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BattleTech Game Systems => General BattleTech Discussion => Topic started by: Cubby on 28 February 2024, 15:23:15
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If I remember by by-laws correctly. Aaron is now required to squeeze new fiction information out of John to consecrate the new thread.
Shrapnel 16 should be out in about two weeks, as scheduled.
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29th page on the 29th of Feb. NICE!!!!!
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29th page on the 29th of Feb. NICE!!!!!
Good timing! (from your time zone)
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Huh, a zero announcement new thread.
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Huh, a zero announcement new thread.
New product announcements came yesterday so it would be a little weird for more today. Randall did announce there will be a new "salvage pack" available at Adepticon (and on the way to retailers at the same time) yesterday but we don't know what it will be.
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Nifty, Look forwards to more swag announcements!
by the way, there it's still 28th for US. :cheesy:
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Shrapnel 16 should be out in about two weeks, as scheduled.
ooh, nice!
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Is Shadow of the Dragon still on track for March?
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Shrapnel 16 should be out in about two weeks, as scheduled.
Will it compete for Don Quixote in size this time? =)
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Q4 is the Rival-Classic-Lit-sized volume. a holiday treat.
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New product announcements came yesterday so it would be a little weird for more today. Randall did announce there will be a new "salvage pack" available at Adepticon (and on the way to retailers at the same time) yesterday but we don't know what it will be.
I mean the thread itself got no announcement. The last thread was just locked and this thread started without any statement about "here's the new thread." Looked like the last thread was just locked by site admins/mods and the last three posts from it were split off into a new thread.
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New product announcements came yesterday so it would be a little weird for more today. Randall did announce there will be a new "salvage pack" available at Adepticon (and on the way to retailers at the same time) yesterday but we don't know what it will be.
What new product announcement?
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There is that Succession Era game coming out. But I think that has been announced.
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Is Shadow of the Dragon still on track for March?
It should be -- Phil is through about 75% of editing it, but between editing Shrapnel, being John's chief Minon, and his own WoR novel. he's stretched thin ATM.
As soon as it gets back to me, I'll be all over it.....
Craig
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Will we get the KS delivery before this thread ends?
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At the velocity of the last thread that would put us in late September so I hope so
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What new product announcement?
The mystery salvage box mentioned in that very quote. Was announced during the tuesday news livestream on youtube.
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For the mystery salvage box, I'm hoping Galahad.
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I certainly wouldn't turn down a Galahad, but it feels like an odd choice for a special Salvage Box.
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C’mon Rattler!
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I certainly wouldn't turn down a Galahad, but it feels like an odd choice for a special Salvage Box.
It definitely would be an odd choice but we know they have the Galahad sculpted as we saw the prototype in some of the Early merc KS photos and then it was never announced as part of it, so it will presumably be coming eventually, maybe they just couldn't find another four mechs to match it with in a star and are releasing it as a salvage box?
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I certainly wouldn't turn down a Galahad, but it feels like an odd choice for a special Salvage Box.
When Randall said it's something we've never seen before I feel that could preclude the Galahad / Glass Spider as we've seen the concept sketch and 3D renders on Anthony's Patreon.
Personally I have my money on the Triskelion... :smilie_happy_thumbup:
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C’mon Rattler!
I see people make Rattler and Im like I really want one.
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Happy Feb 29!
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I see people make Rattler and Im like I really want one.
I used one of these to make mine. (Wheeled Warriors Battle Base) About the right scale for MWDA figs - way too huge for mapscale, though. You can often find incomplete ones cheap on eBay. I painted mine white and slapped a TerraSec logo on the side.
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For the mystery salvage box, I'm hoping Galahad.
Pulverizer: Clan Wolverine makes a comeback in style!
Humor aside: is there a synopsis of what is covered in the Tuesday Media thing each week? I sometimes don’t have the attention span to watch/listen and have it going on in the background as ‘noise’ so that might help me find things I missed (like another salvage box)
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For the mystery salvage box, I'm hoping Galahad.
Same here. I was really disappointed it wasn’t included in the Kickstarter.
Heist08
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When Randall said it's something we've never seen before I feel that could preclude the Galahad / Glass Spider as we've seen the concept sketch and 3D renders on Anthony's Patreon.
Personally I have my money on the Triskelion... :smilie_happy_thumbup:
There's a bet going in my group that it's going to be a painted mech
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Pulverizer: Clan Wolverine makes a comeback in style!
Humor aside: is there a synopsis of what is covered in the Tuesday Media thing each week? I sometimes don’t have the attention span to watch/listen and have it going on in the background as ‘noise’ so that might help me find things I missed (like another salvage box)
The Tuesday streams cover everything Catalyst is working on so there isn't a full summary but here is the BattleTech news from them:
Week 1:
- 40th Anniversary Mug is coming
- Force Manual Davion comes out in March
- Cookbook has been named "The Art of Food"
- Most of the Kickstarter releases at retail by August
- Barring a shipping problem Kickstarter fulfillment will be in June.
- Quarter Master Logistics will be handling US Fulfillment
Week 2:
- Absolutely nothing, this episode was pretty much just talking about Leviathans.
Week 3:
- Mystery Salvage Box
- SLDF Command Lance is on the boat and should make a late March release as scheduled (barring issues at port)
Most of this weeks episode was about the Runefire announcement, plus a good chunk was Randall going on about BattleTech Universe again.
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Weekly updates are great, but sometimes there is nothing to really talk about.
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C’mon Rattler!
They should make one that doubles as a dice rolling box/tray. :wink:
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The Tuesday streams cover everything Catalyst is working on so there isn't a full summary but here is the BattleTech news from them:
Week 1:
- 40th Anniversary Mug is coming
- Force Manual Davion comes out in March
- Cookbook has been named "The Art of Food"
- Most of the Kickstarter releases at retail by August
- Barring a shipping problem Kickstarter fulfillment will be in June.
- Quarter Master Logistics will be handling US Fulfillment
Week 2:
- Absolutely nothing, this episode was pretty much just talking about Leviathans.
Week 3:
- Mystery Salvage Box
- SLDF Command Lance is on the boat and should make a late March release as scheduled (barring issues at port)
Most of this weeks episode was about the Runefire announcement, plus a good chunk was Randall going on about BattleTech Universe again.
There is a Battletech card game coming out. It uses the same system as Bravest Warrior and Shadowrun Encounters.
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There is a Battletech card game coming out. It uses the same system as Bravest Warrior and Shadowrun Encounters.
That was announced as part of the Kickstarter, it was even included in the Regiment pledge
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That was announced as part of the Kickstarter, it was even included in the Regiment pledge
Oh, is this the Battletech Encounters game?
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Yeah, that's the one. There's a play-through of a prototype copy on the Adepticon streams
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hold yer yappin' varmits ... What mystery salvage box? I have picked up that it was mentioned in the Tuesday Update and that it would not be part of the KS.
Nevermind, the more I think about it the more "Mystery Salvage Box" says it all. How about when?
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Yeah, that's the one. There's a play-through of a prototype copy on the Adepticon streams
I thought that was a press your luck dice game......
Craig
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Isn't the mystery salvage box the Savannah Master?
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Isn't the mystery salvage box the Savannah Master?
No, as we've already seen them.
hold yer yappin' varmits ... What mystery salvage box? I have picked up that it was mentioned in the Tuesday Update and that it would not be part of the KS.
Nevermind, the more I think about it the more "Mystery Salvage Box" says it all. How about when?
https://youtu.be/2tk4kbknOo0?si=NZvuFpeQD4kO2Swv&t=2010 (should be keyed to the 33:30 mark).
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https://youtu.be/2tk4kbknOo0?si=NZvuFpeQD4kO2Swv&t=2010 (should be keyed to the 33:30 mark).
Thank you much, kind sir. I skipped a beat when I heard "at Adepticon" but then picked up that next bit of it going out to stores too.
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I wonder what it will be, this mystery mystery box of goodies.
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I thought that was a press your luck dice game......
Craig
It is.
There are cards, but press your luck dice are the core mechanic.
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I’m looking forward to Encounters. Sounds like an easy game I can play with the kids with minimal setup.
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I've got the Shadowrun one, it's a fun little game, very good when you've got a half hour to spare.
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For the mystery salvage box, I'm hoping Galahad.
Spad! Issedone! Umbra! Spad! Issedone! Umbra! Spad! Issedone! Umbra!
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I've got the Shadowrun one, it's a fun little game, very good when you've got a half hour to spare.
Is there much reading involved?
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Is there much reading involved?
There’s a little bit of rules text on the cards. (And obviously the game has printed rules) what do you consider too much?
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There’s a little bit of rules text on the cards. (And obviously the game has printed rules) what do you consider too much?
I have a 5 year old who dislikes reading. 😆
As long as the game does not require him to read, he’ll enjoy it. He loves games like Settlers of Catan, Ticket to Ride, etc. Things like Exploding Kittens, TCGs, etc would be too much for him since they require reading.
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There's a bit of reading in the Shadowrun one, generally you'll have a megacorp card for each player with a special ability, a scene card with an ability, and one or more runner cards that you can use which also have abilities. The actual gameplay is that you'll have a challenge card in front of you with a target number, you roll a bunch of D6s (default is 6 at the start of your turn) and need to assign dice to the challenge who's total exactly matches the target number. You can then choose to score the card or flip over another one, rolling only the dice you didn't assign to the prior card. If you can't match a target the next player can choose to roll the remaining dice and pick up the points or start from scratch. If you match a target with all your dice you replenish your dice pool and start a second row of scoring cards that are 2 points each, and then 3 points if you do it again.
The corp and runner cards generally let you roll additional dice and/or pick a specific dice result to be wild. You spend points to buy runners and they're generally one-shot.
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Oh, that sounds neat. I'll have to give it a look when the BT version comes out.
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Very cool. Sounds like enough reading that it might be a motivator for him but not enough to impede gameplay. Looking forward to it.
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Here's the VOD of the Encounters playthrough at Adepticon last year. You can see some of the ways they've changed the rules - victory points are separate from the currency used to buy powerups, where they were the same in Shadowrun and there are different types of upgrade dice.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GVKC6EBRPjI&list=PLG2SFNI_Kl348elTwl_sIk8RgEgFC9nFt&index=16&pp=gAQBiAQB
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That looks really fun, actually.
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When Randall said it's something we've never seen before I feel that could preclude the Galahad / Glass Spider as we've seen the concept sketch and 3D renders on Anthony's Patreon.
Personally I have my money on the Triskelion... :smilie_happy_thumbup:
My 5 C-Bills are on another tripod Mech, the Ares..
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My 5 C-Bills are on another tripod Mech, the Ares..
I thought about the Ares but I felt it was too big to be considered a Salvage Box.
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It’ll be ProtoMechs. :evil:
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It's the Grant Titan.
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I thought about the Ares but I felt it was too big to be considered a Salvage Box.
Randall did can the mystery release a "Salvage Pack" instead of a "Salvage Box", that could be him mixing up the name of the type of release while tired from moving or it could be an indication that this is something new. A single packed Ares would be between the size of a Salvage Box and a Force Pack.
Its probably not an Ares, but not impossible.
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Orca! ORCA! OOOOOORCA!
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Randall did can the mystery release a "Salvage Pack" instead of a "Salvage Box", that could be him mixing up the name of the type of release while tired from moving or it could be an indication that this is something new. A single packed Ares would be between the size of a Salvage Box and a Force Pack.
Its probably not an Ares, but not impossible.
Considering there's a video when they were talking about the Target Essentials box and kept mentioning Yen-Lo-Wong I don't see that as meaningful as he initially said Force Pack and changed it to Salvage Pack.
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When Randall said it's something we've never seen before I feel that could preclude the Galahad / Glass Spider as we've seen the concept sketch and 3D renders on Anthony's Patreon.
Personally I have my money on the Triskelion... :smilie_happy_thumbup:
While it be cool to have that one. I'm not sure what odds are for that. It never appeared in combat during ilClan fighting at all (not in RAT or anything.) Essentially handbuilt, I think it's not going be the one. I'd like it to be. Essentially it's likely extinct unless Clan Wolf decided to add it.
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Orca! ORCA! OOOOOORCA!
I'd like some protomechs, but I now say ORCA!!
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Personally I have my money on the Triskelion... :smilie_happy_thumbup:
I'd buy so many boxes if it was this.
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I'm going to bet Doom Courser.
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I'm going to bet Doom Courser.
That’s a good guess. We’ve seen the prototype print so it makes sense.
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Im holding out for Celestials.
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I feel that something from the Clan Invasion, Civil War, or Star League eras would be more likely.
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I feel that something from the Clan Invasion, Civil War, or Star League eras would be more likely.
So...an Omega/Matar?
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I would laugh really hard if it was protos
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WiGE
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Im holding out for Celestials.
I'd be shocked if they did Celestials as Salvage boxes instead of as a pack. While not everyone wants them so they ae harder to sprinkel thoughout a KS release, you could get all of them in one of the larger Force packs and it would sell decently among those of us who want them.
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While I'd love to see Celestials, I agree, not likely outside a dedicated force pack.
Now a Legacy ... we know Shimmering Sword wants to re-do it ...
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Dolorie. Please?
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Its the Quasit.
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Fireball XF. You won't even see it coming.
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Its the Quasit.
too mainstream uni artillerymech
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Fireball XF. You won't even see it coming.
Or going for that matter.
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VP-1 Viper, and I need a full company of 'em for the glory of House Marik.
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Its the Quasit.
OstBosch. Got to admit, nobody would expect it, and it's something we've literally never seen.
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I would laugh really hard if it was protos
I would buy it.
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VP-1 Viper, and I need a full company of 'em for the glory of House Marik.
I'd like to put in a vote for the Viper. Even though there's not really a vote and they've probably already made the decision anyway.
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I would buy it.
So would I. But first I'd laugh really hard that we got plastic protos before vehicles.
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Huh, a zero announcement new thread.
I don't directly handle announcements anymore, that's Rem's department. The big Coming Releases page update a few weeks ago would have been the time to end the old thread and start a new one with that leading off, but I felt we were still too many pages short of the usual 50. (Shrug)
None of the guesses about the surprise (sigh) Salvage Box are correct yet.
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The mystery salvage box mentioned in that very quote. Was announced during the tuesday news livestream on youtube.
It will be an IMP! Do you know how I know? Because I got 4 3d printed ones and in the process of getting them ready for the table! :cheesy: :grin:
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None of the guesses about the surprise (sigh) Salvage Box are correct yet.
Well, since the Viper was guessed I'm upset now.
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None of the guesses about the surprise (sigh) Salvage Box are correct yet.
And here I gave myself a 0.0000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000001% chance of being right. :D
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None of the guesses about the surprise (sigh) Salvage Box are correct yet.
Champion?
Homeworlds Mechs? Stooping Hawk, Crimson Langur, Savage Coyote…!
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Money's on the Hellhound II/Hellcat, since it's been on the cover of a RG, is available to all factions in ilClan, is highly anticipated based on the number of 3D printed versions running around, and it's tightly associated with Mercenaries as a whole due to its design originating in MW4:Mercs.
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I want to guess the scorpion tank. Just because I want there to be a way to buy lots of scorpion tanks.
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I'm just happy to get another secret salvage box after the Savannah Master was accidentally spoiled. More minis is good minis!
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None of the guesses about the surprise (sigh) Salvage Box are correct yet.
I'd still want a VP-1 Viper. And an Orca ...
But my new wild arse guess -- A Leviathan III warship!
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But my new wild arse guess -- A Leviathan III warship!
Only as an inflatable balloon. :wink:
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I think it might be the Blood Reaper. Why else would it be in Rec Guide 33?
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I'm closer to Cubby on that (secret bad, let me plan hour to spend my money please) but I do still want whatever this thing is. I think I'd be most disappointed by LAMs, which in my ideal future would finally die the quiet death they've been putting of for 30 years.
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Different yokes for different folks. Some people DO like LAMs and some people don't.
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Please don't tease me for Warships.
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None of the guesses about the surprise (sigh) Salvage Box are correct yet.
No surprise that my guess was wrong. That's just par for the course for me... :tongue:
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I think it might be the Blood Reaper. Why else would it be in Rec Guide 33?
Seems like a reasonable guess.
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Please don't tease me for Warships.
I was considering it, but since you asked nicely I will place my $0.00 bet on fancied up infantry tokens.
We haven't seen it, and I don't think it's been guessed.
A second guess might be fancy terrain, like a plastic building 1-3 levels high and 1-2 (map sized) hexes wide.
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My guess is Sloth suits.
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While we're going with wild guesses, why don't we just...
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A SecurityMech with two Fluid Guns, make it happen someone.
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While we're going with wild guesses, why don't we just...
(https://preview.redd.it/qpq354tocnk51.jpg?width=787&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=ffaef6c8a55c0a2cfe25af91d5dc16db2da71e7f)
Crabby Gatty is far superior, clearly that's what it will be
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I'm convinced
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While we're going with wild guesses, why don't we just...
(https://preview.redd.it/qpq354tocnk51.jpg?width=787&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=ffaef6c8a55c0a2cfe25af91d5dc16db2da71e7f)
Condiment King?
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While we're going with wild guesses, why don't we just...
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Oscar Meyer Weinermobile of the 32nd century?
