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That Robotech Kickstarter and the cluster frack it was, made me limit what I ordered on the Clan Invasion Kickstarter.
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no, no it does not. the company is still being harrassed by people over it, with people trying to make all their more recent crowdsourcing projects (for actual RPG books and related merchandise that they actually can deliver fairly rapidly, and have) tank and generally be nasty trolls about it.
Palladium has been misleading people and abusing trust for DECADES at this point. The Robotech Kickstarter was just a crowing moment of failure in that regards. Multiple warnings were brought up about Palladium's past history but everyone wanted this to succeed so they ignored them. The result was one of the biggest kickstarter horror stories we've ever seen.

I'm glad that their recent Kickstarters seem to have turned that around, but you dont erase that level of failure with just a couple good results. They've got a long way to go before they earn back any trust, especially when the person who owns the company still has their fingers in everything. So I am not surprised people are still giving very big warnings about their past history here.

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Palladium has been misleading people and abusing trust for DECADES at this point. The Robotech Kickstarter was just a crowing moment of failure in that regards. Multiple warnings were brought up about Palladium's past history but everyone wanted this to succeed so they ignored them. The result was one of the biggest kickstarter horror stories we've ever seen.

I'm glad that their recent Kickstarters seem to have turned that around, but you dont erase that level of failure with just a couple good results. They've got a long way to go before they earn back any trust, especially when the person who owns the company still has their fingers in everything. So I am not surprised people are still giving very big warnings about their past history here.

I am shocked after the robotech epic failure the are even allowed to do another one.  Even more shocked people woult take the risk.

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Maybe we'll see some more news next Tuesday since the following was posted on the BattleTech (and Catalyst Game Labs) Facebook pages:

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Our first program will be available to watch next week on our YouTube channel, on February 13th! We hope to see you there! (Makeup not included!)

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Maybe we'll see some more news next Tuesday since the following was posted on the BattleTech (and Catalyst Game Labs) Facebook pages:


Will be nice to get some updates. Keep the fan base happy.
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Will be nice to get some updates. Keep the fan base happy.

Hahahaha thats funny.

Oh, your serious.

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I am shocked after the robotech epic failure the are even allowed to do another one.  Even more shocked people woult take the risk.
Same here.
Robotech was my first Kickstarter participation. Every single project I backed after that was sunshine and rainbows in comparison.
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no, no it does not. the company is still being harrassed by people over it, with people trying to make all their more recent crowdsourcing projects (for actual RPG books and related merchandise that they actually can deliver fairly rapidly, and have) tank and generally be nasty trolls about it.

trust is easy to lose and hard to gain.
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I'm glad that their recent Kickstarters seem to have turned that around, but you dont erase that level of failure with just a couple good results. They've got a long way to go before they earn back any trust, especially when the person who owns the company still has their fingers in everything. So I am not surprised people are still giving very big warnings about their past history here.

However, their recent Kickstarters haven't actually been by Palladium. They have been by PEG, for Savage Worlds ports of Rifts. And PEG is a company that is professionally run. Palladium has a lot of issues that mostly rest at the feet of one man. I think all of us unfortunate enough to have done the Robotech KS have enough trauma still...and CGL is *WAY* more professional a company.
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However, their recent Kickstarters haven't actually been by Palladium. They have been by PEG, for Savage Worlds ports of Rifts. And PEG is a company that is professionally run. Palladium has a lot of issues that mostly rest at the feet of one man. I think all of us unfortunate enough to have done the Robotech KS have enough trauma still...and CGL is *WAY* more professional a company.

actually they've done two for palladium, the Titan Robotics Sourcebook (in november 2022. funded in 5 hours, backerkit in Feburary 2023, finished shipping by august 2023), and the currently running a Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles and other Strangeness deluxe reprint KS. (started october 2023, funded within hours. pledge manager to launch soon)

however the company has a new co-owner, who also is the chief creative director now. he's the one runnign the KS's, and part of the reason the company is recovering.

Palladium has been misleading people and abusing trust for DECADES at this point. The Robotech Kickstarter was just a crowing moment of failure in that regards. Multiple warnings were brought up about Palladium's past history but everyone wanted this to succeed so they ignored them. The result was one of the biggest kickstarter horror stories we've ever seen.

