand not wanting to pay insane shipping to get one fig, but it's not like you've lost anything if you just let it go.

EDIT:  The other stuff, I totally understand being upset about.   I'm not personally all that interested in it (or any of the digital stuff really), but it was a listed reward so they really should get it out.

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« Reply #27 on: 02 March 2022, 20:57:07 »
I guess the lesson is don't give out free things to some people, because the rest of the people will get upset at not getting a thing that they didn't ask for, expect, pay for, or earn.

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« Reply #28 on: 03 March 2022, 14:38:04 »
I got an email from DHL today that ShipQuest handed them a shipment for me.
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« Reply #29 on: 03 March 2022, 14:39:56 »
Got a shipping notice on my copy of Tukayyid and a salvage box of some sort.  And of course it's the day I got away for two weeks...
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