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I think it might be the Blood Reaper. Why else would it be in Rec Guide 33?
I would assume the Blood Reaper got updated looks and stats because Star Colonel Othar pilots one, and is probably a featured pilot in BattleTech Legends II.
Same with the Gyrfalcon and Khan Jiyi Chistu.
Given how faction specific mechs these are, they feel unlikely as salvage box material. Though i grant the Blood Asp is also rather limited and it got a salvage box.
Also inclined to think the Blood Reaper will more likely be featured in a Wolf faction force pack, should we get such.
EDIT Personally hope for the Hellcat (Hellhound II), since the Viper got ruled out (was my first hope).
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I would assume the Blood Reaper got updated looks and stats because Star Colonel Othar pilots one, and is probably a featured pilot in BattleTech Legends II.
Same with the Gyrfalcon and Khan Jiyi Chistu.
Jiyi I could maybe see a case for (though I'd rather see Noritomo Helmer for the Gyrfalcon), but are we really scraping the bottom of the barrel of notable MechWarriors that we'd have to trot out Othar for Legends II? Also, I don't think he even pilots that Blood Reaper anymore; he lost it in Redemption Rites.
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I'd take some Gyrfalcons ...
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Jiyi I could maybe see a case for (though I'd rather see Noritomo Helmer for the Gyrfalcon), but are we really scraping the bottom of the barrel of notable MechWarriors that we'd have to trot out Othar for Legends II? Also, I don't think he even pilots that Blood Reaper anymore; he lost it in Redemption Rites.
Why would Othar be the bottom of the barrel? He is ruling the Wolf Empire, making him an important figure in the IlClan era.
Not saying he is in or not, but that seems an odd way to look at him.
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Jiyi I could maybe see a case for (though I'd rather see Noritomo Helmer for the Gyrfalcon), but are we really scraping the bottom of the barrel of notable MechWarriors that we'd have to trot out Othar for Legends II? Also, I don't think he even pilots that Blood Reaper anymore; he lost it in Redemption Rites.
Well, the Empire makes more of Blood Reapers, losing one shouldn't be a big deal. And many pilots have piloted different mechs in their careers. I don't think a pilot's current mech matters for which gets featured in Legends. Aris Sung's initial Stinger was featured rather than the Wraith he is far more famous for, and Phelan moved to different mech later on in his career yet his Wolfhound was featured.
As for the notable pilots in the book, Legends I had pilots like Damien Lucille "Lucifer" (only featured in very limited amount of fiction), Katherine Steiner-Davion (despite being anything but a mechwarrior really), and new characters we haven't seen in action at all like Trenton Marik.
Othar as the Wolf Empire's leader is a notable person and a mechwarrior, and will most likely have a large role to play in the future, so i see him as a very likely candidate for Legends II.
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If it absolutely must be a mech (boo!), my hope is for the Carbine.
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While we're going with wild guesses, why don't we just...
(https://preview.redd.it/qpq354tocnk51.jpg?width=787&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=ffaef6c8a55c0a2cfe25af91d5dc16db2da71e7f)
Hahaha - still need to paint mine :cry:
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I have no problem with that.
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I was going to say that I wouldn't be mad if the surprise ended up being one of the Field Manual mechs (Perseus, Templar, Akuma, etc...), but now I'm on Team Hot Dog Mech.
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I was going to say that I wouldn't be mad if the surprise ended up being one of the Field Manual mechs (Perseus, Templar, Akuma, etc...), but now I'm on Team Hot Dog Mech.
They look even better with the Ketchup/Mustard 'fluid Guns' painted up:
(https://i.redd.it/nfeni4tocnk51.jpg)
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I have a pair of those and the Krabby Gatty as a pair.
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Lmao
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I have a pair of those and the Krabby Gatty as a pair.
I'd love to post up pics of the Crabby Gatty, but because it is very much a King Crab (crossed with the Crabby Patty burger from SpongeBob - complete with 'sesame seeds on top'), it violates RULE 10, and thus folks will need to look it up themselves.
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Yeah, thats why i didn't post mine again. They are in the minis subforum I think.
I'd love to post up pics of the Crabby Gatty, but because it is very much a King Crab (crossed with the Crabby Patty burger from SpongeBob - complete with 'sesame seeds on top'), it violates RULE 10, and thus folks will need to look it up themselves.
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They look even better with the Ketchup/Mustard 'fluid Guns' painted up:
That is just a Perseus.
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Why would Othar be the bottom of the barrel? He is ruling the Wolf Empire, making him an important figure in the IlClan era.
Not saying he is in or not, but that seems an odd way to look at him.
I don’t see how it’s odd at all. He’s only been in a single book so far and is hardly what I’d consider “legend” material. But as mentioned, Trenton Marik warranted an entry for some reason, so clearly anyone’s fair game at this point. Still, until he has a little more airtime, I stand by my assessment.
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I don’t see how it’s odd at all. He’s only been in a single book so far and is hardly what I’d consider “legend” material. Until he has a little more airtime, I stand by my assessment.
I get where you're coming from here, but if you can point me to Trenton Marik's screen time outside of the first Legends book I'd love to read it.
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I get where you're coming from here, but if you can point me to Trenton Marik's screen time outside of the first Legends book I'd love to read it.
Already edited my reply to mention him, as he’s another oddball placement in the first book that left me scratching my head. And I think you guys are misunderstanding what I said: I didn’t say Othar couldn’t appear in Legends, I’m saying he shouldn’t necessarily.
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When it comes to what's considered "legendary", apparently anything goes. Anyone ever consider Jeremiah Rose legendary? Me neither. But we're getting his 'Mech. (At least it's a Charger 3K.)
If I had a dollar for everyone who actually paints it in Black Thorn colors, I probably wouldn't be able to get a beer at happy hour.
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Already edited my reply to mention him, as he’s another oddball placement in the first book that left me scratching my head. And I think you guys are misunderstanding what I said: I didn’t say Othar couldn’t appear in Legends, I’m saying he shouldn’t necessarily.
I think Legends (and II) are aiming to be books that aren't immediately obsoleted by the timeline moving forward a few years. Don't call it a preview, necessarily, but I'd expect anyone in it in the IlClan era section to matter for a little while.
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I think Legends (and II) are aiming to be books that aren't immediately obsoleted by the timeline moving forward a few years. Don't call it a preview, necessarily, but I'd expect anyone in it in the IlClan era section to matter for a little while.
Well, here’s hoping that if Othar does make it into Legends II, his rump state doesn’t get swallowed up by the FWL before he gets a chance to shine. Because so far, getting carted off the battlefield by an Elemental riding a Mech probably isn’t the kind of legendary he would want to be known for. 😂
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If the number of appearances played any role in this, there wouldn't be any characters for some eras. Not the number of past (or even future) appearances is important, but the role the characters played in their era.
Otherwise there would not have been an ilClan era section in the first Legends, because there were no characters for it.
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Yeah, I always felt, it should have been more about significance of the Warriors to be considered for Legends..BUT of course they had to make decision based on the limited number of available Wave 1 3D models...still weird selections
For example If you want to showcase a Victor choosing Alys Rousset-Marik over Ardan Sortek or even Belle Lee is odd
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They look even better with the Ketchup/Mustard 'fluid Guns' painted up:
They need a variant with the ketchup replaced with a celery salt shaker for Chicago.
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They need a variant with the ketchup replaced with a celery salt shaker for Chicago.
WeinerMech Mk IV* (four stars)
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When it comes to what's considered "legendary", apparently anything goes. Anyone ever consider Jeremiah Rose legendary? Me neither. But we're getting his 'Mech. (At least it's a Charger 3K.)
If I had a dollar for everyone who actually paints it in Black Thorn colors, I probably wouldn't be able to get a beer at happy hour.
His death was pretty legendary...
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Already edited my reply to mention him, as he’s another oddball placement in the first book that left me scratching my head. And I think you guys are misunderstanding what I said: I didn’t say Othar couldn’t appear in Legends, I’m saying he shouldn’t necessarily.
Well, he does. (Shrug) He's a significant figure and will continue to be for a while yet.
Trenton Marik will be a main character in Phil's upcoming novel Letter of the Law, a follow-up to Hunting Season. As DarkISI said, the intent with the ilClan chapter was to highlight a few figures who will be Legends, rather than already are. A fun glimpse of the future.
Alys Rousset-Marik was chosen because we needed MechWarriors specific to the Jihad Era, that didn't also/better fit in other eras, who drove a 'Mech that wasn't already claimed by a character clearly pinned to a specific era, and who might cover factions that weren't already covered in that era. Belle Lee, sure, but we only had four characters allotted for the Jihad era and one of them was already Stone. Sortek, sure, but we were awash in Succession Wars era characters and needed to make cuts. Not that many other notable figures drove a Victor, and Marik wasn't all that well represented across the book. So, Alys. (Ardan does appear in Legends II, in a Victor.)
Picking the lineup for that first Legends book was not easy. There were many, many more factors involved than just the characters who objectively (let alone subjectively) qualified as "legends." We all had our Hall of Fame picks, sure, but needs must.
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Already edited my reply to mention him, as he’s another oddball placement in the first book that left me scratching my head. And I think you guys are misunderstanding what I said: I didn’t say Othar couldn’t appear in Legends, I’m saying he shouldn’t necessarily.
LOL, Kishio appearing in a different era than we saw him when last we knew he was dead.
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Well, he does. (Shrug)
Fair enough. *shrug*
LOL, Kishio appearing in a different era than we saw him when last we knew he was dead.
If ever there were a current character that desperately needs more facetime. Poor guy.
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I don't directly handle announcements anymore, that's Rem's department. The big Coming Releases page update a few weeks ago would have been the time to end the old thread and start a new one with that leading off, but I felt we were still too many pages short of the usual 50. (Shrug)
None of the guesses about the surprise (sigh) Salvage Box are correct yet.
While the page of the "Coming Releases" is accurate, the "Latest BattleTech Releases" page SERIOUSLY needs to be updated. :undecided: The "Newest" thing listed is:
Operational Turning Points: Fronc Reaches (E-Publication) [PDF]
PDF Released: 29 March 2019
Granted, ya'll Could always wait until 29 March, for the "Five Year Anniversary" feeling I guess? :huh:
:laugh:
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I asked Randall back at GC '22, about the possibility of a Leviathans Console/PC game. He said since CGL isn't into making those, someone would have to approach THEM about making one. :sad: I like the idea of Leviathans, but without anyone to LEARN how to play it with (or play it with other than once a year), AND the Fact that I'm already Heavily Invested in BT, I don't see the point in getting into the board game. But I'd probably play the HELL out of a console version of Leviathans! :smilie_happy_thumbup:
A few weeks back I had a thought for another Console/PC game, though I'm not sure how well it would do. :undecided: Basically, a videogame version of BattleTroops. Have it turn-based (or even RTS), with a 4-6 man squad. Able to play as one of the 5 Houses or Comstar and one of the bigger Merc units (GDL, KH or WD) initially, later as WoB and Clans (if it panned out). Different Factions have different "Special Abilities" to use while playing, said Abilities either for use in or outside of combat. Playing as a Merc for one of the different Factions could give different SAs.
I know there are a number of WWII games where you control a squad, plus HBS has the 3 SR games and The Lamplighters League, which are both turn-based. Does anyone have Jordan's phone # or email address? :grin:
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So I take it there was nothing BattleTech in yesterday's Tuesday newsday?
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So I take it there was nothing BattleTech in yesterday's Tuesday newsday?
I don't think there was one yesterday because Rem is at GAMA.
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So I take it there was nothing BattleTech in yesterday's Tuesday newsday?
Correct
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Correct
THought I missed something.
All the big updates will probably be during and after adepticon.
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I thought they announced last week that they would be gone this week.
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I thought they announced last week that they would be gone this week.
Yep, it was in the very last minute of the show.
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IIRC they're planning to film and upload a seminar from GAMA
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Given how popular ci salvage boxes were, I'm betting a salvage box containing a random out of everything they put out before the Mercs release.
Legendary 1, agoac, bb, ci, dragoons.
Probably not, but still my bet
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Given how popular ci salvage boxes were, I'm betting a salvage box containing a random out of everything they put out before the Mercs release.
Legendary 1, agoac, bb, ci, dragoons.
Probably not, but still my bet
Randall said it had nothing to do with the Kickstarter and was something we hadn't seen before.
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Ares Mk IX? :cool:
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Jade Phoenix salvage box. Yes please
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I'm surprised that Stacy Church wasn't another candidate for a Jihad era legend specific character. She was drummed up as next Natasha Kerensky, driving her old Black Widow Company out for a spin against the Blakists. She virtually disappeared whatever she was suppose to be doing.
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Randall said it had nothing to do with the Kickstarter and was something we hadn't seen before.
An Invader class jumpship :smiley:
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I'm surprised that Stacy Church wasn't another candidate for a Jihad era legend specific character. She was drummed up as next Natasha Kerensky, driving her old Black Widow Company out for a spin against the Blakists. She virtually disappeared whatever she was suppose to be doing.
Stacy Church and Co are in the Wolf's Dragoon Assault Star Pack but I to wish she was in more fiction or fluff. I can only guess it was do to timing of her introduction and how everything was very much in flux in terms of narrative.
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IMHO the obvious time to make further mention of her was the war's of the republic era historical. after the 4th sucession war the 'goons needed time to recover and the 'goons action was mostly the black widow battalion for a time, it woulda made sense to show the black widow company acting for the 'goons, instead yeah they basicly where forgotten about until the dark age era where they where renamed... for some reason or another
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(Ardan does appear in Legends II, in a Victor.)
When I saw they weren't in the first one, I kind of thought he and Katrina were being saved for a potential followup, TBH. Don't wanna leave your cupboard totally bare just in case you decide to do a sequel, yeah?
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Hey Guuuuuuuys……
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Imma hope that is somebody trolling.
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Troll or real, I must give respect to CGL for this :grin:
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It’s from Randalls pile.
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The day the stupid ****** joke that is the Urbanmech finally dies will be the happiest day of my life
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Randall got Homeworld! Fellow banana driver!
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An Invader class jumpship :smiley:
‘Mech scale.
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if we where going to get a LAM I wish it was a Phawk LAM
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I don't know what hurts more, my head or my heart...
At least more a "one and done" cute thing unlike the sane UrbanMech or Blood Asp where having multiplies was more interesting to me.
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if we where going to get a LAM I wish it was a Phawk LAM
I've hoped at some point we would get an LAM lance pack. This wasn't what I was hoping for!
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I won't be the only one with an Urbie LAM now! :cheesy:
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Honestly, if the urbanmech meme is still so strong that they figure this is a good investment, I kinda want to say more power to them. Soldier on you little trash can. I'll add you to my buy list when I can.
Personally, I would have preferred a box full of scorpions, but it is what it is.
EDIT: Also I can't really see the contents very well, but one of the figures seem to have a large smoke cloud floating up from it, and the boxes of this size usually have four figures, so... mech mode, airmech mode, fighter mode, and crashed?
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I still say it's a photoshop that was put in there as a prank.
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it is definitely not a prank
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The day the stupid ****** joke that is the Urbanmech finally dies will be the happiest day of my life
LOL, agreed. If this is real you couldn't pay me to take that pack
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Personally, I would have preferred a box full of scorpions, but it is what it is.
Hell, I'd prefer a box of actual scorpions than to spend that much money on a meme.
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LOL, agreed. If this is real you couldn't pay me to take that pack
more for me then.
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Hell, I'd prefer a box of actual scorpions than to spend that much money on a meme.
more for me then.
That's kinda how it goes, though, right? Don't buy the Urbie, buy the Urbie, the market will decide if the meme is truly dead.
(personally I'm still leaning towards the buy side)
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Hell, I'd prefer a box of actual scorpions than to spend that much money on a meme.
Couldn't have put it better myself.
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Being a wet blanket won't stop the stuff you want from coming out. Just move on, complaining about it just makes the game we love look bad.
Focus on what else is coming out.
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I'd argue that calling people names for expressing opinions we don't agree with are what make the game look bad, but that's just me.
We're all entitled to share our opinions here. Some of you like the meme and want to spend your money on it. Cool. Some of us don't. Also cool.
Now, let's get that Raven Alliance novel out so I can buy it.
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Well if accurate I'm dissapointed it wasn't something I find fun/interesting, but you guys go wild, I'm glad you are enjoying your meme.
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The gall of game designers, trying to do something fun and amusing! How dare they!
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I know a guy who will probably buy two. More power to him, although I'll hope for fewer meme products in the future.
I'd take the legendary Steiner scout Lance over this, but that's me. My urbies pack arrows, preferably offboard.
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Jokes are always funnier the more they're repeated, right?
Nah, this ain't it, chief. I'm not going to take another multiple-year break from BattleTech over it, but I really hope the people responsible have thought through all the implications here. I'm not against novelty items, but this looks to be packaged just like any other ready-to-play miniatures set. It's going to cause confusion in the market.
The gall of game designers, trying to do something fun and amusing! How dare they!
Customers absolutely have the right to sound off about products they don't like or find uninteresting.
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Yep! Grim and dour! That's the only way to go! Down with fun! And I should know! I am the enemy of fun!
