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Re: “Save” the Jags
« Reply #810 on: 23 February 2023, 19:12:22 »

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Re: “Save” the Jags
« Reply #811 on: 23 February 2023, 19:35:07 »
Unless something has changed, that listing has been around for a little while. It's, on the whole, a delightful mix of old standbys, Dark Age staples, and some decidedly top-end Republic equipment that I'm guessing are from the Fidelis days. Though, NK is right about the Warhawk. The NuJags just need some time to step out to the Scorpion Empire and reclaim the pride of Clan Smoke Jaguar.

Now we just need some paint schemes for all these toys.
« Last Edit: 23 February 2023, 20:09:29 by Crimson Dynamo »
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Re: “Save” the Jags
« Reply #812 on: 23 February 2023, 20:12:23 »
I figured that would be the case. From what's up there right now I like the sprinkling of former Republic 'Mechs in there.

This may be a weird request, but is there any way to add a feature to remove the Clan General/IS General units from the faction lists? Some times I'm looking to see what units are limited or unique to a faction

search via the Units tab http://masterunitlist.info/Unit/Filter

going through Factions will always attach the associated general list

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Re: “Save” the Jags
« Reply #813 on: 24 February 2023, 08:36:26 »
If you use the search feature it will do that.

Ie search for nuJags it will only return nuJag listings rather than nuJag and clan General. Use the faction filters
search via the Units tab http://masterunitlist.info/Unit/Filter

going through Factions will always attach the associated general list

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Thank you very much to you both, I didn't realize that was the way to do that.
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Re: “Save” the Jags
« Reply #814 on: 23 March 2023, 13:01:18 »
So I just discovered the Iron Cheetah “ ultimate “ assault Mech the jags created very shortly before their first death. It’s noted as being very rare so in the battle for huntress would that have been restricted to the ilkhan bodyguard and brandon Howell’s keshik?

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Re: “Save” the Jags
« Reply #815 on: 23 March 2023, 20:45:25 »
Maybe a couple in those units. The MUL lists the Combine as the only user until the Republic-era when the Sharks starting making them again, and IIRC supplied them exclusively to the RotS. So, the majority of the design was in the OZ with the Touman and fell there, to be salvaged by the DCMS with apparently few to none in the Homeworlds for the other Clans to claim.
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Re: “Save” the Jags
« Reply #816 on: 23 March 2023, 21:23:46 »
Yeah, Huntress was getting the dregs of the Jaguars' resources, it's vanishingly unlikely that anyone would have had an Iron Cheetah there.
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Re: “Save” the Jags
« Reply #817 on: 25 March 2023, 21:56:21 »
Yeah, Huntress was getting the dregs of the Jaguars' resources, it's vanishingly unlikely that anyone would have had an Iron Cheetah there.

Right I assume the garrison forces which were noted as using 2nd or 3rd line tech I know would not but for example the shroud keshik of brandon Howell prob would?

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Re: “Save” the Jags
« Reply #818 on: 25 March 2023, 22:26:10 »
Personally, I can't imagine the Jaguars' capital world wouldn't have had at least some Iron Cheetahs on hand.
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Re: “Save” the Jags
« Reply #819 on: 26 March 2023, 00:57:32 »
Did you read the Twilight of the Clans novels?  The galaxy that was stationed on Huntress was forced to use rusty relics of the Succession Wars that had been salvaged during the Invasion because everything else had been stripped from them for use by forces in the Invasion Corridor.
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Re: “Save” the Jags
« Reply #820 on: 26 March 2023, 01:28:04 »
Well, that's pretty lame if you ask me. I get it, but it's lame nonetheless. Imagine Lootera being properly defended by Iron Cheetahs, Warhawks (from the on-world factories) and Ebon Jaguars.
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Re: “Save” the Jags
« Reply #821 on: 26 March 2023, 01:56:33 »
Yeah, well, it's what you after 300 years of an economy that was run by muscleheads who thought that supply shortages could always be solved by beating up someone else and taking their stuff and didn't understand the importance of building your own gear.
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Re: “Save” the Jags
« Reply #822 on: 26 March 2023, 06:38:30 »
Which thankfully isn't exactly borne out by some of the other sources out there that deal with Jaguars, including the very existence of the high-end Iron Cheetah that prompted this line of discussion. The basic scenario of post-Tukayyid CSJ is one that required some substantial industrial power to maintain the tempo of rebuilding. The two Huntress Galaxies were supplementing their ranks with 3050+ IS designs per the TotC scenario pack and 3055U, as the dregs of the entire Touman and a posting of shame, but even they had access to Clan BattleMechs like the Stone Rhino and some OmniMechs. And yes, TK, I too assume the output from those factories got redirected once SERPENT appeared.
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Re: “Save” the Jags
« Reply #823 on: 26 March 2023, 15:51:32 »
It’s a brave, new world when Warhawk omnimechs don’t appear on a Jag MUL but Simian battle armor does...

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Re: “Save” the Jags
« Reply #824 on: 03 April 2023, 15:42:15 »
Well, that's pretty lame if you ask me. I get it, but it's lame nonetheless. Imagine Lootera being properly defended by Iron Cheetahs, Warhawks (from the on-world factories) and Ebon Jaguars.

Was the iron cheetah factory destroyed by serpent or accidentally during the WOR?

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Re: “Save” the Jags
« Reply #825 on: 03 April 2023, 15:50:02 »
According to the write up in Recognition Guide 19, the factory on Huntress was destroyed by Task Force Serpent.
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Re: “Save” the Jags
« Reply #826 on: 03 April 2023, 15:54:10 »
According to the write up in Recognition Guide 19, the factory on Huntress was destroyed by Task Force Serpent.

