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Cannonshop

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240 challenge
« on: 04 September 2023, 01:00:18 »
This is linked to a fanfic.  I need an effective, cost-is-no-object Aerospace Fighter Drone that uses a 240 or 240XL engine.  This should also come with a Manned version for export sales.

Era is Non-Canon 3140's era, the customer is a 330 million ton automated space station's intelligence (Kolossus, as seen in "Strategos" parts 3 and 4.)

The base engine core will be shared with the series of drone 'mechs Kolossus is also producing for both service tasks and military use (See the 'mech design thread).

240 is a weird size, I know, it basically means some trades will be inevitable, but a design history suggesting relationships with the Blackwasp or Voidseeker is recommended, but not required.
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PuppyLikesLaserPointers

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Re: 240 challenge
« Reply #1 on: 04 September 2023, 09:43:04 »
Is only IS tech, or mixed tech is not much an issue either?

Also must the default the drone? Is it a real Drone control, not robotic?

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Re: 240 challenge
« Reply #2 on: 04 September 2023, 17:21:51 »

The Gothrone (Gotha Drone), the semi-predecessor to the BlackWasp. It was presented early enough to receive its own mark number but after a couple of years the BlackWasp was introduced. This new design made the flaws of the original Gothrone quickly apparent, for even with the engine upgrade it was outmaneuvered by the BlackWasp and the latter also was not limited by ammunition concerns.
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Type: Gothrone Mk 29 (original)
Technology Base: Inner Sphere (Advanced)
Tonnage: 60
Battle Value: 1,417

Equipment                                          Mass
Engine                        240 Fusion           11.5
Safe Thrust: 6
Max Thrust: 9
Structural Integrity:         6                       
Heat Sinks:                   10 [20]                 0
Fuel:                         480                   6.0
Cockpit                                               3
Armor Factor (Ferro)          241                  13.5

                           Armor   
                           Value   
     Nose                    71   
     Wings                 60/60   
     Aft                     50   


Weapons
and Ammo                       Location   Tonnage  Heat   SRV  MRV  LRV  ERV
Large Laser                      NOS       5.0      8      8    8    0    0 
2 Small Laser                    NOS       1.0      1      3    0    0    0 
LRM 15                           RWG       7.0      5      9    9    9    0 
Small Laser                      RWG       0.5      1      3    0    0    0 
LRM 15 Ammo (16)                 FSLG      2.0      -      -    -    -    - 
Smart Robotic Control System     FSLG      3.0      -      -    -    -    - 
LRM 15                           LWG       7.0      5      9    9    9    0 
Small Laser                      LWG       0.5      1      3    0    0    0 



Centuries later the design was resurrected and improved by switching to an XL engine and more advanced control systems.
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Type: Gothrone Mk 29 (XL)
Technology Base: Inner Sphere (Experimental)
Tonnage: 60
Battle Value: 1,570

Equipment                                          Mass
Engine                        240 XL                  6
Safe Thrust: 6
Max Thrust: 9
Structural Integrity:         6                       
Heat Sinks:                   11 [22]                 1
Fuel:                         480                   6.0
Cockpit                                               3
Armor Factor (Ferro)          250                    14

                           Armor   
                           Value   
     Nose                    75   
     Wings                 62/62   
     Aft                     51   


Weapons
and Ammo                                          Location   Tonnage  Heat   SRV  MRV  LRV  ERV
LRM 15                                              RWG       7.0      5      9    9    9    0 
ER Large Laser                                      NOS       5.0      12     8    8    8    0 
Shielded Aerospace Smart Robotic Control System     FSLG      5.0      -      -    -    -    - 
LRM 15 Ammo (32)                                    FSLG      4.0      -      -    -    -    - 
LRM 15                                              LWG       7.0      5      9    9    9    0 
2 Medium Laser                                      AFT       2.0      3      5    0    0    0 


And there is also an manned export model that uses the original engine:
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Gothrone Mk 29 (manned)

Mass: 60 tons
Frame: Unknown
Power Plant: 240 Fusion
Armor: Ferro-Aluminum
Armament:
     2 Medium Laser
     2 LRM 15
     1 ER Large Laser
Manufacturer: Unknown
     Primary Factory: Unknown
Communication System: Unknown
Targeting & Tracking System: Unknown
Introduction Year: 2713
Tech Rating/Availability: E/E-F(F*)-D-D
Cost: 3,565,640 C-bills