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Yep! Grim and dour! That's the only way to go! Down with fun! And I should know! I am the enemy of fun!
Tell me you didn't read a single word Bosch said without telling me you didn't read a single word he said.
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Seeing the noble Urbie besmirched with the heresy of LAM-ness makes me very unhappy.
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Seeing the noble Urbie besmirched with the heresy of LAME-ness makes me very unhappy.
Fixed it for you! :smilie_happy_thumbup:
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Personally, I would have preferred a box full of scorpions, but it is what it is.
The 'Mechs or the tanks? :huh:
Personally, I'd prefer the Quads (New Blood for Quinn's Quads!), but a 4-pack of the tanks would be cool also. Don't think I'd buy them (I prefer Metal minis), but hey, whatever works for CGL. :smilie_happy_thumbup:
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The day the stupid ****** joke that is the Urbanmech finally dies will be the happiest day of my life
AMEN!! :drinking01:
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An Invader class jumpship :smiley:
THAT would be Cool! :cool: :smilie_happy_thumbup:
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The gall of game designers, trying to do something fun and amusing! How dare they!
But it's not my thing! And I spend tens of dollars on this product! It's stealing from me!
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Hey Guuuuuuuys……
After seeing this here, then in several BT Groups on FB, I guess now we know what the "Surprise Salvage Box" is? :laugh:
Makes me wonder, did Randall leave it in the pic By Accident, or On Purpose? :huh:
You'd think he would've gotten a packing list with the package, so he'd Know what was in there, so he could edit that item out of any "Unboxing" video he shot. Maybe it's a genuine "Oops!" on his part though? :huh: :grin:
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But it's not my thing! And I spend tens of dollars on this product! It's stealing from me!
I’m honestly not sure what’s worse here: the fact that you and Swift are making completely tone-deaf responses to things that literally no one here has said, or that you think mocking people for the amount of money they may or may not spend on BattleTech is acceptable. If I were a new player and saw these kinds of things coming from writers, I’d find a new hobby post-haste. Seriously, stop and reflect on the impression this leaves.
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Lets just see what else is in the box.
It's not my first choice of design. But I will consume product anyways.
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Lets just see what else is in the box.
It's not my first choice of design. But I will consume product anyways.
always in moderation. eating too much of that packaging might lead to a toxic overdose of ink.
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always in moderation. eating too much of that packaging might lead to a toxic overdose of ink.
For my Catalyst Plastic fix needs the Toxic overdose of ink might be worth it.
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I'm just glad that we are finally getting the remaning
Combat Force Manuals. Mayhap a little delayed, but we are finally getting them! :smilie_happy_clapping:
For those of us who already have CM: Mercs and CM: Kurita, what added value will be in the new Combat Manuals? Still going to get 'em when they come out, but I'm just wondering if there's going to be anything in the old CMs that might be worth hanging on to.
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Until the Force Manuals come out, I'm not sure any of us outside of the devs can say.
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I remember hearing the new one will have record sheets for all the new/unique variants included.
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The 'Mechs or the tanks? :huh:
Yes.
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Im interested in more of the Ilclan upgrades for the Force Manuals.
Pretty behind on the lore and history of that.
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I'm just glad that we are finally getting the remaning Combat Force Manuals. Mayhap a little delayed, but we are finally getting them! :smilie_happy_clapping:
For those of us who already have CM: Mercs and CM: Kurita, what added value will be in the new Combat Manuals? Still going to get 'em when they come out, but I'm just wondering if there's going to be anything in the old CMs that might be worth hanging on to.
From my understanding, the new Force Manuals are not just Alpha Strike focused. So, they're similar projects and lifted a lot from the Combat Manuals, but they're also expanded in many ways too. Not just a clone product under a new name.
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Shrapnel 16 should be out in about two weeks, as scheduled.
Looking forward to this, and to the next Legends book!
And thank you all for the good laughs about the LAM that shall not be named by order of the the Brotherhood of Mod. :smilie_happy_thumbup: :smilie_happy_thumbup: Two thumbs up.
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Makes me wonder, did Randall leave it in the pic By Accident, or On Purpose? :huh:
After the open disappointment for having the Savannah Master leaked to do it with this would be amusing if unintentional.
From my understanding, the new Force Manuals are not just Alpha Strike focused. So, they're similar projects and lifted a lot from the Combat Manuals, but they're also expanded in many ways too. Not just a clone product under a new name.
The shots of the Force Manual: Kurita physical proof up on instragram showed entirely different contents compared to the same page number in Combat Manual: Kurita, showing of rank insigina and the like, so even own Mercs and Kurita they look to must buys.
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For those of us who already have CM: Mercs and CM: Kurita, what added value will be in the new Combat Manuals? Still going to get 'em when they come out, but I'm just wondering if there's going to be anything in the old CMs that might be worth hanging on to.
I've made a note to ask Joshua if he'd prepare a Developer's Notes piece for the website and social media to detail this, and/or be willing to go on Rem's weekly show at the time of FM Davion's release.
I think this is a really important question for us to answer. The Force Manuals are kind of a unique thing; we've done POD reprints and we've done "spiritual successors" to older books, like the Handbook series. But there are relatively few examples of us directly re-making a prior book in this way. These will probably appeal without much trouble to folks who've joined us (or come back) since the first Kickstarter. But for the long-time and enfranchised customers who were with us when the Combat Manuals came out eight (!!) years ago, we should provide a thorough answer. (Plus, it never hurts to show everyone what's inside a new product!)
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I hesitate to post this because I'm really NOT looking to re-ignite the UrbanMech LAM argument. ( :police:)
But Ray posted this over on the Mercs KS thread, and since it was the subject of discussion here, I thought it worth reflecting on this thread too. The Line Developer speaketh-eth:
So, a few points on the Urbie LAM.
- It’s 100% non-canon.
- It’s real and a joke.
- I hear you, those of you that don’t like it or raise issues with it. I fought that fight. The meme won. We’re in the minority. That’s ok.
- The Urbie salvage box SOLD like crazy. So did the lance pack. So did the company pack. Let’s not forget the plushie. You don’t have to like it. But any money towards BattleTech means more money toward things we do want.
- This concept was first released during the Clan Invasion KS on April Fools, and there was an overwhelming demand for this mini to be made.
- Side note, this is not a sign that LAMs are on the way. There was never a “Phoenix Hawk vs. Urbie” LAM question.
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LAM-CHADs, WE'RE SO BACK!
Honestly, joke or not, I'm taking this as the door being opened for CGL to make more Unseen LAM models, because screw HG they lost their lawsuits. Plus, I could see ways or reasons a UM LAM would work. Might incorporate it into my Logan Prime periphery units or an Air-Slip variant, depending on how early in canon they make this thin-
I hesitate to post this because I'm really NOT looking to re-ignite the UrbanMech LAM argument. ( :police:)
But Ray posted this over on the Mercs KS thread, and since it was the subject of discussion here, I thought it worth reflecting on this thread too. The Line Developer speaketh-eth:
Oh so its non-canon....well I still like the model and appreciate the shitpost, and it at least inspires me to make an Urbanmech [Air-Slip] variant if nothing else.
Though it really should be opening the door to LAMs again and rule tweaks for them. Just saying, screw HG ya'll should make official unseen LAM models and rub it in their faces since they lost the lawsuit.
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I think it's fun.
The only sad part is that the box will have 3 minis... which isn't a full lance, and that will drive my number-based OCD insane. :P
BYE
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I think it's fun.
The only sad part is that the box will have 3 minis... which isn't a full lance, and that will drive my number-based OCD insane. :P
BYE
It contains 3 minis because it's technically one Unit in it's 3 Variants of the URBIE-LAM
if you need a full lance, you'll need to buy 4 packs.
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Use the Urbie rubble from the NWH pack as the fourth lancemate.
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Use the Urbie rubble from the NWH pack as the fourth lancemate.
It's just crazy enough to work
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Use the Urbie rubble from the NWH pack as the fourth lancemate.
Failed its landing roll.
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three forms, one urbie lam
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And you can use it to proxy for the Champion LAM, which is cannon.
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I am disappointed the Urbie LAM isn't canonized. :undecided: I guess there too much dislikes from people whom don't like LAMs. Sad.
Thanks for making the UrbieMech LAM miniature.
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I doubt that’s why lol
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With regard to new products, here’s what is important:
“You don’t have to like it. But any money towards BattleTech means more money toward things we do want.” - Ray via Cubby
I say game on!
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And you can use it to proxy for the Champion LAM, which is cannon.
Did that ever get past (failed) prototype?
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No. It’s an ilegal design being over 55 tons
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Too chonk to fly.
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I've made a note to ask Joshua if he'd prepare a Developer's Notes piece for the website and social media to detail this, and/or be willing to go on Rem's weekly show at the time of FM Davion's release.
I think this is a really important question for us to answer. The Force Manuals are kind of a unique thing; we've done POD reprints and we've done "spiritual successors" to older books, like the Handbook series. But there are relatively few examples of us directly re-making a prior book in this way. These will probably appeal without much trouble to folks who've joined us (or come back) since the first Kickstarter. But for the long-time and enfranchised customers who were with us when the Combat Manuals came out eight (!!) years ago, we should provide a thorough answer. (Plus, it never hurts to show everyone what's inside a new product!)
Nice! And wow, I forgot it's been that long since the redesigns started. We've had the new and amazing Classics for almost a decade now... :shocked:
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No. It’s an ilegal design being over 55 tons
At some time in the late 80's/early 90's, I made an Atlas LAM. :rolleyes:
I either didn't read the Rule regarding the weight limit, OR there wasn't a Rule at the time. Seems like I used BattleTech Manual: The Rules of Warfare? I didn't know it was illegal until this side of '01, or maybe this side of '05? :grin:
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With regard to new products, here’s what is important:
“You don’t have to like it. But any money towards BattleTech means more money toward things we do want.” - Ray via Cubby
I say game on!
I buy AS and the RPG stuff, knowing full well I'm 99.999% Unlikely to EVER use them. I even got the LE GM Screen for A Time of War! Never bought any of the AS Lance Packs (I prefer Metal minis), but I've got AS, ASC, and AS: CE, as well as all the various AS card sets (including the Ad Hoc cards), and the AS Box Set. Again, I'll Most Likely NEVER use them, but as Ray said, it's money to CGL for them to make BT Products I'll actually like and Want to use. :smilie_happy_thumbup:
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At some time in the late 80's/early 90's, I made an Atlas LAM. :rolleyes:
I either didn't read the Rule regarding the weight limit, OR there wasn't a Rule at the time. Seems like I used BattleTech Manual: The Rules of Warfare? I didn't know it was illegal until this side of '01, or maybe this side of '05? :grin:
amusingly, AeroTech 1e and the BattleTech Manual only say you must devote 10% to conversion gear. The first instance of the 55 ton cap I found was in the Compendium. Somewhere between 87 and 90 they were like "yo that's horrifying take it out"
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I'll probably pick up the Urbanmech LAM. I would have grabbed the Urbie in a salvage box, but they've all been sold out for as long as I can remember. I don't have any need for 4 different versions as I have no problem proxying miniatures, and I certainly have no need for 12 of the things. So this box ticks my needs. The 'Mech version will be a stand-in for any urbanmech needs I may have, and the LAM versions will be stand-ins for any LAMs I may include in a force. The fact that it's kind of funny and kitschy is just a bonus.
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Again, I'll Most Likely NEVER use them, but as Ray said, it's money to CGL for them to make BT Products I'll actually like and Want to use. :smilie_happy_thumbup:
This is exactly the takeaway to have. There are hordes of people who will drop money on this, and it helps fund the next products in the queue. Here's to hoping they can settle the issues of the fact-checking/editorial bottleneck to expand the volume of new product so they can ride the wave of new users interested in this game as an alternative to GW products. I'll buy if they fly, and I don't necessarily mean LAMs.
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This is exactly the takeaway to have. There are hordes of people who will drop money on this, and it helps fund the next products in the queue.
Absolutely.
I would prefer that the clans would never have existed, but I'm glad they did for the business aspect of BT continuing on as a viable product so I can get things that I do like.
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I don't understand this part of business, so I would appreciate it if somebody would like to explain this to me.
Using money and resources to create a controversial product to fund another more desirable product...
How is that better than skipping controversial product and using the money and resource to create the more desirable product instead of it and sooner?
Right now I see it as only giving priority to producing a product that is less desirable, pushing the production of a product people would be more interested in further in the future.
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If they make the product that is "desirable" and it doesn't sell as well as they might have hoped, that could kill an entire product line for years. If they generate an excess of funds from something "controversial," then they can more easily produce that "desirable" product and tolerate poor sales that might result.
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Absolutely.
I would prefer that the clans would never have existed, but I'm glad they did for the business aspect of BT continuing on as a viable product so I can get things that I do like.
This exactly. I'm pretty much a Succession Wars guy (though I do like the cut of the ilClan era's jib), but I am not going to begrudge TPTB for making Clan Invasion, FCCW, Jihad and Dark Age stuff, because there are people who like it and will buy it, leaving money for more Succession Wars goodies as well. A rising tide floats ALL boats, after all...
At some time in the late 80's/early 90's, I made an Atlas LAM. :rolleyes:
That's what this game needs, a Highlander LAM. It brings a whole new meaning to "death from above" -- "Och, Ah'm nae crashin', Ah'm giving yon Sassenach doon below a taste o' th' ULTIMATE 'Highlander Burial...'" :evil:
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If they make the product that is "desirable" and it doesn't sell as well as they might have hoped, that could kill an entire product line for years. If they generate an excess of funds from something "controversial," then they can more easily produce that "desirable" product and tolerate poor sales that might result.
This is based on an assumption that the controversial product would sell well, better than the other, more desirable product.
Chances of a controversial product sales tanking are by default higher that a more desirable product sales tanking.
If desirable product sales tanking are enough to put the product line in jeopardy, then controversial product sales tanking should have a worse outcome.
I do not doubt that Urbanmech lance sold well, but I find it hard to believe it sold better than Clan Invasion or Mercenary force packs.
I may be wrong but I believe most of the BT fans would rather have the McCarron's Armored Cavalry in Q1/Q2 than Q3, than Urbanmech LAM salvage pack.
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All of the urbie stuff has sold very well. The controversial part comes from people griping on the internet, not lukewarm sales. If your market research is reading opinions on the internet or believing you understand what people actually buy and in what quantity, you’re going to come to incorrect conclusions
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I don't understand this part of business, so I would appreciate it if somebody would like to explain this to me.
Using money and resources to create a controversial product to fund another more desirable product...
How is that better than skipping controversial product and using the money and resource to create the more desirable product instead of it and sooner?
Right now I see it as only giving priority to producing a product that is less desirable, pushing the production of a product people would be more interested in further in the future.
You are defining products as “desirable” and “controversial” based on your own perception and biases. Even forum/reddit/social media posts are at best only qualitative data and really tricky to make business decisions on. Qualitative data is king here, and CGL has that in the form of sales data. Per Ray’s post, urbie stuff sells well. Therefore, making another urbie product makes business sense since it is likely to also sell well.
To look at it another way, it is better to make a product that will sell well but some customers will dislike (but won’t stop being customers) over a product no one will dislike but won’t sell as well.
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All of the urbie stuff has sold very well. The controversial part comes from people griping on the internet, not lukewarm sales. If your market research is reading opinions on the internet or believing you understand what people actually buy and in what quantity, you’re going to come to incorrect conclusions
I concur, my impressions come from opinions of people on the internet, like this forum, BT subreddit, 4-5 different BT discords I am on, etc, where overwhelming opinion on the Urbanmech salvage pack was lukewarm if not outright negative.
Like I said in my previous post, I do not doubt that Urbanmech lance sold well, I expressed my doubt that it sold better then most of the other force packs.
It seemed strange to me to release another Urbanmech product in less than a year, for a meme at that, while we have only one Mercenary force pack for the whole year to come.
If Urbanmech pack is selling better than other force packs, that's undoubtedly great for CGL, and they should definitely continue creating and selling more.
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This is based on an assumption that the controversial product would sell well, better than the other, more desirable product.
Chances of a controversial product sales tanking are by default higher that a more desirable product sales tanking.
If desirable product sales tanking are enough to put the product line in jeopardy, then controversial product sales tanking should have a worse outcome.
I do not doubt that Urbanmech lance sold well, but I find it hard to believe it sold better than Clan Invasion or Mercenary force packs.
I may be wrong but I believe most of the BT fans would rather have the McCarron's Armored Cavalry in Q1/Q2 than Q3, than Urbanmech LAM salvage pack.
That "assumption" (I would call it a projection) is based on actual sales data of comparable products.
The Combat Manual series was cancelled because it didn't sell well enough fast enough. That is a product line that people liked but which didn't meet expectations, whatever those were. If selling UrbanMech LAMs allows a print (or any other "desirable") product to make it to customers' hands, then I'm all for it. If you choose not to be, then I guess we're at an impasse.
Think of it this way: The only way the "desirable" product might actually come into existence is through the existence of a surplus of cash. The "controversial" product might generate that cash. If it fails to do so, that "desirable" product simply won't come into being. If there is no other way to make that existence real, would you prefer that they never try to make it real? (This is the same issue with complaints regarding retailer exclusive items, when those items wouldn't exist without that retailer's purchase, which is based on exclusivity.)