Thanks! Hmmm… storyline wise how did the sharks get the specs to build it then? Did they “ acquire”
Few battered hulks from huntress?

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Re: “Save” the Jags
« Reply #827 on: 03 April 2023, 16:16:47 »
Thanks! Hmmm… storyline wise how did the sharks get the specs to build it then? Did they “ acquire”
Few battered hulks from huntress?
Close, some Jaguar technicians used the design specs to barter and the specs made their way to a Shark merchant. It doesn't say if the techs directly bartered with the Shark merchant or if the specs passed through other hands first
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Re: “Save” the Jags
« Reply #828 on: 03 April 2023, 16:20:53 »
Close, some Jaguar technicians used the design specs to barter and the specs made their way to a Shark merchant. It doesn't say if the techs directly bartered with the Shark merchant or if the specs passed through other hands first

Wantec you again come through with great info. Thank you sir. Something I have been fascinated by is the notion that the sharks did try to assemble a force to save the jags and if they had succeeded there was some great tech and salvage on huntress. How they would have held it TBD but I enjoy the thought experiment

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« Reply #829 on: 26 May 2023, 18:41:16 »
Wantec you again come through with great info. Thank you sir. Something I have been fascinated by is the notion that the sharks did try to assemble a force to save the jags and if they had succeeded there was some great tech and salvage on huntress. How they would have held it TBD but I enjoy the thought experiment

Story line wise how did they square the sharks voting against helping the jags in the grand council but then trying to send a relief force later?

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« Reply #830 on: 27 May 2023, 15:15:33 »
Story line wise how did they square the sharks voting against helping the jags in the grand council but then trying to send a relief force later?
Unlike the Wolverines, the Jaguar "annihilation" was more of an annihilation of the touman. Plenty of Jaguar lower castes, enclaves, and other resources made it into the hands of the other clans. In this case I don't think it was a relief force, but more a case of the Jag technicians made their way through clan space and in their travels had to trade the specs for further passage/supplies/etc.
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Re: Save the Jags
« Reply #831 on: 19 July 2023, 14:25:52 »
Each Kindraa goes their own way afaik, so only way the Khans would know was if one was a Mick-Kreese or part of another Kindraa which found out.  Such things have come back to bite the Mandrills in the arse, such as when one Kindraa pissed off the Coyotes and Horses enough for them to wage a campaign to wipe them out.

If the mandrills in the mentioned scenario seized and attempted to hold say a factory on huntress from the SLDF but did not venture beyond that is still a no no?

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Re: “Save” the Jags
« Reply #832 on: 20 July 2023, 15:06:58 »
Did you read the Twilight of the Clans novels?  The galaxy that was stationed on Huntress was forced to use rusty relics of the Succession Wars that had been salvaged during the Invasion because everything else had been stripped from them for use by forces in the Invasion Corridor.

I guess the one counter to that would have been if a few Iron Cheetahs made if back from the OZ with the reinforcements that Hang Mehta and Paul Moon landed with. I'm hoping we see a few new Iron Cheetah configs moving forward. The one new configuration in the Rec Guide was not exactly what I was hoping for....so expensive.

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Re: “Save” the Jags
« Reply #833 on: 20 July 2023, 16:31:40 »
I'm sure we'll get further Iron Cheetah variants moving forward- TPTB love introducing new omni configs, after all.  There was probably a limit on how many could be in the Rec Guide- there were six variants in there already.
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Re: “Save” the Jags
« Reply #834 on: 21 July 2023, 06:43:50 »
For the Rec Guides there was a limit on configs, but it was a case of making it fit on the page(s) not a strict limit of 3, 4, etc. configs.
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Re: “Save” the Jags
« Reply #835 on: 21 August 2023, 08:29:01 »
Story line wise how did they square the sharks voting against helping the jags in the grand council but then trying to send a relief force later?

Following up on this. Was hawker bullied into voting no by his blood named leaders but than had a change of heart?

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« Reply #836 on: 08 January 2024, 16:42:13 »
I'm sure we'll get further Iron Cheetah variants moving forward- TPTB love introducing new omni configs, after all.  There was probably a limit on how many could be in the Rec Guide- there were six variants in there already.

I don’t have my novel handy but I believe the text explicitly states that the ultra elite jag relief force which Osis brought in included “fresh off the assembly line” units so one could retcon some of dire wolfs as iron cheetahs? Taking that a bit further I imagine with that pace of battle it might have been tough to tell the difference…

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« Reply #837 on: 08 January 2024, 19:46:44 »
I don’t have my novel handy but I believe the text explicitly states that the ultra elite jag relief force which Osis brought in included “fresh off the assembly line” units so one could retcon some of dire wolfs as iron cheetahs? Taking that a bit further I imagine with that pace of battle it might have been tough to tell the difference…

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« Reply #838 on: 11 January 2024, 03:35:06 »
For the Rec Guides there was a limit on configs, but it was a case of making it fit on the page(s) not a strict limit of 3, 4, etc. configs.

yeah so far all the varients seem mostly brawleresque, would be nice to see a varient designed for long range work,
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« Reply #839 on: 20 February 2024, 19:56:20 »
“The damn war book is having an episode.”
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“Timber wolf, dire wolf, Timber wolf, dire wolf. It gave up and said “Madishi”

Who got the bulk of the jag salvage after huntress?