Type: Gothrone Mk 29
Technology Base: Inner Sphere (Standard)
Tonnage: 60
Battle Value: 1,543

Equipment                                          Mass
Engine                        240 Fusion           11.5
Safe Thrust: 6
Max Thrust: 9
Structural Integrity:         6                       
Heat Sinks:                   11 [22]                 1
Fuel:                         480                   6.0
Cockpit                                               3
Armor Factor (Ferro)          241                  13.5

                           Armor   
                           Value   
     Nose                    71   
     Wings                 60/60   
     Aft                     50   


Weapons
and Ammo              Location   Tonnage  Heat   SRV  MRV  LRV  ERV
LRM 15                  RWG       7.0      5      9    9    9    0 
ER Large Laser          NOS       5.0      12     8    8    8    0 
LRM 15 Ammo (32)        FSLG      4.0      -      -    -    -    - 
LRM 15                  LWG       7.0      5      9    9    9    0 
2 Medium Laser          AFT       2.0      3      5    0    0    0 

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Re: 240 challenge
« Reply #3 on: 13 September 2023, 15:44:03 »
How about an XXL engine?  Or is that too expensive for a multi-megaton space AI?

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Sketch Aero

Mass: 30 tons
Frame: Unknown
Power Plant: 240 XXL
Cruising Speed: 108 kph
Maximum Speed: 162 kph
Armor: Ferro-Aluminum
Armament:
     2 ER Large Laser
Manufacturer: Unknown
     Primary Factory: Unknown
Communication System: Unknown
Targeting & Tracking System: Unknown
Introduction Year: 3145
Tech Rating/Availability: F/X-X-X-F
Cost: 12,691,745 C-bills

Type: Sketch
Technology Base: Inner Sphere (Experimental)
Tonnage: 30
Battle Value: 1,068

Equipment                                          Mass
Engine                        240 XXL                 4
    Safe Thrust: 10
    Max Thrust: 15
Structural Integrity:         0                       
Heat Sinks:                   10 [20]                 0
Fuel:                         400                   5.0
Cockpit                                               3
Armor Factor (Ferro)          98                    5.5

                           Armor   
                           Value   
     Nose                    41   
     Wings                 21/21   
     Aft                     15   


Weapons
and Ammo                                 Location   Tonnage  Heat   SRV  MRV  LRV  ERV
ER Large Laser                             RWG       5.0      12     8    8    8    0 
Smart Robotic Control System(Improved)     FSLG      2.5      -      -    -    -    - 
ER Large Laser                             LWG       5.0      12     8    8    8    0 
« Last Edit: 13 September 2023, 15:46:17 by Vehrec »
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PuppyLikesLaserPointers

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Re: 240 challenge
« Reply #4 on: 15 September 2023, 09:41:09 »
If XXL and/or clans weapons are allowed then it would be better, though.

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Bubo Stealth Fighter (Robot)

Mass: 80 tons
Frame: Unknown
Power Plant: 240 XL
Armor: Vehicular Stealth
Armament:
     2 Large VSP Laser
Manufacturer: Unknown
     Primary Factory: Unknown
Communication System: Unknown
Targeting & Tracking System: Unknown
Introduction Year: 3145
Tech Rating/Availability: E/X-X-X-F
Cost: 12,655,020 C-bills

Type: Bubo Stealth Fighter
Technology Base: Inner Sphere (Experimental)
Tonnage: 80
Battle Value: 2,453

Equipment                                          Mass
Engine                        240 XL                  6
Safe Thrust: 5
Max Thrust: 8
Structural Integrity:         0                       
Heat Sinks:                   15 [30]                 5
Fuel:                         400                   5.0
Small Cockpit                                         2
Armor Factor (Vehicular Stealth)568                  35.5

                           Armor   
                           Value   
     Nose                   192   
     Wings                142/142 
     Aft                     92   


Weapons
and Ammo                                          Location   Tonnage  Heat   SRV  MRV  LRV  ERV
2 Large VSP Laser                                   NOS       18.0     10    10    7    0    0 
Shielded Aerospace Smart Robotic Control System     FSLG      6.5      -      -    -    -    - 
ECM Suite                                           FSLG      1.5      -      -    -    -    - 


What about this? Its speed is not that good but it's still serviceable. With Stealth Armor it is hard to snipe it out before it can fire. Consider hard penalty on the roll against target with Long/Extreme range, you don't need to invest much for the long ranged weapons, and you won't get shot thanks to stealth armor too.