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Also self-selecting Internet communities are notoriously poor representative samples
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At some time in the late 80's/early 90's, I made an Atlas LAM. :rolleyes:
I either didn't read the Rule regarding the weight limit, OR there wasn't a Rule at the time. Seems like I used BattleTech Manual: The Rules of Warfare? I didn't know it was illegal until this side of '01, or maybe this side of '05? :grin:
Yeah, I made an Awesome LAM back in the 80s, too. :-) "Only 10% tonnage and I can fly around with the PPCs?? OKAY!!" hahaha
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Also self-selecting Internet communities are notoriously poor representative samples
And people tend to be more vocal when they have a complaint rather then are satisfied. I'm sure I'm not alone in having never posted anything up to this point about Urbanmechs (outside of some painted miniatures) but I did buy some. I'm not even big on the meme, I just wanted some Urbanmechs.
Since I am posting, I want a bug box. And a LAM box. And a Celestial box. And an industrialmech box. And a non-limited cover version of the upcoming Remembrance book. I never really knew I wanted an Urbanmech LAM box, but now I want that too.
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And people tend to be more vocal when they have a complaint rather then are satisfied. I'm sure I'm not alone in having never posted anything up to this point about Urbanmechs (outside of some painted miniatures) but I did buy some. I'm not even big on the meme, I just wanted some Urbanmechs.
Since I am posting, I want a bug box. And a LAM box. And a Celestial box. And an industrialmech box. And a non-limited cover version of the upcoming Remembrance book. I never really knew I wanted an Urbanmech LAM box, but now I want that too.
While I'm going to pass on the Urbie LAM as I'm not a fan of the meme or non-canonical units I woul unironically love to buy every other potential box you listed.
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LORD, I'd love to get a Celestials box so bad. Then I could start doing my Thuggee Warrior House up right.
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Also self-selecting Internet communities are notoriously poor representative samples
This. To call a product controversial because a few dozen people are loud about their dislike of it is a total stretch. I mean, literally, 3 maybe 4 dozen people complaining across multiple social media platforms.
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Controversy is also a form of free advertising. I for one, had never heard of the Urbanmech LAM meme prior to the discussion in this thread. I'm sure there are plenty of others in the same boat.
Also, it's different, and different is usually good. You mentioned the MAC forcepack, which I believe includes a Tian-Zong, a reposed Black Knight an Awesome, and a jumping Starslayer. Of those, the Tian-Zong is the only new 'Mech. If I had no clue what a Tian-Zong is, or I just wasn't that interested in it, I could make do with the Black Knight, Awesome, and Starslayer (that I'm going to get in the Mercenaries Box Set) that I already have and wouldn't have much motivation to buy the MAC forcepack. Conversely, if I'm interested in LAMs, the Urbie LAM will be the only one available (at least for a little while) and therefore, I'm more willing to buy that.
Finally, there's the matter of timing. If CGL released a Pheonix Hawk LAM, it would sell like hotcakes. If they then release an Urbie LAM, it would probably not sell so quickly. But if they release the Urbie LAM first, it will sell like hotcakes because it's the only LAM available*. Then release the Pheonix Hawk LAM, and it will still sell like hotcakes.
*Yes, I'm ignoring IWM, 3D printing, etc. I'm limiting my discussion to what's available from CGL, and assuming the average consumer walks into a store, looks at what's on the shelf and makes a decision about what to buy.
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This is where I feel the Somerset Striker ForcePack is perfect in that it covered nostalgia, meme-ness and providing new 'Mechs people wanted in one single pack, which was why it was saved for the $8Mill Hail Mary.
I'm not sure what other pack would fit that perfect combo, Ubie LAM (and Ubie anything) is clearly focused on meme aspect and less palatable for some parts of the fandom, but if it sells it sells.
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This is where I feel the Somerset Striker ForcePack is perfect in that it covered nostalgia, meme-ness and providing new 'Mechs people wanted in one single pack, which was why it was saved for the $8Mill Hail Mary.
I'm not sure what other pack would fit that perfect combo, Ubie LAM (and Ubie anything) is clearly focused on meme aspect and less palatable for some parts of the fandom, but if it sells it sells.
I agree with the perfection of the somerset strikers pack. I ordered 3 of them for the KS. One I will paint up based on the cartoon (which was actually my introduction to this franchise). The other two are because those mechs are legit useful and I wanted them for other forces. Hatamoto-Chi and Mauler had been two glaring ommisions in the plastic Kurita line-up, and while we had an Axman, the 2N is probably my favorite fire support mech ever (Oh, you thought closing to close range of the missile boat would be BETTER?). I can always find a use for the other mechs in the pack as none of them are duds.
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Controversy is also a form of free advertising. I for one, had never heard of the Urbanmech LAM meme prior to the discussion in this thread. I'm sure there are plenty of others in the same boat.
Also, it's different, and different is usually good. You mentioned the MAC forcepack, which I believe includes a Tian-Zong, a reposed Black Knight an Awesome, and a jumping Starslayer. Of those, the Tian-Zong is the only new 'Mech. If I had no clue what a Tian-Zong is, or I just wasn't that interested in it, I could make do with the Black Knight, Awesome, and Starslayer (that I'm going to get in the Mercenaries Box Set) that I already have and wouldn't have much motivation to buy the MAC forcepack. Conversely, if I'm interested in LAMs, the Urbie LAM will be the only one available (at least for a little while) and therefore, I'm more willing to buy that.
Finally, there's the matter of timing. If CGL released a Pheonix Hawk LAM, it would sell like hotcakes. If they then release an Urbie LAM, it would probably not sell so quickly. But if they release the Urbie LAM first, it will sell like hotcakes because it's the only LAM available*. Then release the Pheonix Hawk LAM, and it will still sell like hotcakes.
*Yes, I'm ignoring IWM, 3D printing, etc. I'm limiting my discussion to what's available from CGL, and assuming the average consumer walks into a store, looks at what's on the shelf and makes a decision about what to buy.
This is a good comment.
It made me think of another point:
As far as controversies go, this is nothing. It's a LAM, it's one small product and it will fall back into the pack as newer products are released.
Want to see a major BT controversy?
The Clans and Clan Tech.
To this Very Day you can find people who still complain about how much the Clans and Clan tech imbalance the game. Well over three decades later.
BT not only survived but got injected with new life with the Clan Invasion Kickstarter.
If BT not only survived that but is now thriving because of it, then hoopla over a small product that isn't even canon is nothing.
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I agree with the perfection of the somerset strikers pack. I ordered 3 of them for the KS. One I will paint up based on the cartoon (which was actually my introduction to this franchise). The other two are because those mechs are legit useful and I wanted them for other forces. Hatamoto-Chi and Mauler had been two glaring ommisions in the plastic Kurita line-up, and while we had an Axman, the 2N is probably my favorite fire support mech ever (Oh, you thought closing to close range of the missile boat would be BETTER?). I can always find a use for the other mechs in the pack as none of them are duds.
SSFP is fantastic regardless of any feelings toward the cartoon, because as you pointed out, it gives us two 'Mechs very much missed in DCMS forces. I don't necessarily need another Bushwacker or Wolfhound (or do I?) but it was a pack worth getting multiples of for me. I've entirely apathetic feelings toward an urbie LAM; I got my one UM box, threw it in CapCon colors, and almost never use it. But, on the other hand, someone mentioned using it as a proxy Champion LAM, and I'm tempted to do that & throw it in a ComStar/WoB force. I enjoy giving CGL my monies.
I'm buying at least four of the MAC Force Pack though. Awesomes without needing to get another AGoAC box? Throwing in Black Knights as well? More Starslayers?? Heck, I love the Tian-Zong and that's the -least- exciting part for me.
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Shrapnel has been known to drop a day or two early from time to time. Hopefully that's the case this month.
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I don't understand this part of business, so I would appreciate it if somebody would like to explain this to me.
Using money and resources to create a controversial product to fund another more desirable product...
How is that better than skipping controversial product and using the money and resource to create the more desirable product instead of it and sooner?
Right now I see it as only giving priority to producing a product that is less desirable, pushing the production of a product people would be more interested in further in the future.
The supposition here is that the ‘controversial’ product is either expected to produce more revenue than the hypothetical follow-on, or it will produce more predictable revenue based on past sales and marketing data.
As fans we do not have enough information to properly evaluate the decision, but CGL has reported gangbuster sales on similar urbie-related merch in the past, so it’s not too far of a stretch.
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Shrapnel has been known to drop a day or two early from time to time. Hopefully that's the case this month.
Ooh! I wrote some articles for the upcoming issue. At least one will be well received.
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This is a good comment.
It made me think of another point:
As far as controversies go, this is nothing. It's a LAM, it's one small product and it will fall back into the pack as newer products are released.
Want to see a major BT controversy?
The Clans and Clan Tech.
To this Very Day you can find people who still complain about how much the Clans and Clan tech imbalance the game. Well over three decades later.
BT not only survived but got injected with new life with the Clan Invasion Kickstarter.
If BT not only survived that but is now thriving because of it, then hoopla over a small product that isn't even canon is nothing.
Hell, there's at least two comments under Randall's unboxing video for the 40th Anniversary box set saying for them, the timeline ended in 3052!
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This is a good comment.
It made me think of another point:
As far as controversies go, this is nothing. It's a LAM, it's one small product and it will fall back into the pack as newer products are released.
Want to see a major BT controversy?
The Clans and Clan Tech.
To this Very Day you can find people who still complain about how much the Clans and Clan tech imbalance the game. Well over three decades later.
Hello, Daniel Here, President of the Vancouver Chapter of Clans are imbalanced.
(https://i.imgflip.com/8iywyc.jpg)
Joking aside, It's true, I can take or Leave Clans, and prefer the innersphere....still can't understand why 100+ years later in-game time, the IS has NOT fully adopted the superior Clan tech...
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Ooh! I wrote some articles for the upcoming issue. At least one will be well received.
There's some good fiction going in there, too. Nice spread of eras and subjects. I think it's going to be a very well-received issue.
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Here's to hoping they can settle the issues of the fact-checking/editorial bottleneck to expand the volume of new product
Just catching up. FWIW, fact check and are not the bottlenecks. In fact, thanks to Mendrugo, the fact-check process has been organized and managed better than ever. Likewise, edit is not usually a hold-up. BiggRigg42 is fast and thorough on the game side, and the fiction editors are great too.
Layout. Layout is the main production-process bottleneck. Behind that, senior developer workload.
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Just catching up. FWIW, fact check and are not the bottlenecks. In fact, thanks to Mendrugo, the fact-check process has been organized and managed better than ever. Likewise, edit is not usually a hold-up. BiggRigg42 is fast and thorough on the game side, and the fiction editors are great too.
Layout. Layout is the main production-process bottleneck. Behind that, senior developer workload.
Oh, OK. I saw someone say that elsewhere, but must be outdated info then.
Well, like I said elsewhere, game on! (If I knew a good layout person, I'd send them your way.)
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the people demand DAK2
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To this Very Day you can find people who still complain about how much the Clans and Clan tech imbalance the game. Well over three decades later.
Oh, have people forgot? I'm falling down on my town crier duties!
THE CLANS ARE STILL IMBALANCING THE GAME & I DON'T THINK ANYONE SHOULD USE THEIR MUNCHTECH INCLUDING THEM!
azn
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Psssst... Got some iATMs here, heheheh.....
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Psssst... Got some iATMs here, heheheh.....
i'm calling security
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Just catching up. FWIW, fact check and are not the bottlenecks. In fact, thanks to Mendrugo, the fact-check process has been organized and managed better than ever. Likewise, edit is not usually a hold-up. BiggRigg42 is fast and thorough on the game side, and the fiction editors are great too.
Layout. Layout is the main production-process bottleneck. Behind that, senior developer workload.
Until recently, Phil was doing all the copy edits on every issue of Shrapnel himself, but that's because he's an utter madman.
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Big thanks to all people who engaged with me with positive feedback and discourse on the Urbanmech LAM question.
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From this weeks Tuesday Newsday livestream:
- Kickstarter Fulfillment is still set for June.
- Campaign raised around $12 million after pledge manager.
- 400,000 Salvage boxes produced for the kickstater.
- New Army Painter set releasing this spring. Mercenaries color schemes, Fanatic and Speed Paint 2.0 lines.
- Hints that a Paint + Minis pack is being worked on.
- Next Audiobook delayed due to technical problem on Amazon's end.
- Last minute: There are talks about Battletech Aces being released through a dedicated kickstarter campaign.
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From this weeks Tuesday Newsday livestream:
- Kickstarter Fulfillment is still set for June.
- Campaign raised around $12 million after pledge manager.
- 400,000 Salvage boxes produced for the kickstater.
- New Army Painter set releasing this spring. Mercenaries color schemes, Fanatic and Speed Paint 2.0 lines.
- Hints that a Paint + Minis pack is being worked on.
- Next Audiobook delayed due to technical problem on Amazon's end.
Thanks for the recap!
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Hints that a Paint + Minis pack is being worked on.
Needs to be the AXM-2N Axman to match the old Ral Partha kit (and my first miniature).
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Joking aside, It's true, I can take or Leave Clans, and prefer the innersphere....still can't understand why 100+ years later in-game time, the IS has NOT fully adopted the superior Clan tech...
Probably for the same reason why Marian Hegemony has not fully adopted superior FWL tech
Compounded by the fact that tech level is often a moving target
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Probably for the same reason why Marian Hegemony has not fully adopted superior FWL tech
The Marians are currently being run by the Bazinga guy, their reasons are not anyone else's.
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- New Army Painter set releasing this spring. Mercenaries color schemes, Fanatic and Speed Paint 2.0 lines.
- Hints that a Paint + Minis pack is being worked on.
Noice! I love the idea of an Army Painter BT paint set, but the problem was the 1.0 Speedpaints were just not ready for prime time. The 2.0 are far superior as they don't reactivate just by being pointed in the direction of other paints.
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This. To call a product controversial because a few dozen people are loud about their dislike of it is a total stretch. I mean, literally, 3 maybe 4 dozen people complaining across multiple social media platforms.
I honestly think that had Catalyst not teased the "special salvage box" like it was going to be a bonus box for Kickstarter participants a couple of days earlier and then sneaked the reveal into a picture on social media without actually telling us that it was going to be a non-canon mini that was exclusive to the Catalyst Online Store, there wouldn't have been any complaints about it. Or at least there'd have been very few.
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Probably for the same reason why Marian Hegemony has not fully adopted superior FWL tech
Compounded by the fact that tech level is often a moving target
Currently they already have their factories at the Star League level since 3130, according to the Withworth fluff, if you want to read it you will see that apart from Starcorps, and Kurita, a company of Marik is partially part of the advancement at the Star League level of the Marian Hegemony
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I honestly think that had Catalyst not teased the "special salvage box" like it was going to be a bonus box for Kickstarter participants...
Randall clearly stated that it had nothing to do with the Kickstarter and was a whole other thing.
https://www.youtube.com/live/f5JBhTi3gBo?si=L_Vcf3OlMZ3MzM8S&t=2310
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Randall clearly stated that it had nothing to do with the Kickstarter and was a whole other thing.
https://www.youtube.com/live/f5JBhTi3gBo?si=L_Vcf3OlMZ3MzM8S&t=2310
Which did nothing to dispel the idea that it was going to be a canon thing. And doesn't change that it was shown among a pile of Kickstarter stuff.
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Which did nothing to dispel the idea that it was going to be a canon thing.
Ray however did clarify that it was non-canon.
https://bg.battletech.com/forums/index.php?topic=83382.msg1995699#msg1995699
And doesn't change that it was shown among a pile of Kickstarter stuff.
That would be an assumption on their part then. There was no reason to believe we were getting an extra 'gift' for the Kickstarter and that this was not the 'Salvage Pack' that Randall had already mentioned.
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there wouldn't have been any complaints about it
Thanks man, I really needed that laugh.
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I would still have complained and the volume would not have been any lower.
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Which did nothing to dispel the idea that it was going to be a canon thing. And doesn't change that it was shown among a pile of Kickstarter stuff.
Does canonicity even matter? It’s not “official”, so you can’t use it in a tournament. Was anyone planning on using an Urbanmech in a tournament? Or a LAM? If someone wants to claim that it’s part of “their” universe, and use it in their local gaming group, then that’s their prerogative.
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Does canonicity even matter?
That depends on who you ask. It matters a great deal to a not-insignificant portion of the playerbase.
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That depends on who you ask. It matters a great deal to a not-insignificant portion of the playerbase.
Then don’t get the model and pretend it never existed. My point was, what does it matter that CGL decided to produce a joke product that isn’t canon?
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Does canonicity even matter? It’s not “official”, so you can’t use it in a tournament. Was anyone planning on using an Urbanmech in a tournament? Or a LAM? If someone wants to claim that it’s part of “their” universe, and use it in their local gaming group, then that’s their prerogative.
Announcing that it was a non-canon joke product immediately would have headed off a lot of complaints.
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Then don’t get the model and pretend it never existed.
I mean, no offense, but I don't think people need to be told not to buy a product they don't like or want.
My point was, what does it matter that CGL decided to produce a joke product that isn’t canon?
