Author Topic: Master Unit List (MUL) Feedback Thread IV - READ THE FIRST POST (Read 69701 times)

Sartris · « **Reply #300 on:** 04 October 2023, 11:03:20 »

Quote from: Lanceman on 04 October 2023, 08:24:26

The Reptar EPT-C-1 MilitiaMech is missing a PV and Alpha Strike card. It does have a full record sheet in the back of Interstellar Players 3.

Huh. The never-ending game of whack a mole continues. Thank you

jasonf · « **Reply #301 on:** 07 October 2023, 01:02:43 »

The Black Knight 6-RR could use some availability clean-up. It has Mercs, Unique, and Extinct in the CW era, and Unique and Extinct in the Jihad era.

Don't know when the extinction should set in, but definitely shouldn't coexist with the other availabilities.

Tallgiraffe · « **Reply #302 on:** 09 October 2023, 13:06:26 »

Minor nitpick here, but the http://www.masterunitlist.info/Unit/Details/7696/centurion-cn10-j has the 'REAR' special as 'Rear'.

mitchberthelson · « **Reply #303 on:** 13 October 2023, 17:22:02 »

GOL-1H Goliath is not listed as available to SLDF or Rim Worlds in the SL era.

SCP-1N Scorpion as well.

This is odd, since both were built for the SLDF, their factory world, Oliver, was in the Terran Hegemony at the time, and at they appear on some relevant RAT's from the era.

Sartris · « **Reply #304 on:** 13 October 2023, 19:22:15 »

Will look into that

pokefan548 · « **Reply #305 on:** 14 October 2023, 14:55:59 »

MUL seems to be a bit slow at the moment.

MoneyLovinOgre4Hire · « **Reply #306 on:** 14 October 2023, 15:38:58 »

It seems to have that issue on occasion.

pokefan548 · « **Reply #307 on:** 15 October 2023, 19:30:12 »

Noticing that there are no entries for the construction example Mobile Structures from TO:AUE. If y'all want, I'd like to start getting some of the stats from those (as are pertinent to the MUL) put together. Starting off with...

DropShip Mover
Tonnage: 11,328
Battle Value: 9,168
Cost: 4,573,544,000 C-bills
Rules Level: Advanced
Technology: Inner Sphere
Unit Type: Advanced Support - Mobile Structure
Unit Role: None
Date Introduced: Per TPTB
Era: Per TPTB
Notes: No record sheet.

Work Shown
Cost:

Code: [Select]

COST CALCULATION:

19 hexes x 4 levels x 150 CF = 11,400 CF

Structure Cost: 20,000 [Fortress] * 11,400 [Total CF] = 228,000,000

Engine: 10,000 [Fusion] * 304 [Engine Tonnage] = 3,040,000

Motive System: (10,000 [Ground] * 11,400 [CF] * 2 [MP]) * 19 [Hexes] = 4,332,000,000

Armor: 10,000 [IS Armor] * 38 [Armor Tonnage] = 380,000

Weapons and Equipment: (500,000 [Landing Deck] * 19) + (50,000 [Lift Hoist] * 12) + (2,000 [Searchlight] * 12) = 10,124,000

(228,000 [Structure Cost] + 3,040,000 [Engine Cost] + 4,332,000,000 [Motive System Cost] + 380,000 [Armor Cost] + 10,124,000 [Weapon and Equipment Cost]) * (1 + 11,400 [CF] / 100) = 525,957,560,000

Final Cost: 4,573,544,000 C-bills

Battle Value:

Code: [Select]

BATTLE VALUE CALCULATION:

-=Defensive Battle Rating=-
608 [Armor Factor] * 2.5 = 1,520

11,400 [CF] * 1.5 = 17,100

17,100 * 0.5 = 8,550

Defensive Battle Rating: 18,620

-=Offensive Battle Rating=-
19 [Hexes] * 50 = 950

950 * 0.65 [Speed Factor] = 617.5

8,550 [DBR] + 617.5 [OBR] = 9,167.5

9,167.5 (RUP) = 9,168

Fina Battle Value: 9,168

Tallgiraffe · « **Reply #308 on:** 16 October 2023, 12:21:52 »

Why is it that the http://www.masterunitlist.info/Unit/Details/7318/mongoose-gunslinger-mon-66gx model has MAS, but the http://www.masterunitlist.info/Unit/Details/4148/exterminator-ext-4c doesn't? They both have the same stealth technology, but one gets a bonus standing still and the other doesn't? Shouldn't the Exterminator get it as well?

Sartris · « **Reply #309 on:** 16 October 2023, 18:41:03 »

Quote from: Tallgiraffe on 16 October 2023, 12:21:52

Why is it that the http://www.masterunitlist.info/Unit/Details/7318/mongoose-gunslinger-mon-66gx model has MAS, but the http://www.masterunitlist.info/Unit/Details/4148/exterminator-ext-4c doesn't? They both have the same stealth technology, but one gets a bonus standing still and the other doesn't? Shouldn't the Exterminator get it as well?

This has been fixed, thanks

Baldur Mekorig · « **Reply #310 on:** 16 October 2023, 20:34:50 »

I am sorry if this is not the correct place to ask away, but there is a number of units that appear in the Periphery General tables in Tamar Rising, that do not appear in the MUL.

