Clan Prototype ER Medium/Small Laser

[pat_hdx]

Hello All. Pardon me if I missed this, but I can't seem to find it on the board despite a keyword search.

Are Clan Prototype ER Medium/Small Lasers enabled? If no, will they be?

In my Copy of Interstellar Operations ("IO", 2016, yes I'm sure they are a bit out of date) Clan Prototype ER Medium Laser are available as of 2819.

I'm trying to build an early Imperio del Escorpion themed unit, but I can't seem to get them to come up as an option.

In MekLab I have:

>Tech base: Mixed Inner sphere
>Tech Level Experimental
>Year 3085

So I reckon they should appear. I see a lot of the other Early Clan tech.

The rules as written in my copy of IO don't look right, I reckon they ought to have the stats of Clan ER Medium Lasers, but be .5 ton heavier, however in my copy of IO they seem to be Starleague stats but heavier, which makes no sense.  I can't find in the rules board an Errata section for IO 2016. I suspect that it's not supported anymore b/c the book seems to have been split.

All the other Early Clan Weapons seem to be enabled (Improved Large Laser, Enhanced PPC, Improved SRMs/LRMs, etc. ) but not the prototype ER lasers.

I wonder if the wonky rules are the reason they were never enabled?

Thanks!

[Hammer]

They are in the game. But are extinct at that point in time. To enable them.

Set the tech level to Unofficial.

Then in Options-Configuration-Tech Progression select Show extinct equipment.

[pat_hdx]

Got it. Thanks!

[Iceweb]

I was wondering about that for when I build my Centurion Weapon System ATB unit again.  Unfortunately I'm pretty sure the weapon (and most shut down weapons) are still bugged. 
Waiting for those fixes. 
Pretty sure I do have a ticket in for that, yes.

[Lanceman]

I was wondering about that for when I build my Centurion Weapon System ATB unit again.  Unfortunately I'm pretty sure the weapon (and most shut down weapons) are still bugged. 
Waiting for those fixes. 
Pretty sure I do have a ticket in for that, yes.

TSEMPs and Tasers work correctly, but yes Centurion affected units do seem to still start up at the end of the turn if you actually manage to shut something down with one.

Looking at the code, it's because it really is just doing a heat scale check. Probably needs a full re-write to be like the other shutdown weapons.

[Hammer]

Centurion was an epic hack done years ago, and really doesn't align with the rules.

[Iceweb]

I remember when I made the unit I had all sorts of issues with the shut down weapons. 
I know that I put in a ticket that the repeating TSEMP wasn't working, but that seems to have been fixed. 

I think all it is now is the Centurion weapons system being the issue. 
I know its a hack, but all it really needs is a flag on the mech that if it hits and shuts down a mech don't restart it that round.  Given the description of the weapon and if it hits a shut down mech it keeps it shut down without a heat roll, its unclear on how many rounds you can keep a mech shut down based on multiple CWS strikes.  If it only can be one round down a bool would do it, otherwise an int would be called for and simply if the counter is greater than zero subtract one after the heat checks have been done in the end phase. 

Given the popularity of the CWS I can imagine how low a priority such a fix would be. 

Still nothing is funnier than getting the CWS to actually work on an enemy mech.   

[harrystyles]

Centurion weapons system is surely the issue.