Read the thread. Several people here have given detailed answers to why it matters to them.
Unfortunately, as is often the case on this forum, people tend to end up talking at each other instead of to each other, because they all have an opinion and they all think theirs is the "correct" one. This is just the latest example of it, unfortunately. Lots of missing or flat-out ignoring people's answers and lots of borderline condescension. And over a meme, at that.
I wish we could do better than this, but alas.
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400,000 salvage boxes is a staggering number, regardless of which ones they are.
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Think of it this way: The only way the "desirable" product might actually come into existence is through the existence of a surplus of cash. The "controversial" product might generate that cash. If it fails to do so, that "desirable" product simply won't come into being. If there is no other way to make that existence real, would you prefer that they never try to make it real? (This is the same issue with complaints regarding retailer exclusive items, when those items wouldn't exist without that retailer's purchase, which is based on exclusivity.)
But if the "desirable" Product was made from the start, it WOULD already be available, to Fail OR Succeed. You wouldn't have to "throw money away" on a joke product with the HOPES that it sells well enough to fund the "desirable" Product.
I'm sure Someone knows what the Sales Numbers are for the Urbie Joke Packs. Whether or not they're higher OR lower than opinions from various Online sources is anyone's guess. It SEEMS like SOME people here feel that this site is the only one where people come to give their opinions on BT Products. There are also those that SEEM to feel that various FB Groups are the only places to give their opinions. I happen to know a few people that refuse to join this site, as well as a few that don't "Do" FB, though I don't know if any of them avoid BOTH places. :shocked:
Eh, while I don't care much for the Urbie (in ANY Form!), I'm not going out of my way to shout it down either. The ONLY reason I've got an Urbie plush is because I won a Trivia Contest at GC a few years back, and Loren gave it to me as the prize. Which happened to be the ONLY time I was at the booth (and I was there several times PER DAY for the entire Con!!), that Loren asked a Trivia Question while I was there. So, whether it was Good Luck or Bad Luck, I won one and still have it. :grin:
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Since I am posting, I want a bug box. And a LAM box. And a Celestial box. And an industrialmech box. And a non-limited cover version of the upcoming Remembrance book. I never really knew I wanted an Urbanmech LAM box, but now I want that too.
While we're at it then . . . I'd like a Goliath Box, Scorpion Box, and ESPECIALLY a Thunderbolt Box! :evil: :drinking01:
With 4 different variants per box of course. :smilie_happy_thumbup:
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That depends on who you ask. It matters a great deal to a not-insignificant portion of the playerbase.
That is absolutely true.
The great thing is, that there is also a not-insignificant portion of the playerbase for which canon is exactly what they want it to be.
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But if the "desirable" Product was made from the start, it WOULD already be available, to Fail OR Succeed.
No company wants to produce something that might fail. That's how companies go out of business. Unless they have money to spend taking a chance. Somehow, that money has to be acquired. The decision was made to do it this way by people who understand the details involved. That means this is the only way to get that so-called desirable product.
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The great thing is, that there is also a not-insignificant portion of the playerbase for which canon is exactly what they want it to be.
Headcanon isn't canon. And we're all aware that we can make up whatever we want at our own gaming tables. Completely beside the point.
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Saw a pic of CGL at a Con in Louisville (GAMA Expo 2024), with these on a table of SR stuff. Does anyone know What they are? :huh: They look like catalogs, but could be nothing more than empty folders also, I guess? Or folders with info about various CGL products?
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They were shown off in the GAMA walkthrough video that was posted, this link is timestamped to when Rem goes through one:
https://youtu.be/If6W8jm_TQk?si=9ILe10AiWGUp3MbT&t=92
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400,000 salvage boxes is a staggering number, regardless of which ones they are.
It's all those Blood Asps I ordered :cool: :evil:
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They were shown off in the GAMA walkthrough video that was posted, this link is timestamped to when Rem goes through one:
https://youtu.be/If6W8jm_TQk?si=9ILe10AiWGUp3MbT&t=92
Cool, but bummer that it's a "Store Only" sort of thing. :sad:
I mean, it's NEAT, but I know I'd put it away and it would gather dust. But I'd still like to get one! :grin:
Thanks for the link though! :smilie_happy_thumbup: :drinking01:
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It's all those Blood Asps I ordered :cool: :evil:
Well, it's not like you "needed" either BOTH lungs or BOTH kidneys, right? Between the sales of them and all but your last pint of blood, I'm sure the 2nd mortgage on your house helped pay for them all. :smilie_happy_thumbup:
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I mean, no offense, but I don't think people need to be told not to buy a product they don't like or want.
Read the thread. Several people here have given detailed answers to why it matters to them.
Unfortunately, as is often the case on this forum, people tend to end up talking at each other instead of to each other, because they all have an opinion and they all think theirs is the "correct" one. This is just the latest example of it, unfortunately. Lots of missing or flat-out ignoring people's answers and lots of borderline condescension. And over a meme, at that.
I wish we could do better than this, but alas.
I’m not trying to be condescending, so if I came across that way, I apologize. But I do think that people are making a bigger deal out of this than it warrants. I wouldn’t expect every product that a company makes to appeal to me. I certainly don’t expect them to add disclaimers to their advertising.
However, we’ve treaded back into the he-said, she-said arguments that we were warned about a couple of pages ago, so I will bow out here.
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Joking aside, It's true, I can take or Leave Clans, and prefer the innersphere....still can't understand why 100+ years later in-game time, the IS has NOT fully adopted the superior Clan tech...
Automobiles have been around for like 150 and there are still people using horse drawn wagons.
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Was anyone planning on using an Urbanmech in a tournament? Or a LAM?.
Sorry that sounds like a challenge :grin:
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Does canonicity even matter? It’s not “official”, so you can’t use it in a tournament. Was anyone planning on using an Urbanmech in a tournament? Or a LAM? If someone wants to claim that it’s part of “their” universe, and use it in their local gaming group, then that’s their prerogative.
For a war game absolutely.
In a just world, I wouldn't have to stipulate "no Savannah master swarms" for every single event, there would be something in lore, or the rules to lean on. GMs can lean hard on rule 0, in a way that event or even tournament organizers cannot.
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Automobiles have been around for like 150 and there are still people using horse drawn wagons.
Much as I get the analogy, not quite the same. Cavalry (with Horses) was all the rage at the end of the 1800's, Beginning of the 1900's up to and including WWI. Once Tanks were introduced, it was bye-bye horsie-hello armored vehicles.
I'm merely pointing out, that if a military introduces a weapon that is: LIGHTER, MORE DAMAGE and has FARTHER RANGE (traits shared by 95% of clan weapons), why is the IS still 100+ years after their introduction not able to reverse engineer them?
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this space is probably not ideal for re-re-re-re-re-relitigating a universe feature
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this space is probably not ideal for re-re-re-re-re-relitigating a universe feature
I agree - and don't usually involve in these comments.
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(https://gifdb.com/images/high/beat-a-dead-horse-spank-34oeg3biu566od95.gif)
Can we please stop beating this dead horse already?
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Sorry that sounds like a challenge :grin:
Pics or it didn’t happen! :laugh:
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I was checking B&N to see if Shrapnel might have dropped early and found this instead: https://www.barnesandnoble.com/w/battletech-encounters-catalyst-game-labs/1144120564?ean=0810123692354 (https://www.barnesandnoble.com/w/battletech-encounters-catalyst-game-labs/1144120564?ean=0810123692354)
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That's part of the Kickstarter.
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...Completely beside the point.
Looked like Gladius-XC's point to me.
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
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Cool, but bummer that it's a "Store Only" sort of thing. :sad:
I mean, it's NEAT, but I know I'd put it away and it would gather dust. But I'd still like to get one! :grin:
Thanks for the link though! :smilie_happy_thumbup: :drinking01:
Rem said they were going to put it up digitally.
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Looked like Gladius-XC's point to me.
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Except it wasn't. He asked why canonicity matters to some people. The fact that it doesn't matter to a completely different section of the playerbase is a pointless response to that.
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Except it wasn't. He asked why canonicity matters to some people. The fact that it doesn't matter to a completely different section of the playerbase is a pointless response to that.
Not exactly. I asked why the canonicity of this one particular model mattered. I also enjoy canon materiel, and while I’m OK with some non-canonicity (obviously), I can understand why some aren’t. But since this is a single model, and not a particularly competitive or game-changing one, I don’t understand the vehemence against its very existence. Why not just treat it like any other head-canon that someone creates?
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Pics or it didn’t happen! :laugh:
Look…. I’m going to Adepticon in a week and if they have the Box there as a display I’ll Trial of Possession to use it in one of the games at the Con…. But I have NO experience with LAM’s so I cannot guarantee any good results!
:D
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Not exactly. I asked why the canonicity of this one particular model mattered. I also enjoy canon materiel, and while I’m OK with some non-canonicity (obviously), I can understand why some aren’t. But since this is a single model, and not a particularly competitive or game-changing one, I don’t understand the vehemence against its very existence. Why not just treat it like any other head-canon that someone creates?
And again I'll say, scroll up-thread and read the answers people have given. I think Scotty and ColBosch in particular were quite clear on this. Some people don't want to deal with people trying to bring this well-past-its-shelf-life-meme to their gaming tables (or have it show up in an otherwise good novel, etc), and it's a lot easier to say no to someone wanting to use it if it's not canon.
But I don't want to belabor the point. I get that it'll make money, and I'm blessed to not have to play with the kind of people that would bring this stupid meme to our table, so I don't have much of a horse in this race. But people have strong opinions about things, and I guess I don't really see the point in trying to debate personal taste with people. Let people feel how they want to feel.
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Some people don't want to deal with people trying to bring this well-past-its-shelf-life-meme
I'm blessed to not have to play with the kind of people that would bring this stupid meme to our table, so I don't have much of a horse in this race.
I guess I don't really see the point in trying to debate personal taste with people. Let people feel how they want to feel.
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First, some people are getting overheated and/or not helping the situation much. Calm down and be polite, or the moderation staff will be handing out warnings, folks. (Hint: Any more GIFs about dead horses? Not helping, and warnable, so knock it off.)
Second, the grousing about the UrbanMech LAM and the complaints about said grousing have gone as far as this subject needs to go. If the product isn't for you, we have many others in the catalog. If you like it, great, you're welcome to buy it. Quit bitching at each other over your opinions of this already.
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I have been super busy, but i really looking forward to the next issue of Shrapnel, hoping for some cool goodies, maybe a tech readout or two…
S.gage
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I do like the personal weapon articles, small arms only really make a difference in RP but it really adds flavor regardless.
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No offense to the fiction authors, but the things like the weapons, technical readouts and local news articles are most exciting to me in Shrapnel for the universe building aspects.
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No offense to the fiction authors, but the things like the weapons, technical readouts and local news articles are most exciting to me in Shrapnel for the universe building aspects.
No offense taken. Quite a few of us write both.
Shrapnel 15 had a story and an article from me and all in all I wrote more articles than stories over all issues. Those articles are fun to come up with and then write. They allow me to put my quirkier ideas into canon. ;)
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Personally, I want more fiction featuring Enthusiastic Sea Fox Guest Lecturer and their willingness to tell people that Clan PPCs really are magic.
I already ship them with Gullible NAIS Cadet.
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Check when the Sharpell comes out, is there any news on that topic?
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Shrapnel.
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It’s pronounced shar-PAY
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Personally, I want more fiction featuring Enthusiastic Sea Fox Guest Lecturer and their willingness to tell people that Clan PPCs really are magic.
I already ship them with Gullible NAIS Cadet.
I have many plans for our Bubbly Star Commander...
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Personally, I want more fiction featuring Enthusiastic Sea Fox Guest Lecturer and their willingness to tell people that Clan PPCs really are magic.
I already ship them with Gullible NAIS Cadet.
I'd love to read more exchanges between merc units and Sea Fox customer service... :laugh:
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Check when the Sharpell comes out, is there any news on that topic?
I just got my contract last night, so it should be soon.
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it's now on the cgl store and amazon. where's my print version, jeff
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Shoutout to the person using the elite-tier pen name Jaime Kaiju Marriage.
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A whole bunch of new Commandos and Jackalopes to test drive.
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Wonder if there is any chance of Combat Manual House Davion today?
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400,000 salvage boxes is a staggering number, regardless of which ones they are.
I think that might be more mechs then are in the Inner Sphere in 3151......
Craig
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At 3700 regiments that seems likely
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At 3700 regiments that seems likely
That is Star League at the Peak levels.
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A whole bunch of new Commandos and Jackalopes to test drive.
Not necessarily new Commandos, though. :wink:
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I appreciate the article finding more ways to cram supplies into a Union.
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I appreciate the article finding more ways to cram supplies into a Union.
Just got the book, what great way start the weekend!
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I think that might be more mechs then are in the Inner Sphere in 3151......
Craig
I STILL need to know the TOTAL number of UrbanMechs produced IRL so that way I can write some silly fiction in the Fan Forum Tribble about the ungodly number of UrbanMech Legions that the SLDF produced.
Also because I need to o ow how many IRL legions of UrbanMechs their are
Not necessarily new Commandos, though. :wink:
I actually want to try one or two of these. They look fun
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A whole bunch of new Commandos and Jackalopes to test drive.
New Jackalopes are always welcome.
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If you add up all the Mech Regiments in the 3150 book, its nowhere near the peak in 3049 and before the 1st Succession War. In the Fed Commonwealth there was 268 BM regiments, and over 500 in the IS. The 3150 biggest house was the CC at 51.
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If you add up all the Mech Regiments in the 3150 book, its nowhere near the peak in 3049 and before the 1st Succession War. In the Fed Commonwealth there was 268 BM regiments, and over 500 in the IS. The 3150 biggest house was the CC at 51.
Also a lot of those CC regiments (and everyone else's) are combined arms units. 20YU lists the AFFC as 268 mech regiments, but if you were to count as if they were mixed regiments like the Com Guard or Commonwealth Jaegers, that adds something along the lines of four more regiments per march militia and eight more regiments per RCT, so it's several times larger than even the numbers on the page suggests.
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Next paint set got spotted.
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Wait, is Rolling Thunder Tan basically Mountbatten Pink?
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Heres the color list
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War Grime.
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War Grime.
And it's SLDF Green. HMM.
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There are some lists of future pack releases going around. Not wanting to agree when I try to post them here. Next 2-3 years of planned force packs, people at Kerensky Con are saying it’s a real list.
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Paint you mechs in War Grime, so you can do War Crimes.
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Let's hope those packs are really what's planned. It would be fantastic
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Paint you mechs in War Grime, so you can do War Crimes.
It’s the color you need for getting your hands dirty.
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There are some lists of future pack releases going around. Not wanting to agree when I try to post them here. Next 2-3 years of planned force packs, people at Kerensky Con are saying it’s a real list.
It’s a spreadsheet and Randal loves spreadsheets, so there might be some truth to it!
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It’s a spreadsheet and Randal loves spreadsheets, so there might be some truth to it!
I can attest that he loves spreadsheets. Somewhere around here is the first errata document I was ever given, which covered every BattleTech product from 2001 to about mid-2008. It was, indeed, a spreadsheet.
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Sadly the forum system does not and reacts badly trying to upload pics of them.
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Sadly the forum system does not and reacts badly trying to upload pics of them.
You have to reduce the picture to max 699 bytes or image will be too big to attach to the page. You can use basic MS paint to do that.
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There's a list on Reddit, found here in r/battletech. https://www.reddit.com/r/battletech/comments/1bherwd/new_force_pack_information_from_kerenskycon/
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That's a lot of stuff...
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Someone put a new thread up for it
https://bg.battletech.com/forums/index.php?topic=84391.0
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Now, just need the Wasp, Stinger and Locust Mech-It Lube refits from Crescent Hawks Inception canonized!
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Question, is there any delay in shipping to the Agents? Because the Shrapell has not yet reached several of my acquaintances.
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Paint you mechs in War Grime, so you can do War Crimes.
I thought the Grime was evidence of the Crime? Can we get FC to check this out? :grin:
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Whew, had to take a step back, the stuff in the leaked/shared spreadsheet was really overwhelming. There's a lot of interesting stuff I saw in there.
I am glad for the Davion and Kurita faction packs. I guess they didn't want to announce them together with the matching Force manuals and Star League stuff because they were not sure when they will actually be available.
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Bryan Young was nice enough to send me a picture of my Chance Vickers entry in Legends II.
My goal was to turn, what I felt like was a wasted opportunity to create a good character, into a charakter with a background and an actual motivation.
With some time between me writing this and now reading the final entry, I feel like I managed to achieve that goal.
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That entry was a good read. I can just make out that the next page appears to be Peter Cobb, which means Iron Cheetah. :smilie_happy_thumbup:
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Some test prints
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More
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The Tian-zong looks good. I was hoping the Awesome would be a 9Q, and it is. Shame the Helios got cut off, I really want to see what they did to it.
In other news, Encounters seems to be doing really well for B&N as it's listed as a bestseller on the website.
Also, the record sheets from Shrapnel #16 are up: https://bg.battletech.com/wp-content/uploads/2024/03/Shrapnel-16-Record-Sheets.pdf (https://bg.battletech.com/wp-content/uploads/2024/03/Shrapnel-16-Record-Sheets.pdf)
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OK, new picture as I was replying. Helios is much improved. Thunderbolt is thankfully not project phoenix. Hellspawn and Thanatos look great.
