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CT-156 Harvard II (Canadian version of the Beech/Pilatus T-6 Texan II) flying with an original Harvard (North American T-6 Texan)


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How very Tucano-like the new one looks... ;)

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That's a very heritage scheme there. The RCAF has long used the Maple Leaf roundel.
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How very Tucano-like the new one looks... ;)

Modern-ish turboprop trainers all tend to look alike even more than jet trainers do, since the requirements are similar - aerobatics capable, turbine engines like pretty much anything a military pilot will fly with more performance than a GA aircraft, but also rugged and easy to maintain because students inevitably result in some rough handling. They almost all even use the same family of engines (Pratt & Whitney Canada PT6).

They definitely tend to about the weight and power of an early WW2 fighter (think Battle of Britain planes) with weight saved by the engine coming back as avionics and ejections seats. Longer due to the second ejection seat, and I assume the squared off wings and control surfaces make for easier construction and repair, but that means that all the trainers (adding the KAI KT-1 Woongbi and TAI Hürkuş) look a bit like a cross between an Me109 and a P-51D

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That makes sense to me! :)

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RAF Shorts Tucano T.1



The replacement Beechcraft T-6 Texan T.1


And a Super Tucano for reference


KA-1 (light attack member of the KAI family)


TAI Hürkuş


HAL HTT-40 - a bit unusual in that it doesn't use a PT-6


RAAF Pilatus PC-21


Also, dark gloss paint also seems to be used by Canada and New Zealand for trainers as well, although the Kiwis and Brits seem to go for black while the Canadian planes are a dark navy.

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Heh... I guess they assume new pilots won't drag their tails... ;D

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On a recent trip back & forth from Ecuador to the US, I got to see Ecuador's Super Tucanos lined up on the tarmac at Manta International Airport (which also doubles as an airbase for the FAE). In another trip back & forth via Guayaquil, I saw one of Ecuador's retired Mirage F.1s. At least it was a thrill for me...

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I love that really dark blue color. I wish i could find that in a good paint color....want to paint some mechs like that.
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I do love heritage paint schemes on prop trainers.

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Not heritage, but the new modern overall low-visibility grey. Considering the USAF only uses it for basic flight training, there's no real point to using a low-vis scheme. It'd arguably benefit more from something bright to help with spotting in case of accidents/VFR avoidance



Texan and Texan II


The older two-tone paint scheme is pretty sporty


Navy heritage paint scheme. I know it says Marines, but it also says Navy on the other side




RCAF Heritage Harvard II and the demonstrator team Hornet

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I love that really dark blue color. I wish i could find that in a good paint color....want to paint some mechs like that.

Listed under "Roundel Blue"
https://hedgehoghollow.com/buzz/Colour_Guide/aircraft_clr.html

I think the US Navy WW2 dark blue is a bit blue-r

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now for something weird...

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The old Flying Pancake.  It boggles the mind how that aircraft was able to operate.
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I love that really dark blue color. I wish i could find that in a good paint color....want to paint some mechs like that.

https://www.amazon.es/Vallejo-Model-Color-ACrylic-Prussian/dp/B000PH9JNC



Looks like dark prussian blue to me.

Or prussian blue with a black undercoat or a black wash.

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Navy Blue is darker than that... ;)

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That Dark Blue looks so good on those aircraft, in person probaly looks that much better.

It reminds me of the really dark blue (almost black IMHO) that was on the US Airways airplanes pre-America West Merger.
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now for something weird...



I wonder what her armaments would have been, back then, if any?

Be real interesting to say at the least.

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well, the V-173 didn't have any guns since it was just a flight demonstrator, but the uncompleted XF5U would have had 6x .50cal MG's in the wingroots on either side of the cockpit, and hard points for a pair of 1000lb bombs underneath (which presumably also would have been able to carry external fuel tanks)





sadly it came around just too late.. by the time the design got finalized and the first test model started being built in 1947, ww2 was over and jet aircraft were the big focus of interest.

ironically, at the same time that it was being cancelled, vought was already working on a jet carrier fighter for the same role.. the ill fated F7U Cutlass..
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Ah, the nutless Cutlass ...




Such a beautiful looking airframe, which wouldn't look out of place in the BattleTech universe. Cursed by poor Westinghouse engines, and the technical immaturity which forced the absurdly long (and fragile) nose gear to provide angle of attack for takeoff (and which caused no end of landing issues, both from viewpoint & pilot impalement perspectives.) One of the more intriguing "what might have been" cases.
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The way the nose and cockpit droop down it looks like it'd have fantastic forward visibility.

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The way the nose and cockpit droop down it looks like it'd have fantastic forward visibility.

Not with that nose gear.

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So very Wing Commander.

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biggest problem the cutlass had was the control system.. Hydraulics, with no alternate manual backup and no safety system built in to ensure hydraulics pressure in the event that the pump isn't working. the system also leaked badly, so even if the engine powered pumps were working, the control would lose responsiveness over time anyway.
combine that with the underpowered engines prone to flaming out... it's amazing that the USN didn't lose more of the aircraft to accidents than they did.
(also the fact that the ejection seat, which was a new feature at the time, was overly sensative and prone to accidental firing. so most pilots disabled it. in a plane that was prone to losing power and the controls going unresponsive.)

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biggest problem the cutlass had was the control system.. Hydraulics, with no alternate manual backup and no safety system built in to ensure hydraulics pressure in the event that the pump isn't working. the system also leaked badly, so even if the engine powered pumps were working, the control would lose responsiveness over time anyway.
combine that with the underpowered engines prone to flaming out... it's amazing that the USN didn't lose more of the aircraft to accidents than they did.
(also the fact that the ejection seat, which was a new feature at the time, was overly sensative and prone to accidental firing. so most pilots disabled it. in a plane that was prone to losing power and the controls going unresponsive.)

so basically your prototype that engages in New Toy Syndrome without much safety concern.
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It was an awkward stage in development; coming off the war R&D cycle, lots of new toys, lots of basics (eg. area ruling) not yet identified, etc.
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I bet a lot of issues in that period end up back at the feet of unreliable and underpowered engines. The only recourse would have been to slow development - ie designing planes around proven/existing engines, but the appetite for risk and ambition of the time meant design compromises that might not have made it past the proof-of-concept stage ended up in service.

The Allies had a fair number of WW2 designs that died on the drawing board or prototype phase simply because logistically, it wasn't worth upsetting the existing apple cart to add in a new design that was only slightly better.

You can have a great engine in a bad plane, but you can't have a great plane with bad engines.

so basically your prototype that engages in New Toy Syndrome without much safety concern.

I mean, the 50s were a time of almost wartime-levels of risk-taking, without the wartime scarcity worries. You wouldn't say, stop P-40 or early P-51 production to crank out a couple wings worth of P-75 Eagles just to try out mid-1943, but apparently in 1949, the Navy was just fine throwing that many pilots away.

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Ah, the nutless Cutlass ...




Such a beautiful looking airframe, which wouldn't look out of place in the BattleTech universe. Cursed by poor Westinghouse engines, and the technical immaturity which forced the absurdly long (and fragile) nose gear to provide angle of attack for takeoff (and which caused no end of landing issues, both from viewpoint & pilot impalement perspectives.) One of the more intriguing "what might have been" cases.

I give pretty good odds that it's the inspiration for the Lucifer. Just add canards and extend the fuselage a little more and move the vertical stabilizers onto the fuselage instead of hanging out there on the wing. Even the fluff about the Lucifer's legion of issues seems inspired by the Cutlass


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Legion of issues, yes... design overall?  Not so sure...