Tamerlan
Centipede
Turhan
Main Gaunche (XL versión)
Theseus (RL)
Cóndor Upgrade (3054)
Vengance Upgrade (3056)
Leopard CV (3056)
Unión 3055
Unión X

Sartris · « **Reply #311 on:** 16 October 2023, 20:53:06 »

Ilclan era books are still in the queue for review

Oriffel · « **Reply #312 on:** 17 October 2023, 16:27:27 »

The Vigilant Corvette is not listed for the Free Worlds League in the MUL in Either the Star League or Early Succession Wars eras. There was the FWLS Samhain, which fought in the first Succession war.
As stated in First Succession War, p. 56, "Corey and Wazan"

Not sure if this counts, but the Taurians also had a New Syrtis Carrier during the Star League era that is not listed on the MUL.
As stated in Historical: Reunification War, pp. 67–68, (and possibly p 200).

Lanceman · « **Reply #313 on:** 22 October 2023, 20:08:39 »

I was looking for the Generic Expandable Services Vehicle from Handbook House Davion on the MUL. It looks like they had an entry at one point, as MegaMekLab gives it the ID number 4207. Do these still need to be added, or have they been added previously and now removed or folded into something else?

Sartris · « **Reply #314 on:** 22 October 2023, 21:02:32 »

record 4207 no longer exists and that unit is not associated with HB:HD. will see about what happened to it

Weirdo · « **Reply #315 on:** 25 October 2023, 12:55:53 »

I suspect the Boreas B should have a starting availability later than Succession Wars, given that it is armed with a Bearhunter AC. :)

Sartris · « **Reply #316 on:** 25 October 2023, 23:35:49 »

looks like there's an error in the availability code. it's listed as F/X-F-E/F

AlphaDeadOne · « **Reply #317 on:** 29 October 2023, 01:20:56 »

Delete this. Found out my answer another way. Thanks

Sartris · « **Reply #318 on:** 29 October 2023, 01:54:50 »

The line about being widely available only applies to the base model (http://masterunitlist.info/Unit/Details/2445/partisan-heavy-tank), and originates from TRO 3039.

C3 did begin as a Kurita-exclusive piece of gear, but quickly spread to other realms during the clan invasion. Both the Lance Command and Company Command variants were built in Davion space.

Tallgiraffe · « **Reply #319 on:** 30 October 2023, 13:07:10 »

http://www.masterunitlist.info/Unit/Details/4111/eagle-egl-r9 Mounts nothing but Medium Lasers and PPCs per the 3075 (Age of War) record sheet, so it should have ENE like the R6 does.

http://www.masterunitlist.info/Unit/Details/4107/eagle-egl-r10 Also mounts mostly Medium Lasers and a Large Laser too so it should have ENE.

Sartris · « **Reply #320 on:** 30 October 2023, 15:04:32 »

fixed

ShroudedSciuridae · « **Reply #321 on:** 31 October 2023, 16:26:14 »

Blackwasp should be BlackWasp
http://www.masterunitlist.info/Unit/Details/390/blackwasp-mk-30

DanghenWoolf · « **Reply #322 on:** 02 November 2023, 08:57:46 »

Feature Requests:

1. Custom text titles for exported/printed lists
2. Era or Year in force list table on export (dropdown?)

Bison AIs · « **Reply #323 on:** 04 November 2023, 10:11:49 »

Agrotera AGT-1A's listed BV is 1608 but should probably be 1578.

1608 is the value it'd have if the arm AES weapon BV multiplier was 1.5, but that multiplier was errata'd to 1.25, making the final errat'd BV 1578 (MM,Mordel).

The AES discrepancy may affect other AES equipped units (e.g. Mortis 1A & 1P) though not all (e.g. PTR-7D, HCT-7R...).

Sartris · « **Reply #324 on:** 04 November 2023, 10:47:00 »

That seems like a logical explanation. Will confirm and check other units

Thanks

Kharn01 · « **Reply #325 on:** 09 November 2023, 07:05:50 »

Skill improvement:

Example: Xanthos XNT-6O
Base PV = 58

Rules:
...an additional increase of 1 more point (per point of Skill value increase) for
every 5 base PV the unit is worth after that.

MUL says 70 points on Skill 3. But it is only 6 points over 52.

'every 5 base PV' -> RAW should it be for every FULL 5 PV over the Base PV

Am I wrong? Or is the wording unclear? Or is the MUL wrong?

nckestrel · « **Reply #326 on:** 09 November 2023, 09:22:49 »

the Improved-Skill PV Increase Table covers up to
48-52 for 10 PV.
53-57 is 11
58-62 is 12

Empyrus · « **Reply #327 on:** 12 November 2023, 21:13:13 »

Page 20 of Field Manual ComStar suggests ComGuards 1st Army utilizes the Wolf Trap mech and Tokugawa tanks (along with other unnamed Draconis Combine designs), though these are not reflected in the book's RATs (nor in FMUpdates RATs).
Page 26 suggests the ComStar 4th Army utilizes Kanazuchi and Raiden Battle Armor.
(Page 34 suggests 8th Army utilizes Cestus and Thunder Hawk, both of which are available to ComStar in MUL.)

Given the sizes of ComStar Armies, perhaps this makes the units candidates to be listed in ComStar MUL?

Scarecrow · « **Reply #328 on:** 14 November 2023, 20:04:25 »

I am working on a Liao unit and want to add the Men Shen Omni prime variant. The base point for it is 55 points, that is more expensive than a Timberwolf Prime or a Templar prime assault mech. Is this a miscalculation? The points are for Alpha Strike

BaachicLitNerd · « **Reply #329 on:** 15 November 2023, 16:09:20 »

Quote from: Scarecrow on 14 November 2023, 20:04:25

I am working on a Liao unit and want to add the Men Shen Omni prime variant. The base point for it is 55 points, that is more expensive than a Timberwolf Prime or a Templar prime assault mech. Is this a miscalculation? The points are for Alpha Strike

TMM 3 is the big difference. High movers get a significant PV tax for their speed and dodgy-ness, especially those that still carry a significant load of armor like the Men Shen