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That's a nice, biffy Thanatos I spy. And a cutesy Hellspawn.
Big MAC Assault Lance is a must buy.
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Some test prints
If they just could have moved a little to the left to get more than just the left arm of the Helios in the shot... :sad:
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Best I’ve seen posted with a view of the Helios
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The Tian-zong looks good. I was hoping the Awesome would be a 9Q, and it is. ....
9Q doubles perfectly as Awesome C which makes me a happy Scorpion :laugh:
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Best I’ve seen posted with a view of the Helios
Yep. I didn't see him in the second image before I posted :huh: Will be getting one or two for my St. Ives Lancers :smilie_happy_thumbup:
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Shivanwurm, please keep sharing if you got any more! :smilie_party_cheers:
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Shivanwurm, please keep sharing if you got any more! :smilie_party_cheers:
Didn’t get to go to Kerensky. Most of this is things other people have posted of their trips on various socials.
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Prometheus?
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Didn’t get to go to Kerensky. Most of this is things other people have posted of their trips on various socials.
Well, you seem to know where to look better than most of us. Keep it up.
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Prometheus?
Looks to be.
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Last thats not a duplicate slightly to the right.
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Prometheus?
I'm thinking the one to the right of Prometheus is a Chimera? If so, it's a pretty big change.
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Argus, jumping and non jumping Starslayer, and can anyone hazarded a guess as to what variant the Black Knight is?
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I'm thinking the one to the right of Prometheus is a Chimera? If so, it's a pretty big change.
Pretty sure it's the Hellspawn.
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Oh, were these posted here yet?
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That's the first I've seen it! It looks great! :ready5:
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Liao card
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Close up
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Smaller player board. Or as it is also know, a good idea. :evil:
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About an hour until Tuesday Newsday where the agenda says they'll be talking about Kerensky Con. Will there be anything left to talk about?... :laugh:
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Whatever is announced in today's Tuesday Newsday will most likely pale in comparison to what you've shared already today. :bow:
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Found some head on shots I missed.
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Blooper
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Oh, were these posted here yet?
This looks fun! Good share.
Whatever is announced in today's Tuesday Newsday will most likely pale in comparison to what you've shared already today. :bow:
I hope somebody can do a simple computer version of the boardgame version without it having to be smacked down by the holders of the video game rights.
It's probably too much to ask, but this space is for dreaming, no?
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Have another photo but having problems posting it.
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I hope somebody can do a simple computer version of the boardgame version without it having to be smacked down by the holders of the video game rights.
Could probably be done with TripleA. It's pretty damn versitile. https://triplea-game.org/ (https://triplea-game.org/)
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Could probably be done with TripleA. It's pretty damn versitile. https://triplea-game.org/ (https://triplea-game.org/)
That's an idea. This would be fun (and different) for some of us to play against each other in between MWO, MW5, and Mega Mech matches.
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Argus, jumping and non jumping Starslayer, and can anyone hazarded a guess as to what variant the Black Knight is?
I believe it's just a repose, so a BL-6-KNT or -7.
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Oh, were these posted here yet?
Capellans get the Marauder? Oh that hurts. That REALLY hurts. :cry:
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Capellans get the Marauder? Oh that hurts. That REALLY hurts. :cry:
Everyone gets iconic Heavies except for Marik, who get Phoenix Hawks.
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In other news, Encounters seems to be doing really well for B&N as it's listed as a bestseller on the website.
Oooh, its showing as in-stock at my local B&N. I might try snagging a copy later this week after I finish getting my taxes done.
You know, as a reward for being a fiscally responsible adult.
Or as a consolation prize for suddenly being several hundred dollars poorer.
Whichever...
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Honestly, who gets what doesn't matter much to me, aside from Marauders. Liao's never done anything to deserve Marauders.
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Got it to work! Had to take a screen grab of the photo at a lower file size to get it to post.
Is that a Zahn?
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Coolant truck
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Got it to work! Had to take a screen grab of the photo at a lower file size to get it to post.
Is that a Zahn?
Over on the left by the jumping Starslayer? Maybe the coolant truck from the Second Star League Assault Lance?
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The Tian-zong looks good. I was hoping the Awesome would be a 9Q, and it is. Shame the Helios got cut off, I really want to see what they did to it.
In other news, Encounters seems to be doing really well for B&N as it's listed as a bestseller on the website.
Also, the record sheets from Shrapnel #16 are up: https://bg.battletech.com/wp-content/uploads/2024/03/Shrapnel-16-Record-Sheets.pdf (https://bg.battletech.com/wp-content/uploads/2024/03/Shrapnel-16-Record-Sheets.pdf)
It may be that the Record Sheets of the Commando this repeated appear before and after the jackpole
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The commando sheets ended up in there twice yeah
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I will have to get the magazine to see what is special about the versions and if any falls due to the Hegemony if it is made by the ATC or if something falls on us in the MUL
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none of the commandos fall to periphery lists, no
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That's good to know, so I don't think there's anything that catches my attention in the magazine enough to buy it.
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Ok, that Emperor is interesting, bridges the Primitive and the old look . . . it's chest gets even broader.
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Is it just me or is the Thunderbolts cockpit changed so people will stop painting up the hatch like it’s the glass?
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I wouldn't have been too unhappy if they did a more Phoenix styled head for the Thunderbolt. It has alot of offical art with many different heads.
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Why does the blazing inferno have it's own 3d model?
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Why does the blazing inferno have it's own 3d model?
Secret Crescent Hawks Inception lance pack.
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Secret Crescent Hawks Inception lance pack.
Also includes “Enemy Spectator” piece.
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Mech-it-lube diorama set
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Secret Crescent Hawks Inception lance pack.
TBH it would be a cool way to throw in the P-Hawk LAM… the the Crescent Hawks are fan-favorites….
But only if it includes a pre painted Grand Dragon of Takashi Kurita for the lulz
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TBH it would be a cool way to throw in the P-Hawk LAM… the the Crescent Hawks are fan-favorites….
But only if it includes a pre painted Grand Dragon of Takashi Kurita for the lulz
Even better - Tai-sa Chiun's Archer and his son in a BattleMaster.
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TBH it would be a cool way to throw in the P-Hawk LAM… the the Crescent Hawks are fan-favorites….
But only if it includes a pre painted Grand Dragon of Takashi Kurita for the lulz
I'd love to see that. Really, there's no need to include all three modes of a LAM in a mass-release pack. The AirMech mode should be enough for most folks, with the alternates perhaps available through CGL's website.
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The Davion Thud looks cool and I finally get to see a Thud with a SRM 6 I don't need to steal from another mech (hey, IWM, want my money? )
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Secret Crescent Hawks Inception lance pack.
I mean, if they want to canonize the other Crescent Hawk mods I wouldnt say no.
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Ok, that Emperor is interesting, bridges the Primitive and the old look . . . it's chest gets even broader.
I believe it's based on the artwork found on the cover of the corrected second printing of TRO: 3058 Upgrade.
https://www.sarna.net/wiki/File:3058u_cgl_2ndcorrprint.png
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The Davion This looks cool and I finally get to see a Thud with a SRM 6 I don't need to steal from another mech (hey, IWM, want my money? )
If they don't, I can give you my PayPal address! :smilie_happy_thumbup:
:grin:
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I believe it's based on the artwork found on the cover of the corrected second printing of TRO: 3058 Upgrade.
Anthony previewed it on his Patreon. He said they took Alex's 3058 and Wars of the Republic Era covers as the starting point and made only minor changes.
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Why does the blazing inferno have it's own 3d model?
Where was that pictured/posted? I did not see it anywhere I have looked.
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Where was that pictured/posted? I did not see it anywhere I have looked.
On the record sheet: https://bg.battletech.com/wp-content/uploads/2024/03/Shrapnel-16-Record-Sheets.pdf (https://bg.battletech.com/wp-content/uploads/2024/03/Shrapnel-16-Record-Sheets.pdf)
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Nice. Though I think they duplicated bunch of the record sheets.
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the commando sheets were put in twice, yeah
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Why does the blazing inferno have it's own 3d model?
That's "just" variant line art, not a new 3D model.
The Blazing Inferno (II) is the TRO entry's main model, which is why it has its own art modification. So does the Jackalope, though that is minor.
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On the record sheet: https://bg.battletech.com/wp-content/uploads/2024/03/Shrapnel-16-Record-Sheets.pdf (https://bg.battletech.com/wp-content/uploads/2024/03/Shrapnel-16-Record-Sheets.pdf)
Oh nice, we've finally got a canon record sheet for the Mechwarrior 2: Mercenaries Commando!
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New premium at Adepticon. Mad Dog Prime.
Odd choice
Pic: https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1002375455225172009/1220142397732687893/IMG_5260.jpg?ex=660ddd28&is=65fb6828&hm=46971530885c57f9694827ebe9acf464cea7cd9cf385d67f4f00393c62f453ce&
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Doesn't actually say Prime, and I can't make out enough details to tell what the weapon pods are.
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New premium at Adepticon. Mad Dog Prime.
Odd choice
Pic: https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1002375455225172009/1220142397732687893/IMG_5260.jpg?ex=660ddd28&is=65fb6828&hm=46971530885c57f9694827ebe9acf464cea7cd9cf385d67f4f00393c62f453ce&
If it is the prime, it's an old school choice. :mafiosi:
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you can see the torso, and it doesn't look like it has missile pods.
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Doesn't actually say Prime, and I can't make out enough details to tell what the weapon pods are.
The shoulders are empty . . . Looks like a C?
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Mad Dog C would be fun, too. And still old school.
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Look…. I’m going to Adepticon in a week and if they have the Box there as a display I’ll Trial of Possession to use it in one of the games at the Con…. But I have NO experience with LAM’s so I cannot guarantee any good results!
:D
Was told by the man himself, Randall Bills, sorry no can do. Can’t say I didn’t try :)
Now time to convince whoever is running Tukyiaad to let me in with a random UrbanMech
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The shoulders are empty . . . Looks like a C?
Should find out soon enough. Hope it’s a variant of some sort
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After thinking about it, I wouldn't be surprised if it was the Vulture S.
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After thinking about it, I wouldn't be surprised if it was the Vulture S.
That would be a nice foil to the Timber Wolf TC
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Saw pictures from a guy who got one. It’s the B/DD as far as we can tell. Got a Better look at the torso and and arm.
Maybe a G depending on the other arm.
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The B has two Streak 6 pods on the right torso and hands. The DD has one Streak 6 on the right torso and lacks hands. Could you make out either detail?
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The torso pods are smoothed over. I'm guessing the C.
Doesn't actually say Prime, and I can't make out enough details to tell what the weapon pods are.
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The B has two Streak 6 pods on the right torso and hands. The DD has one Streak 6 on the right torso and lacks hands. Could you make out either detail?
We just saw the back of the arm with 3 lasers and the LRMs. No other arm or opposite side.
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We just saw the back of the arm with 3 lasers and the LRMs. No other arm or opposite side.
Yeah, that would indicate either the B or DD.
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Is there a set of arms that would work for the Mad Dog III or IV as well as the Original?
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They're all three omnimechs, so probably?
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Is there a set of arms that would work for the Mad Dog III or IV as well as the Original?
3 has the chin turrets and 4 is a different body shape. None of that as far as I can see. Maybe if they have a G PPC arm but that’s as close as it gets. The MPL bundle arm looked to be in the mad dog prime/timber wolf TC vein.
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Neither of those are issues that matter to the arms.
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3 has the chin turrets and 4 is a different body shape. None of that as far as I can see. Maybe if they have a G PPC arm but that’s as close as it gets. The MPL bundle arm looked to be in the mad dog prime/timber wolf TC vein.
I am just looking at the chance they are designing a arm that would work between the 3 models, though the Mad Dog IV has arms that are closer in looks to the Savage Wolf IIRC.
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Available at Adeptacon it seems
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Premium Vulture will be nice since the Star Pack one is kind of a crappy pose. Has it been confirmed if its a Prime or not yet? Hard to tell from the pictures that have been floating around. As long as its scaled correctly I will pick up a couple of them.
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It is not a Prime. The one picture we have of the bits shows one side of the torso without missiles.
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Looks like the B maybe, found this on Discord.
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The torso racks looks like LRM-20s, and one visible arm looks twin laser barrels, so i'm thinking Prime. Do note the Rifleman and Phoenix Hawk minis were the base variants both, so this not being a variant wouldn't be out of place, though perhaps disappointing.
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Looks like the left torso is one piece with the center torso, but the right torso is not?
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Looks like the left torso is one piece with the center torso, but the right torso is not?
Both side torsos are there, connected to the center torso and both seem to be LRM20s.
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Swappable RT would allow for a prime or B/DD
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Available at Adeptacon it seems
Is that a mech-only book?
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it should have the vees from v25-33
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Might actually look into getting it, then.
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Word is no LAM packs available at Adeptacon due to being on a boat thats still in the Panama cannel.
In general it is taking 8 weeks by boat to get stuff in right now and thats a little longer than expected.
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someone get a couple garden hoses in the canal and maybe, like my he-man pool from the 80s, it will fill in 2-3 weeks
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someone get a couple garden hoses in the canal and maybe, like my he-man pool from the 80s, it will fill in 2-3 weeks
These ships are crossing the Pacific. Gonna need a couple hoses for that one.
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These ships are crossing the Pacific. Gonna need a couple hoses for that one.
Making the ocean bigger seems counterproductive for a speedy crossing.
Perhaps if we all swim out to the boats and push.
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Why oh why did they route the cargo ship past S 47° 9', W 126° 43' 47"?
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Word is no LAM packs available at Adeptacon due to being on a boat thats still in the Panama cannel.
In general it is taking 8 weeks by boat to get stuff in right now and thats a little longer than expected.
It's also got the Star League Command Lance and the two 40th Anniversary boxes according to Randall in the Adepticon livestream.
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This is what the Vulture B would look like under the pre-Kickstarter art.
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I had to ask the lady at the help desk, and she had to go into the stock room and rifle around the recently delivered boxes, but I was able to secure a copy of Encounters from B&N.
Still flipping through the rulebook and the cards, but the artwork is top notch, the tokens are nicely printed, and the dice seem to roll well. Definitely digging the simple mechanics even though my luck is traditionally at odds with anything that requires rolling dice.
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So from Randall himself: the Mad Dog Premium is a Prime variant
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So from Randall himself: the Mad Dog Premium is a Prime variant
Nothing against the mad dog, but I'm curious who was asking for that considering all the other possibilities. Maybe if they had parts for another variant, but considering I'm still waiting to hear from CS on the problems with the earlier sub-premium releases, easy pass.
I would like to see a comparison of an assembled one next to the clan heavy striker pack plastic though.
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I can't wait until it hits the webstore.
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doesn't feel much like a "premium" if it is a version you can get easily in plastic..
while there were issues with the production of the first couple premiums, at least they felt like a premium product? because they were unique variants you couldn't get any other way.
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So from Randall himself: the Mad Dog Premium is a Prime variant
Blah. I got three of them from Salvage Boxes in the Clan Invasion kickstarter. Would have been interested if it were literally any other variant.
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Blah. I got three of them from Salvage Boxes in the Clan Invasion kickstarter. Would have been interested if it were literally any other variant.
And you can literally buy the Heavy Striker Star pack in Barnes&Noble for the price of that single premium.
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doesn't feel much like a "premium" if it is a version you can get easily in plastic..
while there were issues with the production of the first couple premiums, at least they felt like a premium product? because they were unique variants you couldn't get any other way.
Weren't the rifleman and phoenix hawk premiums also duplicating mechs that were already in plastic?
Premiums in general haven't been for me (maybe if they do a premium battlemaster...) but the market seems to be there for "the same mechs, but in a higher quality"
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Premiums in general haven't been for me (maybe if they do a premium battlemaster...) but the market seems to be there for "the same mechs, but in a higher quality"
Maybe if they were magnetized, then they would have some extra value.
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The torso racks looks like LRM-20s, and one visible arm looks twin laser barrels, so i'm thinking Prime. Do note the Rifleman and Phoenix Hawk minis were the base variants both, so this not being a variant wouldn't be out of place, though perhaps disappointing.
We saw a clean side torso with no missile rack.
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Another Premium that seems like a complete wasted opportunity.
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We saw a clean side torso with no missile rack.
It was just the angle. Further pictures clearly show an LRM-20 in each torso.
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Another Premium that seems like a complete wasted opportunity.
I think this one has to be a run to sort out production issues that seem to crop up often enough. A low demand model seems the best way to sort them out. Another new mech that a lot want with issues will cost alot less to rectify than a 3rd/7th duplicate for most people/me
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I think this one has to be a run to sort out production issues that seem to crop up often enough. A low demand model seems the best way to sort them out. Another new mech that a lot want with issues will cost alot less to rectify than a 3rd/7th duplicate for most people/me
Maybe, but how many times have we thought that in response to default variants.
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I have recently built a Bulldog-era Smoke Jaguars Cluster and I'd have ****** killed someone for the ability to buy Mad Dogs individually in bulk.