I'm glad that their recent Kickstarters seem to have turned that around, but you dont erase that level of failure with just a couple good results. They've got a long way to go before they earn back any trust, especially when the person who owns the company still has their fingers in everything. So I am not surprised people are still giving very big warnings about their past history here.
i'm sorry, i don't care how upset a KS made you, it doesn't deserve death threats to company staff, 24/7 harassment online to the point a writer attempted suicide, and more than ten years of attempts to actively destroy the lives and livelihoods of the people involved with the company. the behavior of the trolls goes way past "very big warnings" and into deranged sociopathy. and most of them stepped over that line not long after the RTT thing ended.

and i've seen worse ones,. the KODT film kickstarter had the guy involved for making the film literally take the money and run, then run three other KS's through different names where he did the same thing (pencil dice for example). Ninja Division's multiple KS for super dungeon explore, starfinder, way of the fighter, and Rail Riders Infinite still remain unfulfilled to this day, nearly a decade after they were funded. (and indeed, much of the stuff people blame palladium for stemmed from ninja Division's involvement in the RTT project for the miniatures side)

by kickstarter standards the RTT kickstarter was fairly typical for the time it was done.. people invested in it, the company did its best to fulfill, but wasn't able to deliver on all of the stretch goals it promised. and unlike most it actually attempted to ensure that the backers got their money's worth in the end. its problem was the PB staff was out of its element and a bit over their heads, and it was substantially larger a KS than most for the time.

I am shocked after the robotech epic failure the are even allowed to do another one.  Even more shocked people woult take the risk.
they followed kickstarter guidelines for declaring a failed project, and did their "trade wave 2 value for existing product" exchange which by KS's terms of service, cleared out the existing KS. that some backers were idiots and refused to take the deal was on them. many of the deranged trolls claim to be people who refused the deal because they insisted on cash.. something that KS does not actually support that late in a project, and wouldn't have been feasible in any case.
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The Robotech/Palladium talk is veering towards Rule 7 territory so it might be better to drop it at this point
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I have tried looking for it- what update for the latest released fiction?  and I am kicking myself over buying the mercs double shrapnel.
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I have tried looking for it- what update for the latest released fiction?  and I am kicking myself over buying the mercs double shrapnel.
Update 50 was the last link to it.

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I thought there was new fiction from the KS?
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Most recent free Kickstarter fiction was Craig Reed's story Blood Rage
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I thought there was new fiction from the KS?
There has, it is all being uploaded to the same google drive folder and they haven't posted the link again since update 50.

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Newest addition is Shrapnel #15 (aka double sized mercenaries issue for $15 backers and up) posted to the folder January 3rd 2024.

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I hate to admit it, but I've barely glanced at the Emails from the kickstarter.
We're up to almost-what-upper 70s to 80?
I read the ones about verifying info and what I though was important,like #50
with the download info.
I have to give them credit.

They've definitely kept in contact with us and given more then proper updates.
I kind of wish I would have added on more stuff. 
( like the dropships and Universe book)

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Last update was #77 with the video of the Savannah Master Salvage Unboxing.

No word on shipping in that communication.  There was some speculations in the comments, but I don't think any of it was presented by anyone with any knowledge or authority on the actual situation.
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Is it bad that I haven't even really bothered to look at the PDF downloads for the kickstarter, like at all...?

(I was really, really in it just for the toys.)

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Is it bad that I haven't even really bothered to look at the PDF downloads for the kickstarter, like at all...?

(I was really, really in it just for the toys.)

The PDFs were always just extras anyway.
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My unsolicited thoughts on the schedules / lateness of crowdfunding projects: the schedules are estimates based on what the project folks thought they knew at that point, not sworn oaths. It's quite a bit like software development and work estimations there :tongue:
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Guess we're getting new fiction sooner rather than later - Jason Hansa was on Mercenary Star Podcast to talk about Fortunes of War #3 "A Skulk of Foxes" which involves the Screaming Eagles.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLRALvSzfUU

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If we bought Force Manual Davion in the kickstarter, do we get access to the PDF when it releases? It seems like it will be released before the kickstarter ships.

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There has, it is all being uploaded to the same google drive folder and they haven't posted the link again since update 50.

Was this for 'main kickstarter only'? I got in on the backerkit and haven't seen any emails/links about those.

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Was this for 'main kickstarter only'? I got in on the backerkit and haven't seen any emails/links about those.
Yes, thanks to how Kickstarter works late backers can't be given access to the updates there, it's up to Catalyst to setup someway of getting digital content to them.

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Yes, thanks to how Kickstarter works late backers can't be given access to the updates there, it's up to Catalyst to setup someway of getting digital content to them.

Catalyst said they were going to send the link out to late backers months ago, don't think they ever did.


Its a bummer they seem to have lost their optimism about fulfilling early.

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Yes, thanks to how Kickstarter works late backers can't be given access to the updates there, it's up to Catalyst to setup someway of getting digital content to them.
Catalyst said they were going to send the link out to late backers months ago, don't think they ever did.


Its a bummer they seem to have lost their optimism about fulfilling early.

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Unfortunate. Expected, but unfortunate all the same.