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Re: Return of Fire & Blood
« Reply #30 on: 03 October 2023, 07:14:02 »
Zeta Galaxy, Clan Hell's Horses defended Niles and all outlying Enclaves. Having never been to the IS, they were blamed for bringing the IS Tainted home.
They fought fiercely enough and ensured proper zellbrigen, even when they lost the Trials, that the Star Adders proclaimed them a new clan. Which helped them establishing their identity.

They certainly like Sauna's and lots of whippings  :evil:

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Re: Return of Fire & Blood
« Reply #31 on: 03 October 2023, 11:41:47 »
Well Niles has one of the few undamaged Yardslips left, unlike Lum...

That calls for a fiercely defense, lose the system, lose the slip.

As is, the York Brimstone, the two Lola IIIs, Red Knight and Anathema is quite a force for just TWO Galaxies, mostly Binaries worth of Harvest Trial isola.

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Re: Return of Fire & Blood
« Reply #32 on: 03 October 2023, 17:50:19 »
any shrapnel submission regarding fates of the assumed-dead homeworld clans will be rejected. it's the Chernobyl exclusion zone of product topics.

I would make sad ‘Wolverine’ noises but we at least get a mention in said submissions


However….

Nothing says you can’t write about said factions BEFORE their destruction: flesh out a small piece of their history into something more. Look out Turning Points Foster as a good Fire Mandrill example.

The odds that certain clans will make an appearance again in the current timeline are astronomically low as made mention on the posts before this. Now elements of them may make an appearance (Bloodnames, mech/vehicle designs, even mentions of them) but the odds they make an actual appearance back from the dead are almost absolute zero. Very few ‘mysteries’ exist left in BT canon to exploit to that level.

Might you have the Green Ghosts have a couple ex-Blood Spirits? Maybe but they’d be 80-100 years of age: their descendants maybe. But we’re more likely to see say the Ice Hellions as a new Clan because there are at least direct descendants with an active storyline in the Escorpion Empire.


Back on the original topic: I do like the Blood Spirits and the Mandrills for different reasons… mostly they had some good tech at one point lol

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Re: Return of Fire & Blood
« Reply #33 on: 03 October 2023, 21:12:10 »
And nothing says you can't have Mandrill genes that shows itself when angry.

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Re: Return of Fire & Blood
« Reply #34 on: 04 October 2023, 06:29:34 »
Honestly what needs more filling in is the Fire Mandrills early history.

It's always been implied (to me anyway) that the Clan wasn't half bad in the early days. The Kindred Associations or Kindrasc started as a kind of competitiveness to demonstrate their own prowess, and the prowess of their bloodline, an early manifestation of the eugenics program actually shaping the behavior and goals of individual warriors. It was also individual warriors and eventually Bloodname Houses pooling some resources together as allies.

I've always found the Clans Bloodname House politics interesting. And some version of that being told could be an interesting variation on Bloodname House politics. Just taken to a unique place.

There also used to be a lot more Kindraa that we don't have names or information for. Originally 14 of them. Over the decades Clan fans have been eager to learn more about the Clans that were already gone, like Widowmaker and Mongoose. I definitely think there could be some interesting stories to tell about some of the Kindraa that we never got a chance to know.

We also have an exclusive bloodname, Jannik, that never gets a single named reference anywhere. I suspect by the 3050s this is a subordinate Bloodname House to another Kindraa, like Sainze, where all the senior officers tend to be of the leading Bloodname House(s) of that Kindraa and so all the Jannik warriors are subordinates. But it also just leaves room to flesh out that Bloodname, its history, characteristics, etc.

There are some story worthy gaps here for sure, IMO. But I do think it's mostly to be found in the early days of the Clans, or the Golden Century. For the Mandrills those eras probably represented a more hopeful and optimistic time. The closest thing the Mandrills ever had to a golden age.