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Nothing against the mad dog, but I'm curious who was asking for that considering all the other possibilities.
ME! I don't mind variants, but my mind fixated on the artwork for the primes the first time I saw them in the TROs I got as a kid, and then was further reinforced by the images in Mechwarriors 2-4. For me the Prime is THE iconic look for every Omni. But since Battletech has never been strictly WYSIWYG you can then use them for all the varients. Seeing a Mad Dog without missile pods just seems wrong to me. I personally am thrilled that this is the prime version and will be buying several, I love the Mad Dog and always want more.
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Wolverine and Mad Dog parts breakdown by Centurian99 on reddit (https://www.reddit.com/r/battletech/comments/1bkr8py/premium_vulture_and_wolverine_breakdown/):
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Can't say I know what variant that Wolverine is.
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Four arm combos, two leg combos, and they couldn't add a second SRM-6 pack for the dual-mounting variants?
Alas, cost of shipping renders these prohibitively expensive down here.
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The mirroring arms thing is a bit weird - the Eris has the same setup but no variant has the PPC in the left arm. As a left-handed person I do kinda like the idea of propogating the idea of there being variants that just swap the dominant arm, but does this mean we need record sheets for all of them like that one Nightsky that does have an arm swap in-universe?
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The swapped Eris arms are very useful for me, for my Inquisitor kitbash.
Now I just need a torso...
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Wolverine and Mad Dog parts breakdown by Centurian99 on reddit.
Can't say I know what variant that Wolverine is.
First I'd heard/seen about a Premium Wolverine. :smilie_happy_thumbup:
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The Phoenix Hawk could have used the mirrored arms so very much, instead of mechs not known for dual wielding.
Wolverine and Mad Dog parts breakdown by Centurian99 on reddit (https://www.reddit.com/r/battletech/comments/1bkr8py/premium_vulture_and_wolverine_breakdown/):
(https://preview.redd.it/s03vvip4gtpc1.png?width=960&crop=smart&auto=webp&s=d8058b1b783f4bc237a0a7a0d50b4a4ee5402f51)
Can't say I know what variant that Wolverine is.
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I'm going to stop paying attention to premium mechs for now, there is no point, as there is no rhyme nor reason behind these releases.
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Can't say I know what variant that Wolverine is.
I'm assuming that Monster Fight Club accidentally made a mold for the mirrored arms, realized the mistake and made the correct arms, and then since they had already made the mold threw the mirrored arms in with the production copies. It makes more sense then it being intentional and they have made mistakes with almost every premium mech so far.
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Any chance of CM: Davion today? :cheesy:
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Any chance of CM: Davion today? :cheesy:
Were any at Adeptacon?
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Were any at Adeptacon?
If there were no one has posted pictures, so unless Catalyst was waiting to put them out today that is a no.
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No
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Were any at Adeptacon?
There's one hidden behind Randall's beard.
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There's one hidden behind Randall's beard.
The only thing behind Randall's beard is another, larger beard.
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The only thing behind Randall's beard is another, larger beard.
Its between the two. Safest place in North America.
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Anyone played Encounters yet? I've read the rule book twice and still have...questions.
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WTH, Premium Wolverine is even more baffling when the variant-heavy IWM release exists. Would love to see any level of coordination between CGL and IWM for releases to prioritize player usefulness.
Make the dang VP-1 Viper!
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The Viper VP-1 covers my top three most wanted mechs.
Yes, my list is: 1. Viper VP-1, 2. Viper VP-1, 3. Viper VP-1.
4th? Maybe Hellcat, not sure.
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The Viper VP-1 covers my top three most wanted mechs.
Yes, my list is: 1. Viper VP-1, 2. Viper VP-1, 3. Viper VP-1.
4th? Maybe Hellcat, not sure.
It was such a cool surprise, a perfect throwback celebration moment. Totally squandered by still not having a mini available.
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Were any at Adeptacon?
Theirs one in the display case but no none for sale ATM. I’ll look in an hour or so
EDIT: Nothing today
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Might be on the boat with the LAMs and Star League pack and 40th anniversary boxes.
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Might be on the boat with the LAMs and Star League pack and 40th anniversary boxes.
Randall has confirmed that Force Manual Davion is not on that boat because it was printed in the US.
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Randall has confirmed that Force Manual Davion is not on that boat because it was printed in the US.
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RecGuide ilClan volume 2 coming out for PoD?
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Rec Guide 2 Ilclan is at Adepticon
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RecGuide ilClan volume 2 coming out for PoD?
It'll get a full retail release rather than PoD
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Its between the two. Safest place in North America.
Fort Locks.
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Anyone played Encounters yet? I've read the rule book twice and still have...questions.
Death From Above Wargaming did a full play through video:
https://youtu.be/ZNZfkHmGY44?si=LzWy4Zu0o5u5uEZ6 (https://youtu.be/ZNZfkHmGY44?si=LzWy4Zu0o5u5uEZ6)
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Anyone played Encounters yet? I've read the rule book twice and still have...questions.
I’ve done a few quick solo rounds. Most things seem pretty straightforward, albeit there are a few rules that I think I might tweak before I try introducing it to the family.
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Can’t wait to give Encounters a spin.
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Can’t wait to give Encounters a spin.
It’s a lot of fun, even if your dice rolling luck is as awful as mine. Solid production value, good implementation of a basic push-your-luck mechanic, and it’s probably the smallest Battletech related box I own.
I felt a little bad that the B&N employee had to go fishing for it in the stock room, but my impulse to acquire a shiny new thing was pretty strong when I saw it listed as available in-store.
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Anniversary cake
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Who got the real big piece?
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Anniversary cake
Lol so that’s what I ate
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Is the Anniversary cake on sale at the store yet?
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This.
Is the Anniversary cake on sale at the store yet?
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Is the Anniversary cake on sale at the store yet?
At least someone around here is asking the important questions.
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I spent the day at a con with a nice doughnut place right around the corner and two of our players got big boxes to share around. I will also take cake as a bribe
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You are operating in the correct currency
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It's a coincidence that the guy who gave me two doughnuts came second in the tournament.
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Is the Anniversary cake on sale at the store yet?
On the boat, Praise Blake.
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It’s a lot of fun, even if your dice rolling luck is as awful as mine. Solid production value, good implementation of a basic push-your-luck mechanic, and it’s probably the smallest Battletech related box I own.
I felt a little bad that the B&N employee had to go fishing for it in the stock room, but my impulse to acquire a shiny new thing was pretty strong when I saw it listed as available in-store.
My luck has never been stellar by any means, so I'm there for the beer, pretzels, and other jokes aside from the dice rolling.
At least you didn't send the worker on a wild goose chase looking for something that wasn't there. That would actually be worth feeling bad over. You handed them a successful mission plumb!
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On the boat, Praise Blake.
Test print from the Cookbook
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At least you didn't send the worker on a wild goose chase looking for something that wasn't there.
Left-handed crescent wrench? :smilie_happy_thumbup:
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Recapitulating all of the upcoming/planned new plastics (disclaimer: list and release dates subject to changes) :
Star League Command Lance (Q1 2024) - ForcePack
Orion "Kerensky" (prepainted), Atlas II, Thunder Hawk, Phoenix Hawk (1b-"Special")
UrbanMech LAM (Q1 2024) - Salvage Box
UrbanMech LAM (3 modes & jump plume)
2nd Star League Assault Lance (Q2 2024) - ForcePack
Daishi "Prometheus" (prepainted), Emperor, Helios, Argus, Coolant Truck
3rd Star League Striker Star (Q3 2024) - ForcePack
Lament (prepainted), Jackalope, Kintaro, Hammerhead (2 or II ?), Havoc, J-27 Ordnance Transport
McCarron's Armored Cavalry Assault Lance (Q3 2024, B&N exclusive) - ForcePack
Tian-Zong, Black Knight (reposed), Awesome (9Q), Starslayer (jumping)
3rd Star League Battle Star (Q4 2024) - ForcePack
Savage Wolf "Wepwawet" (prepainted), Excalibur, Wendigo, Peacekeeper, Malice, Savior Repair Vehicle
House Davion Heavy Battle Lance (2024) - ForcePack
Templar (TLR1-O), Falconer (FLC-8R), Thanatos (TNS-4S), Thunderbolt (TDR-9NAIS)
House Davion Cavalry Lance (2024) - ForcePack
Hellspawn (HSN-7D), Gunsmith (CH11-NG), Legionnaire (LGN-2D), Enforcer (ENF-5R, jumping)
House Kurita Ranger Lance (2024) - ForcePack
Venom (SDR-9K), Avatar (AV1-O), Chimera (CMA-1S), Panther (PNT-10K, jumping)
House Kurita Command Lance (2024) - ForcePack
Akuma (AKU-2XC), Shiro (SH-1V), Rokurokubi (RK-4T), Grand Dragon (DRG-10K)
Grenadier & Kanazuchi Battle Armor Platoons (2024) - Battlefield Support
4x Grenadier, 4x Kanazuchi
Wars of Reaving (Q1 2025) - ForcePack
Cephalus Prime, Septicemia E, Osteon, Satyr (Proto), Roc (Proto), Basilisk (Quad Proto), Boggart (Proto) Sprite (Proto), Hobgoblin (Proto, Premium)
Clan Wolf (Q1 2025) - ForcePack
Orion IIC, Glass Spider (Galahad), Phantom Prime, Lobo, Ice Ferret D
IlClan (Q1 2025) - ForcePack
Wulfen Prime, Amarok, Dominator, Night Wolf, Nova J
Celestials (Q2 2025) - ForcePack
Malak, Preta, Grigori, Deva, Seraph, Archangel (all Invictus configuration)
Black Wolf & Raiden Battle Armor Platoons (Q2 2025) - Battlefield Support
5x Black Wolf, 4x Fa Shih (?)
Clan Jade Falcon (Q2 2025) - ForcePack
Gyrfalcon, Eyrie, Jupiter, Shrike, Cougar (repose, variant ?)
21st Centauri Lancers (Q2 2025, B&N exclusive) - ForcePack
Shadow Cat (variant), Shockwave (SKW-2F), Stalker (STK-8S), Jade Hawk
Fortifications (Q3 2025) - Battlefield Support
4x MG Nest, 4x Light Emplacement, 4x Light Emplacement II, 4x Heavy Emplacement
House Steiner I (Q3 2025) - ForcePack
Berserker (BRZ-A3), Hollander (BZK-F3), Uziel (UZL-3S), Axman (AXM-2N, repose)
House Steiner II (Q3 2025) - ForcePack
Fafnir (FNR-5), Thunder Fox L8, Rawhide, Zeus X (ZEU-X4), Blitzkrieg (BTZ-3F, Premium)
Ares Tripod (Q4 2025) - Salvage Box ?
ARS-V1 (with variant parts for Zeus, Hera, Hades, Aphrodite & Hepahaestus configurations)
Clan Hell's Horses (Q4 2025) - ForcePack
Adder A, Doom Courser, Cygnus, Hellstar, Hellbringer E, 2x Epona Pursuit Vehicle
Clan Vehicles (Q4 2025) - Battlefield Support
2x Donar VTOL, 2x Joust Medium Tank, 2x Athena Combat Vehicle, 2x Mars Assault Vehicle
Illician Lancers (Q4 2025, B&N exclusive) - ForcePack
Scarabus (SCB-9A), Ostroc (OSR-3M, "Luciana Araya Morales"), Ostsol (OTL-9R), Ostwar
Wolf Empire (Q1 2026) - ForcePack
Warwolf, Alpha Wolf, Blood Reaper, Firestorm, Stormwolf Prime
Alyina Mercantile League (Q1 2026) - ForcePack
Ion Sparrow, Jade Phoenix, Hierofalcon, Hellcat (Hellhound II), Summoner (repose, variant ?)
Fenrir & Gnome Battle Armor Platoons (Q1 2026) - Battlefield Support
4x Fenrir, 5x Gnome
Clan Sea Fox (Q2 2026) - ForcePack
Tiburon, Solitaire, Mad Cat MkII, Regent A, Hammerhead 2 (repose, variant ?)
Clan Ghost Bear (Q2 2026) - ForcePack
Tresher, Ursus, Arcas, Guillotine IIC, Kodiak 5
Rasalhague Dominion (Q2 2026) - ForcePack
Karhu Prime, Mastodon Prime, Kontio, Bear Cub, Mongoose (MON-86)
Rogue Bear & Golem Battle Armor Platoons (Q2 2026) - Battlefield Support
5x Rogue Bear, 5x Kage (?)
Company Box ideas
4x Wasp, 4x Locust, 4x Stinger ("Bug Box")
Fox Patrol
Kit Fox, Locust, Griffin, Marauder, Quickdraw
Other designs (seen as either concept art on Anthony's Patreon and/or as line art in the RecGuides) that might be candidates for a future transition to plastic :
ASF/VTOL
Karnov, Seydlitz, Sabutai, Samurai
Vees
Hunter, Harasser Missile Platform, Striker, Goblin, Partisan
Mechs
Grand Crusader, Raijin, Fujin, Naga, Naga II, Tundra Wolf
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Surely the Raiden and Golem packs will have those rather than Fa Shih and Kage, yeah?
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Surely the Raiden and Golem packs will have those rather than Fa Shih and Kage, yeah?
That's the way they were listed in the OG spreadsheet (see Kerensky Con rumour thread), so a 50/50 chance of either the title or the contents being incorrect..
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The Fa Shih being made seems unlikely in absence of a CapCon pack. Thus i would guess the pack name is more correct than the contents. Granted it could be a CapCon pack is also planned, just wasn't in the list.
The Kage seems 50-50. The Golem (standard model) is used by CGB/RD only as is the Rogue Bear, a pack focusing entirely on one faction seems odd. Then again, the Golem has variants that are used by the Hell's Horses who are getting a force pack of their own according to the list.
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Left-handed crescent wrench? :smilie_happy_thumbup:
Send the new guy to the storage warehouse to find the brick stretcher. :smilie_character_fishing:
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I'm only passingly interested in battlefield support, but I still need that Fortifications Pack SO HARD.
Same with the Bug Box.
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That Illician Lancers could have been a purely Ost lance with the Ostscout.
And I can see I'm going to have to be patient and get singles from second hand dealers for a number of the OG Star League mechs. Still holding out hope for an Arano forcepack. :tongue:
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CGL could split the WOB pack in two and fit in some more of their signature mechs - legacy, initiate, buccaneer, gurkha, Toyama, red shift, blue flame, or vanquisher.
Still, we might see a WOB pack if the celestial pack sells like hotcakes.
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Is there any word yet on when the Gray Death Force Pack will enter regular distribution?
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Has there been confirmation on a 40th Anniversary run of the core books? I don't upgrade my dead tree collection often so there's both a need and a desire on my end. Doubly so if there's new spine art.
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Has there been confirmation on a 40th Anniversary run of the core books? I don't upgrade my dead tree collection often so there's both a need and a desire on my end. Doubly so if there's new spine art.
Total Warfare and Battlemech Manual have been confirmed as getting the 40th anniversary logo added to the cover with no change to the spine art, not other books have been mentioned as getting any changes for the 40th anniversary but it wouldn't surprise me if any that get reprints this year get the logo added to their cover.
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Is there any word yet on when the Gray Death Force Pack will enter regular distribution?
They are ~9 month exclusives iirc.
So another 2 months maybe? Idr when it dropped.
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They are ~9 month exclusives iirc.
The exclusivity period is 6 months, then it usually takes a month or two for the packs to get through distribution and to other retailers.
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Send the new guy to the storage warehouse to find the brick stretcher. :smilie_character_fishing:
But what if he finds it?
That Illician Lancers could have been a purely Ost lance with the Ostscout.
I agree that would have been better.
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My luck has never been stellar by any means, so I'm there for the beer, pretzels, and other jokes aside from the dice rolling.
At least you didn't send the worker on a wild goose chase looking for something that wasn't there. That would actually be worth feeling bad over. You handed them a successful mission plumb!
Whether something is actually in-stock seems like a crapshoot with our local B&N. I have roughly a 50/50 track record of something that’s supposed to be available actually being available.
From what I can tell, though, Encounters will be a terrific low-stress, beer and pretzels game. If I’m correctly understanding the rules as written and you have to meet a target number (rather than meet or beat) to clear an encounter card, it will be a prime source of hilarious outcomes, too, since battling Recon lances is a terrifying endeavor.
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If I’m correctly understanding the rules as written and you have to meet a target number (rather than meet or beat) to clear an encounter card
This is exactly how it's meant to work, yeah
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they have it at the closest B&N. might go pick one up to check it out and give away my kickstarter copy as a gift
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This is exactly how it's meant to work, yeah
That’s what I thought.
In which case, yeah, there is nothing scarier than drawing a Recon encounter and needing to roll a 1. Which is ironic on any number of levels…
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Wolf IlClan box . . . Wulfen, great . . . ugh, Dominator? Night Wolf?
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Such a great list. Can’t wait for all of it.
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But what if he finds it?
Makes a good story for online.
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Wolf IlClan box . . . Wulfen, great . . . ugh, Dominator? Night Wolf?
