The Drone Carrier in TRO:3039 nerfed?

[Mostro Joe]

it can control 5. it can carry 6.

Absolutely not. In 3039 it is said the drone carrier can transport 5 drones only. 3 tracked, 2 hover. The Napfinds are now 2,5 tons each.

Anyway, the main problem is that tearing down the equipment of the drones do not permit them to have the AS recon ability and so they cannot act in SBF like they should, fluff wise.

[glitterboy2098]

Absolutely not. In 3039 it is said the drone carrier can transport 5 drones only. 3 tracked, 2 hover.

that's only 13 of the 15 tons of cargo space it has. so unless they also altered the cargo capacity (which they have not, i've checked) it should still be 6 drones.

Anyway, the main problem is that tearing down the equipment of the drones do not permit them to have the AS recon ability and so they cannot act in SBF like they should, fluff wise.

the equipment on the old write up didn't give them any special recon abilities that other vehicles didn't have. it was just meant to allow such small vehicles to carry full sized vehicle sensors.

[Mostro Joe]

the equipment on the old write up didn't give them any special recon abilities that other vehicles didn't have.

As I Say again, I'm talking about SBF here. The abilities are based on AS.

You keep talking about TW 

[Natasha Kerensky]

I don’t see the issue.  None of this affects charging attacks.  The Napfind, and to a lesser extent, the PathTrack and Hi-Scout remain great units for ramming an enemy mech’s legs.

[joke]

[dgorsman]

As I Say again, I'm talking about SBF here. The abilities are based on AS.

You keep talking about TW 

Then this should be in the Strategic Combat board (https://bg.battletech.com/forums/index.php?board=21.0) rather than here.

[RifleMech]

Interesting!  And very good timing, Since I just posted a new thread asking about Drone roles.

I've decided to use Herb's Nebula California rules allowing Drones to carry BA weapons and equip, the Improved Sensors, etc., should help with scouting.  Imagine a Drone using BA Stealth armor and equipment, Drop sensors on hardpoints, TAG, Laser Microphone ...

Lots of potential here.

I love that idea! And it would work for a lot of the older vehicles built with fractional accounting. 

[Lanceman]

As I Say again, I'm talking about SBF here. The abilities are based on AS.

You keep talking about TW 

And all AS abilities are derived from the equipment they have in Total Warfare. They would never have RCN in any form because their original TRO entry included something wasn't a valid piece of game equipment.

[Mostro Joe]

And all AS abilities are derived from the equipment they have in Total Warfare.

I know that. For the fourth or fifth time, the problem is that!

The Drone Carrier has been nerfed in TRO 3039. While on a TW scale that is not such a problem, it anyway gives not the access to the recon ability in AS (ability that it should have, based on older TROs data and based on fluff anche background information) and so its use on SBF is NOT like it should be!

I think what I mean is clear. And I think you all are trolling me just for the sake of arguing.

[worktroll]

No. We're not trolling you. We're attempting to engage with you.

... gives not the access to the recon ability in AS (ability that it should have, based on older TROs data and based on fluff anche background information) and so its use on SBF is NOT like it should be!

Consider your statement.

Now remember:

1) New rules and new printing supercedes old rules and old printing
2) Fluff is never rules.

The 'recon equipment' in TRO 3026 was purely fluff. There were no rules for it in that period of the game. There is no background information suggesting that the 'recon equipment' referred to ever had any rules.

In addition, text and stats in TRO 3026 are superceded by TRO 3039. This puts your claims on the same basis that fractional accounting should still be legal under TW play, and roll up into SBF, because it was legal in TRO 3026. Which it clearly isn't.

You appear to be making your appeals based on your perception that the purely fluff description of recon equipment in TRO 3026 should be applicable under Total Warfare rules, and therefore carry up into SPF. You're drawing a spurious connection between the words 'recon equipment' in an obsoleted TRO, with new equipment with rules defined in later works.

[Red Pins]

I love that idea! And it would work for a lot of the older vehicles built with fractional accounting. 

Ah..  I've decided to stick to designing strictly legal designs, so I'll be sticking to that as much as possible.  The idea was to provide players with legal options, after all.

However, as part of my AU, I tend to embrace homebrew tech.  So, YMMV.  Still, whether a Piranha sub-Cap is launched from a standard launcher, a single-shot Missile Tube, a twin-engine FighterShip, a Moray-class stationary Missile launcher from under the surface of the ocean - the missile is canon.   

[CarcosanDawn]

In Alpha Strike, you can put the 5 drones (6?) in a Recon Lance (all sz 1 with scout role) to give them "RCN" anyways, not sure about SBF.

Designing them is fun.

[General308]

I know that. For the fourth or fifth time, the problem is that!

The Drone Carrier has been nerfed in TRO 3039. While on a TW scale that is not such a problem, it anyway gives not the access to the recon ability in AS (ability that it should have, based on older TROs data and based on fluff anche background information) and so its use on SBF is NOT like it should be!

I think what I mean is clear. And I think you all are trolling me just for the sake of arguing.

I think you are not understanding that the fluff especially back in the 3026 TRO but really in a lot of the TRO's claim a mech can do XYZ when rules to do XYZ do not exist.  Sometimes rules get made up later on for XYZ sometimes they don't.  Sometimes with the rule for XYZ get made up they don't work with the things that the ideal came from.    So you can't really nerf something that didn't have the rules for something in the first place.  Though often these type things were put in for RPG players.  But seems people forget that the RPG exist if they don't play it. 

Here is a funny fact about the fractional accounting.  When those early TRO's came out with fractional accounting.  Fractional accounting wasn't even legal.   They made it optional and legal and back and forth more than once after the fact.  Just the way things go sometimes

[RifleMech]

Ah..  I've decided to stick to designing strictly legal designs, so I'll be sticking to that as much as possible.  The idea was to provide players with legal options, after all.

However, as part of my AU, I tend to embrace homebrew tech.  So, YMMV.  Still, whether a Piranha sub-Cap is launched from a standard launcher, a single-shot Missile Tube, a twin-engine FighterShip, a Moray-class stationary Missile launcher from under the surface of the ocean - the missile is canon.   

It does work. :)

That's true. :)