Feel free to use any of the above for inspiration for story writing.
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Re: Return of Fire & Blood
« Reply #35 on: 04 October 2023, 15:07:39 »
I'll go one further - it's been outright stated that the Fire Mandrills had actually became a fairly powerful Clan that was expected to do well in the Revival trials.  That is until they imploded due to being Fire Mandrills.  It was the run-up to Revival that marked their apex of power, while squabbling about Operation Revival was what led to a drop off, then a steady decline from that point onward until they disintegrated during the Wars of Reaving.
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Re: Return of Fire & Blood
« Reply #36 on: 05 October 2023, 00:35:52 »
I've been idly musing about the Mandrills splitting up Fox-style, where each Clan has a Kindraa enclave that sorta serves as a pseudo-French Foreign Legion for their hosts.

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Re: Return of Fire & Blood
« Reply #37 on: 13 October 2023, 17:20:45 »
if both clans came back to life i think it would be great to see both combine and create a new clan called Spirit Mandrills or Fire Spirits

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Re: Return of Fire & Blood
« Reply #38 on: 17 October 2023, 12:34:47 »
Fire Blood?

Blood Fire?

Bloody Monkey?

Monkey Blood!!1!

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Re: Return of Fire & Blood
« Reply #39 on: 17 October 2023, 21:50:36 »
When will Catalyst update the fate of the home world clans up to current timeline?

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Re: Return of Fire & Blood
« Reply #40 on: 17 October 2023, 22:02:39 »
Hopefully never. Let the Star Adders die the way they lived, in utter obscurity. Best revenge ever.
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Re: Return of Fire & Blood
« Reply #41 on: 17 October 2023, 22:03:55 »
A full hour after you've given up holding your breath... Or about ten or so years...

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Re: Return of Fire & Blood
« Reply #42 on: 18 October 2023, 03:47:11 »
Hopefully never. Let the Star Adders die the way they lived, in utter obscurity. Best revenge ever.
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Bad losers the Spirits were when they were alive and even as ghost they still are.
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Re: Return of Fire & Blood
« Reply #43 on: 18 October 2023, 05:28:18 »
:laugh:
Bad losers the Spirits were when they were alive and even as ghost they still are.

Better a "sore loser" than being Clan Pick-Me. :wink:
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Re: Return of Fire & Blood
« Reply #44 on: 24 October 2023, 20:25:36 »
There has to be someone left for the mandrils and spirits that survived the wars of reavings....somewhere in the stars they wait to emerge.

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Re: Return of Fire & Blood
« Reply #45 on: 24 October 2023, 20:29:40 »
They are hiding in the fan fiction section, waiting for their story to be told.
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Re: Return of Fire & Blood
« Reply #46 on: 24 October 2023, 20:33:04 »
Just like the smoke jaguars and Ice Hellions. Some how fan fiction became reality

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Re: Return of Fire & Blood
« Reply #47 on: 24 October 2023, 20:34:05 »
Let's not forget the Nova cats. Living in the Free Worlds league

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Re: Return of Fire & Blood
« Reply #48 on: 24 October 2023, 21:38:33 »
The Nova Cats were not destroyed.  The DC is terribly arrogant to claim they completed an annihilation.  They started something that they could not finish, which is typical of them.

The Hellions are no more.  The only stories of them are from the time when they did exist.

The Jaguars were resurrected.  True.

The Mandrills and Blood Spirits still exist in their timeframes.  And maybe they can be resurrected too.  Hell, Clan Star Adder was granted a trial of Absorption of the Blood Spirits, not an Annihilation, so it is conceivably possible. 

Just exceedingly unlikely.

But Fan fiction is not disappearing any time soon.
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Re: Return of Fire & Blood
« Reply #49 on: 25 October 2023, 07:07:49 »
There has to be someone left for the mandrils and spirits that survived the wars of reavings....somewhere in the stars they wait to emerge.

Well there were hints that surviving Blood Spirits are among the Green Ghosts.
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Re: Return of Fire & Blood
« Reply #50 on: 25 October 2023, 19:16:39 »
Well there were hints that surviving Blood Spirits are among the Green Ghosts.