Note that the robot components are shielded so it have no ill effect for activating its stealth armor, apart they are hard to communicate with the others.

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Re: 240 challenge
« Reply #5 on: 15 September 2023, 09:52:05 »
Bubo, hm?  Clash of the Titans reference, or something else inspire the name?
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Re: 240 challenge
« Reply #6 on: 15 September 2023, 16:34:31 »
Bubo, hm?  Clash of the Titans reference, or something else inspire the name?

That's the scientific name of a kind of eagle owl.

ANS Kamas P81

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Re: 240 challenge
« Reply #7 on: 15 September 2023, 17:13:04 »
That's probably where CotT got it from as well, then.
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kindalas

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Re: 240 challenge
« Reply #8 on: 16 September 2023, 00:19:02 »
The TeraFin is a new design that has been popping up on military speculator markets for a while now. Like most "for export" designs there is always a delicate balance that need to be maintained between sharing technical details with clients and hiding those same technical details from their enemies. This craft has been leaning heavily on the hiding details side of the "for export" balance.

What we do know about the TF-01 is that it has extremely high endurance with over double the fuel capacity of its competitors.

It also has an extensive electronics suite composed of what appears to be a Guardian ECM system, a Beagle Probe, a Targeting computer and oddly a Satellite Imager system.

We have promotional pictures showing a TF-01 hitting a [stationary] target from over 10,000 km away.

The weapons are grouped into three clusters, with a pair of mounted lasers and an under-slung rotary auto-cannon.

The engine is a standard Pitban model similar to what is found on the Awesome and the armor has been described as "thicc" by the sales representative who we interviewed.

The same representative, who wished to remain anonymous, directed us to maintenance and service agreements where we learned that the craft is armored like a battleship with 16 tons of Heavy Ferro-Aluminum Armor and a rock solid heat and power distribution system capable of letting the fighter fire until its ammo bins run dry with out any risk of performance degradation.

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TeraFin TF-01

Mass: 80 tons
Power Plant: 240 Fusion
Armor: Heavy Ferro-Aluminum
Armament:
     1 Rotary AC/5
     2 ER Large Laser
Manufacturer: Unknown
     Primary Factory: Unknown
Introduction Year: 3140
Tech Rating/Availability: E/X-X-X-D
Cost: 5,470,080 C-bills

Type: TeraFin
Technology Base: Inner Sphere (Standard)
Tonnage: 80
Battle Value: 2,104

Equipment                                          Mass
Engine                        240 Fusion           11.5
Safe Thrust: 5
Max Thrust: 8
Structural Integrity:         0                       
Heat Sinks:                   15 [30]                 5
Fuel:                         960                  12.0
Cockpit                                               3
Armor Factor (Heavy Ferro)    317                    16

                           Armor   
                           Value   
     Nose                    94   
     Wings                 81/81   
     Aft                     61   


Weapons
and Ammo                Location   Tonnage  Heat   SRV  MRV  LRV  ERV
ER Large Laser            RWG       5.0      12     8    8    8    0 
Rotary AC/5               NOS       10.0     1     20   20    0    0 
Satellite Imager          NOS       2.5      -      -    -    -    - 
Active Probe              FSLG      1.5      -      -    -    -    - 
ECM Suite                 FSLG      1.5      -      -    -    -    - 
Rotary AC/5 Ammo (40)     FSLG      2.0      -      -    -    -    - 
Targeting Computer        FSLG      5.0      -      -    -    -    - 
ER Large Laser            LWG       5.0      12     8    8    8    0 



[Addendum: The following information is confidential and viewing it without proper authorization may be punishable by 20 years in prison and a forfeiture of all military pensions and survivor benefits.]

That same sales representative revealed after a chemical boosted debriefing the details of the TF-XX the non-export model.

It reads like a mix of WoB conspiracy and SLDF dark project conspiracies.