Where is that mentioned?
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Re: Return of Fire & Blood
« Reply #51 on: 26 October 2023, 03:07:51 »
I want to know that too. From what I found was that the Green Ghosts had equipment from the failed Ice Hellion invasion of the Falcon OZ ( and even surviving warriors) among their ranks. Other Hellions became mercenaries in the Hansa (I think that was the Hansa)

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Re: Return of Fire & Blood
« Reply #52 on: 26 October 2023, 04:07:17 »
They will return when the Homeclans are going to reappear .
Among them will be hardened elite warriors carrying the bloodnames the Blood Houses of the ex Blood Spirits and ex Fire Mandrills, now fighting for their new Clan(s).
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Re: Return of Fire & Blood
« Reply #53 on: 26 October 2023, 04:44:43 »
We're not going to see Blood Spirit Bloodnames in the other Clans. The Adders made a specific point to destroy their genetic repository and I highly doubt they kept anything from the Master Repository since they were Abjured (de facto Annihilated).

And personally, I wouldn't want to see it happen anyway. Better to just let the Spirits remain spirits than to see them live on through their genocidal and hypocritical enemies.
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Re: Return of Fire & Blood
« Reply #54 on: 26 October 2023, 07:28:53 »
We're not going to see Blood Spirit Bloodnames in the other Clans. The Adders made a specific point to destroy their genetic repository and I highly doubt they kept anything from the Master Repository since they were Abjured (de facto Annihilated).

And personally, I wouldn't want to see it happen anyway. Better to just let the Spirits remain spirits than to see them live on through their genocidal and hypocritical enemies.
First, the Spirits were condemned to a Trial of Absorption. That the Star Adders decided to annihilate all living members and bury the Spirits secondary genetic repository beyond some thousands tons of rocks and sand does not change the edict of the Grand Council.
The Primary Repository was not reported as being destroyed.

Second, generally have not all Clans ever being genocidal and hypocritical?
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Re: Return of Fire & Blood
« Reply #55 on: 26 October 2023, 07:40:18 »
I'm for letting the Spirits stay dead; their candle burned hard and fast and went out quickly.  Let them rest in history.
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Re: Return of Fire & Blood
« Reply #56 on: 26 October 2023, 08:20:39 »
Where is that mentioned?

One of the Jihad books. Interstellar Players 2 or 3 I think. Mentions Green Ghosts with Blood Spirit insignia on it.

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Interstellar Expeditions: Interstellar Players 3 , p. 94
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Re: Return of Fire & Blood
« Reply #57 on: 26 October 2023, 08:22:19 »
First, the Spirits were condemned to a Trial of Absorption. That the Star Adders decided to annihilate all living members and bury the Spirits secondary genetic repository beyond some thousands tons of rocks and sand does not change the edict of the Grand Council.
The Primary Repository was not reported as being destroyed.

Second, generally have not all Clans ever being genocidal and hypocritical?

The Bloodnames and Genetics were absorbed by the Adders but I could see the remaining Homeworld Clans trialing for those heritages even if the Adders themselves don't desire to use them.
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Re: Return of Fire & Blood
« Reply #58 on: 26 October 2023, 10:25:14 »
The Bloodnames and Genetics were absorbed by the Adders but I could see the remaining Homeworld Clans trialing for those heritages even if the Adders themselves don't desire to use them.
This is quite possible.
However, I think the Star Adders do not want to have these bloodnames fight against them again. At least for some time   :wink:
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Re: Return of Fire & Blood
« Reply #59 on: 26 October 2023, 10:29:51 »
First, the Spirits were condemned to a Trial of Absorption.

Yes, I misspoke. Thank you for not wasting a moment to correct me.  :rolleyes:  And yet they were de facto-Annihilated, as WoR so kindly points out.

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The Primary Repository was not reported as being destroyed.

I never said it was. I said their repository.

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Second, generally have not all Clans ever being genocidal and hypocritical?

No.

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The Bloodnames and Genetics were absorbed by the Adders but I could see the remaining Homeworld Clans trialing for those heritages even if the Adders themselves don't desire to use them.

Personally, I don't see it; WoR Supplemental already showed Mandrill Bloodnames being used by the Adders, and I'd think that would've been the time for any such thing to have occurred. But you never know, I suppose.
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