But we include it here because the technical information that was provided line up with structural peculiarities of the TF-01 space-frame.

The TF-XX is powered by a XL Pitban Fusion engine, and it is covered by over 19 tons of reflective aerospace armor.

The auto-cannon assembly has been completely replaced with what appear to be a trio of laser anti missile systems.

The fuel tanks has been expanded and the control system appears to be a fully autonomous shielded system with an auxiliary conventional cockpit control system.

These specifications have yet to be verified by hands on analysis by our technical teams but everything we know about the TF-01 design gives credibility to these claims.

The export model [like many export models before it] has unnecessary structural voids and armor pattern coverage that that isn't fully optimized.

The TF-XX as described would [speculation] fill those voids and the armor coverage would protect those specialized components.

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TeraFin TF-XX

Mass: 80 tons
Power Plant: 240 XL
Armor: Reflective
Armament:
     3 Laser AMS
     2 ER Large Laser
Introduction Year: 3140
Tech Rating/Availability: E/X-X-X-F
Cost: 11,262,020 C-bills

Type: TeraFin
Technology Base: Inner Sphere (Experimental)
Tonnage: 80
Battle Value: 2,106

Equipment                                          Mass
Engine                        240 XL                  6
Safe Thrust: 5
Max Thrust: 8
Structural Integrity:         0                       
Heat Sinks:                   18 [36]                 8
Fuel:                         1200                 15.0
Command Console                                       6
Armor Factor (Reflective)     312                  19.5

                           Armor   
                           Value   
     Nose                    94   
     Wings                 78/78   
     Aft                     62   


Weapons
and Ammo                                          Location   Tonnage  Heat   SRV  MRV  LRV  ERV
ER Large Laser                                      RWG       5.0      12     8    8    8    0 
3 Laser AMS                                         NOS       4.5      7      3    0    0    0 
Shielded Aerospace Smart Robotic Control System     FSLG      6.5      -      -    -    -    - 
ECM Suite                                           FSLG      1.5      -      -    -    -    - 
Targeting Computer                                  FSLG      3.0      -      -    -    -    - 
ER Large Laser                                      LWG       5.0      12     8    8    8    0 


truetanker

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Re: 240 challenge
« Reply #9 on: 16 September 2023, 14:32:37 »
Is there a Society refit for the TeraFin TF-XX?

TT
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kindalas

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Re: 240 challenge
« Reply #10 on: 16 September 2023, 21:35:09 »
Is there a Society refit for the TeraFin TF-XX?

TT


This is what would happen with a Clan tech base.

Lasers go to Clan tech.

And Angel ECM replaces the Guardian, a Clan Active Probe gets added, the Laser AMS get upgraded to four Clan units and extra heatsinks get added to it.

It doesn't do much more then the XX but it is slightly more effective at those things.


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TeraFin TF-XX-C

Mass: 80 tons
Frame: Unknown
Power Plant: 240 XL
Armor: Reflective
Armament:
     4 Laser AMS
     2 ER Large Laser
Introduction Year: 3140
Tech Rating/Availability: F/X-X-X-F
Cost: 12,629,820 C-bills

Type: TeraFin
Technology Base: Mixed (Experimental)
Tonnage: 80
Battle Value: 2,492

Equipment                                          Mass
Engine                        240 XL                  6
Safe Thrust: 5
Max Thrust: 8
Structural Integrity:         8                       
Heat Sinks:                   20 [40]                10
Fuel:                         1200                 15.0
Command Console                                       6
Armor Factor (Reflective)     312                  19.5

                           Armor   
                           Value   
     Nose                    94   
     Wings                 78/78   
     Aft                     62   


Weapons
and Ammo                                          Location   Tonnage  Heat   SRV  MRV  LRV  ERV
ER Large Laser                                      RWG       4.0      12    10   10   10   10 
4 Laser AMS                                         NOS       4.0      5      3    0    0    0 
Active Probe                                        FSLG      1.0      -      -    -    -    - 
Targeting Computer                                  FSLG      2.0      -      -    -    -    - 
Angel ECM Suite                                     FSLG      2.0      -      -    -    -    - 
Shielded Aerospace Smart Robotic Control System     FSLG      6.5      -      -    -    -    - 
ER Large Laser                                      LWG       4.0      12    10   10   10   10 

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