Even greater
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No, I can deal with Amorak, it was special for the IlClan Trial but the Nightwolf is a jack-of-all trades stinker that has appeared very rarely in fiction Tomahawk II would have been better as they played more of a role in the establishment of the Empire and Terran invasion. Or I will even throw SteveRestless a bone- a Woodsman! It would have been better for a Tundra Wolf or even the specialist Warwolf over the POS Dominator.
The IlClan box is a secondline star with the exception of the Wulfen.
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I do look forward to seeing how they improve the appearance of the night wolf
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No, I can deal with Amorak, it was special for the IlClan Trial but the Nightwolf is a jack-of-all trades stinker that has appeared very rarely in fiction Tomahawk II would have been better as they played more of a role in the establishment of the Empire and Terran invasion. Or I will even throw SteveRestless a bone- a Woodsman! It would have been better for a Tundra Wolf or even the specialist Warwolf over the POS Dominator.
The IlClan box is a secondline star with the exception of the Wulfen.
The Dominator has become one of their go-to mechs in the new fiction thanks to the Battle of Terra and the Wolf Dragoons. I would have also preferred a Tundra Wolf somewhere as it represents the Dark Age fiction. I think the personally think the Night Wolf is alright as a mech, but I also agree that the Tomahawk (or II) would be just as justified.
Than again I want everything in plastic mechs lol
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The Night Wolf even featured on a book cover
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That’s what I thought.
In which case, yeah, there is nothing scarier than drawing a Recon encounter and needing to roll a 1. Which is ironic on any number of levels…
If you’re early in the contract when you have a pile of dice it shouldn’t be too bad. Later on… yes. It’s tough to get a “1” on a single die, but then; getting a “7” is even worse.
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If you’re early in the contract when you have a pile of dice it shouldn’t be too bad. Later on… yes. It’s tough to get a “1” on a single die, but then; getting a “7” is even worse.
Theoretically, sure, but it’s still uniquely difficult because it needs to be a roll of 1. Any other target can be achieved by combining two dice to clear the encounter.
Obviously equipment will have an outside influence, though, so your mileage will vary.
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I got to flip through a copy of the Davion book today at the Reunification tour event and it looks so nifty! All the standard lore bits you would expect of the nation's history and all, great photos, and my personal favorite bits were the breakdowns of all the regiments, usually coming with a paint scheme, some background info, and a tech breakdown of their units. I really liked it and look forward to buying it when it is out.
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CGL could split the WOB pack in two and fit in some more of their signature mechs - legacy, initiate, buccaneer, gurkha, Toyama, red shift, blue flame, or vanquisher.
Still, we might see a WOB pack if the celestial pack sells like hotcakes.
I really hope they don't. The current pack is an instant buy, diluting the Celestials would make me skip it entirely
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I really hope they don't. The current pack is an instant buy, diluting the Celestials would make me skip it entirely
I don't think you need to worry much, if they do Celestials at all they are going to do a full box of them rather than splitting them up, which makes quite a bit of sense, given thier reputation and use in-universe. They are so reviled that they, almost uniquely in the Battletech universe wouldn't be fielded as salvage (also the need to re-engineer for non-cyborgs). And they are pretty divisive in terms of if players want them or not. So it makes a great deal of sense to keep them all in one pack where you can buy them if you want to, but skip them if you don't want them. It is FAR more likely that we get a second pack with all the other WoB mechs that AREN'T the Celestials than they split up the celestial pack.
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Worth noting that not all Manei Domini had DNI implants, and not all Celestials were fielded by the Manei Domini. The Grigori especially found its way to regular Militia formations, and the Deva's notable pilot in TRO: 3075 is regular Militia
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CGL could split the WOB pack in two and fit in some more of their signature mechs - legacy, initiate, buccaneer, gurkha, Toyama, red shift, blue flame, or vanquisher.
Still, we might see a WOB pack if the celestial pack sells like hotcakes.
I'd rather we buy lots of Celestial packs and then get a separate WoB sig-'Mech pack. I plan on building WH White Tiger for funsies w/these rather than add too many more Celestials to my 53rd SD, but I'd definitely get more Wobblies down the road for a militia or line Division force, especially with the vehicle packs in general circulation by then.
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I'd rather we buy lots of Celestial packs and then get a separate WoB sig-'Mech pack. I plan on building WH White Tiger for funsies w/these rather than add too many more Celestials to my 53rd SD, but I'd definitely get more Wobblies down the road for a militia or line Division force, especially with the vehicle packs in general circulation by then.
Agreed. I prefer to be able to buy all the Celestials in one pack, instead of having to scavenge them from different ones. That said, I hope they do more packs for the WoB, or at least recognisable enough to be associated with them, or ComStar.
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Agreed. I prefer to be able to buy all the Celestials in one pack, instead of having to scavenge them from different ones. That said, I hope they do more packs for the WoB, or at least recognisable enough to be associated with them, or ComStar.
This. A second WoB pack for the Militia would be great. Put the Toyama, Legacy, and Titan II in it. Maybe put the Shootist in it too for those who want to paint one up as Apollyon’s.
Heist08
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I plan on building WH White Tiger for funsies.
It amazes me how similar our personal tastes are even after all these years, lol. This is literally my exact plan, except it’s for my own Thuggee WH. 😂
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That Illician Lancers could have been a purely Ost lance with the Ostscout.
I thought the same thing. We're getting the Ostscout in the Merc KS IS Recon Lance, but also the Ostroc in the IS Heavy Recon Lance, while the Ostsol will be in the Mercs Box Set. Not sure of what Models though. :undecided: The only really "New" one (by the time it drops) will be the Ostwar.
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If the list says the same Im going to get at least 1 of every pack, but some I will get many more than 1 pack.
Like what is in the pack or not, I do want them all.
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It amazes me how similar our personal tastes are even after all these years, lol. This is literally my exact plan, except it’s for my own Thuggee WH. 😂
The more things on the forums change, the more they stay the same. But 100% inspired to build some Thuggee units after your WH post.
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On the off chance anyone was (still) interested in the Empires Aflame setting, the Terran Supremacy is noted as making use of the Celestial OmniMech designs (with "regular" human pilots) in that alternate timeline.
Plus, certain Word of Blake Militia units, such as the Toyama, appear in the TSDF also (for whom that 'Mech is known instead as the Odysseus),
So, if anyone wanted to take a side-step (or Misjump) to the other side of the mirror, they'd be able to paint up a Celestial box set and a would-be WoBM set in... whatever colour scheme would suit the Terran Supremacy Defense Forces.
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Since Empires Aflame is basically just "What if the SLDF didn't go on the Exodus?" I'd assume that the TSDF would just use the standard drab green that the SLDF used.
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On the off chance anyone was (still) interested in the Empires Aflame setting, the Terran Supremacy is noted as making use of the Celestial OmniMech designs (with "regular" human pilots) in that alternate timeline.
Plus, certain Word of Blake Militia units, such as the Toyama, appear in the TSDF also (for whom that 'Mech is known instead as the Odysseus),
So, if anyone wanted to take a side-step (or Misjump) to the other side of the mirror, they'd be able to paint up a Celestial box set and a would-be WoBM set in... whatever colour scheme would suit the Terran Supremacy Defense Forces.
I never considered that… I mean I personally am bad at painting and everything I have is still factory plastic grey or metal… but that’s a cool idea
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I felt a little bad that the B&N employee had to go fishing for it in the stock room, but my impulse to acquire a shiny new thing was pretty strong when I saw it listed as available in-store.
As a counter point to this, B&N was showing STRONG in Charlottesville this morning. I walked out with the Encounters box and the Alpha Strike counter set.
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My local store finally got Encounters in. They have BattleTech in a prominent place, too. It's a great time to be a fan!
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Meanwhile, the owner of the local comic book store is struggling to find Battletech products to stock. He's rather annoyed, since Beginner and AGOAC boxes have been great sellers for him.
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A couple of years ago, I never would of thought of going to B&N to get Battletech.
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A couple of years ago, I never would of thought of going to B&N to get Battletech.
I think what struck me this morning was seeing the box sets, multiple systems, miniature boxes, and paint sets grouped together on a center facing end cap. I'd seen tight Battletech displays before, but this really showed a retailer caring about the product. It was nice to see. I hope it bodes well for the future of the game.
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A couple of years ago, I never would of thought of going to B&N to get Battletech.
I remember seeing TROs there in the 90s (it was where I first saw TRO 3058), but other than that, definitely not.
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A couple of years ago, I never would of thought of going to B&N to get Battletech.
Seems like I've seen a few of the BattleCorps Anthologies there, and a few SR novels. They also had the SR rulebooks, but I hadn't seen anything from CGL other than Dragonfire for a decade or so. :sad:
Until a couple years back, with the Lance Packs of course! :grin:
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I now go to B&N for Battletech and not as many books.
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A couple of years ago, I never would of thought of going to B&N to get Battletech.
B&N and Target both. I'm excited for the future of this product, and I want to see it keep rolling forward.
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B&N and Target both. I'm excited for the future of this product, and I want to see it keep rolling forward.
We're still working on our local FLGS to stock BattleTech here in Santa Rosa. Luckily, both B&N and Target have nice displays.
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We're still working on our local FLGS to stock BattleTech here in Santa Rosa. Luckily, both B&N and Target have nice displays.
Keeping the FLGS alive is important. When you lose that, you run the risk of losing the whole RL public facing of the product should the corporate interests decide to drop the product. And we all know how corporations can make fickle decisions based on projections that may or may not be entirely accurate.
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There are four FLGS I go to in my area (Game Chest with two locations, Collector's Legion, Lost Planet and Game Hub) and of them, two of them carry BattleTech. Both Lost Planet and the two Game Chests have sections for BattleTech.
In fact the Game Chest has an every-other-Sunday game day for BattleTech (we swap Sundays with Warhammer, and they leave behind skulls and blood... you'd think they'd be more careful in constructing those thrones for Khorne :laugh:) Both I and another player gave the manager BattleTech posters he's getting framed and going to hang up in the gaming space.
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Went checking for a book for my kid to night and to see if they had the salvage boxes for some fun.
Half-dozen or so lance packs, 9 or so GoAC, Beginner Box, Alpha Strike & Clan Invasion all on a end-cap.
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Half-dozen or so lance packs, 9 or so GoAC, Beginner Box, Alpha Strike & Clan Invasion all on a end-cap.
Mine has started keeping everything on an end cap, too. I think they made the change around the time the store exclusives were announced. It’s usually some mix of the box sets, the exclusives, the paints, and the Inner Sphere Command and Battle lances. I only remember them having Salvage Boxes once or twice.
Now that the FLGS across the street from B&N has a BT section, though, I try to spread my hobby dollars between the two.
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Last Friday in March--Are we expecting any releases today? :angel:
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Last Friday in March--Are we expecting any releases today? :angel:
It's Big Friday before Easter. Probably not, as most of CGL is away on Easter holidays.
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Most of the stuff is still on a boat. So going to be longer
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Most of the stuff is still on a boat. So going to be longer
Word is Combat Manual Davion is in the warehouse as we type.
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Odd that none made to Adeptacon if that is the case. Especially when copies of Rec Guide: ilClan did, and it's listed as a summer release.
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Word is Combat Manual Davion is in the warehouse as we type.
Heard it was printed here in the states. Glad to know that and I hope it stays cost-effective.
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Is it just me or the whole concept of Clan Spaniel gives me Starfox vibes? (in terms of the character concepts) Y'know, Simmians/Primates being the main villains (commonly) and other animals being the heroes.
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Just picked it up from The Catalyst store.
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Is it just me or the whole concept of Clan Spaniel gives me Starfox vibes? (in terms of the character concepts) Y'know, Simmians/Primates being the main villains (commonly) and other animals being the heroes.
True though the formula is common enough, I didn't notice. Bucky O'Hare has a similar setup only with toads instead of apes. The plot beat also comically parallels the Battletech Animated Series only with animals.
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Battletech really does feel like touching all of our old stuff to say "We are eternal". I applaud.
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True though the formula is common enough, I didn't notice. Bucky O'Hare has a similar setup only with toads instead of apes. The plot beat also comically parallels the Battletech Animated Series only with animals.
Captain Simian and the Space Monkeys has simians for both the protagonists and antagonists, if you can't get enough apes from other sources.
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I do miss that show, Malcom McDowell's puns were stupid but fun.
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I do miss that show, Malcom McDowell's puns were stupid but fun.
Gotta get that thing fixed...
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Well it’s April 1, wonder what the April Fools joke book will be this year. I love the joke books and think they are some of the best and fun writing Battletech has.
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Well it’s April 1, wonder what the April Fools joke book will be this year. I love the joke books and think they are some of the best and fun writing Battletech has.
https://store.catalystgamelabs.com/collections/battletech-new-arrivals/products/battletech-clan-spaniel-sourcebook
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Well it’s April 1, wonder what the April Fools joke book will be this year. I love the joke books and think they are some of the best and fun writing Battletech has.
There’s a reason animated monkeys have been coming up in the chat this morning.
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Bagged it! Funny as heck. Love 404 error code art. :grin:
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Cant wait to read Clan Spaniel book.
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Captain Simian and the Space Monkeys has simians for both the protagonists and antagonists, if you can't get enough apes from other sources.
A Friend/Brother of mine (lost to Cancer Jul '23) said he LOVED that show. Used "Spacemonkey" as part of his email address for years! :grin:
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Oh good lord, they managed to use this to explain the Genecaste! :grin:
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I'll have to pick it up later this week. How long is it?
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Oh good lord, they managed to use this to explain the Genecaste! :grin:
I don't know which is more disturbing, this or the fact that a substantial political gain for the Crusaders is because of this show. :grin:
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I'll have to pick it up later this week. How long is it?
50 pages, which includes the transcript of an episode, a history of the series, and a handful of scenarios based on the characters.
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50 pages, which includes the transcript of an episode, a history of the series, and a handful of scenarios based on the characters.
Impressive for $2.
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Has Combat Manual Davion been released? Last I heard it was supposed to come out in March but I haven't seen any further word about it.
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Has Combat Force Manual Davion been released? Last I heard it was supposed to come out in March but I haven't seen any further word about it.
Not yet.
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So...did I miss it in my skim of the book, or did they miss a beat by not giving us a camo pattern for Clan Spaniel? :D
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I found new faction decals in this new sourcebook!
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You gotta think in terms of old cartoons. There is no unit scheme, each character gets their own easily recognizable scheme, so children can more easily track the action. :cool:
Even named villains get their own colors. Only nameless mook villains will get a uniform scheme.
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For a $2 book, this is superb, especially for us Clan fans that have been wanting to fill in a lot of the blanks with this particular piece of lore. And a few fun lore reveals to boot.
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Is it just me or the whole concept of Clan Spaniel gives me Starfox vibes? (in terms of the character concepts) Y'know, Simmians/Primates being the main villains (commonly) and other animals being the heroes.
Brought to you by Three Adjectives and an Animal formating.
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So...did I miss it in my skim of the book, or did they miss a beat by not giving us a camo pattern for Clan Spaniel? :D
Each 'Mech is painted to look like the animal inside. Polly's Kingfisher is orange/blue. Spot's Pouncer is white with black spots. And so on.
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Has Combat Manual Davion been released? Last I heard it was supposed to come out in March but I haven't seen any further word about it.
Its not out yet, hopefully soon. The book looks great.
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Only thing I could find that is related to this was the BattleCrop scenario came out ages ago.
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Only thing I could find that is related to this was the BattleCrop scenario came out ages ago.
We reprinted Ken' Horner's original scenario and added five more.
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For a $2 book, this is superb, especially for us Clan fans that have been wanting to fill in a lot of the blanks with this particular piece of lore. And a few fun lore reveals to boot.
Yep - with the Society, the scientist caste tried to upend the social order and came to ruin, failing to achieve their goal. The merchant caste went about their equally sincere power grab for 80 years before the warriors caught on and took control.
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So...did I miss it in my skim of the book, or did they miss a beat by not giving us a camo pattern for Clan Spaniel? :D
White with browm splotches, I'd imagine! :laugh:
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White with browm splotches, I'd imagine! :laugh:
Paint schemes are explicitly given for the 'Mechs that appear in the opening battle scene in the episode script. They're all individualized, to match the MechWarrior's fur/feather/scale coloring patterns.
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I love the effort put into April Fools products. Well done.
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Anyone grab the new novel about Alaric?
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It's actual thing? I thought it was parody cover.
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It's actual thing? I thought it was parody cover.
Sadly, just a parody cover. Hadn't seen anyone else mention it yet, so thought I'd toss a mention in thread.
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Not a joke. You can preorder this:https://www.barnesandnoble.com/w/battletech-bryan-young/1145206060?ean=2940185637722 (https://www.barnesandnoble.com/w/battletech-bryan-young/1145206060?ean=2940185637722)
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Review copy
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Not a joke. You can preorder this:https://www.barnesandnoble.com/w/battletech-bryan-young/1145206060?ean=2940185637722 (https://www.barnesandnoble.com/w/battletech-bryan-young/1145206060?ean=2940185637722)
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Is this Clan Invasion KS fiction? Probably not with the Gyrfalcon on it, but I think it needs to be noted for KS fiction going forward.
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The era logo at the bottom right is for the IlClan era. The information you seek is already on the front cover.
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Without Question also isn't kickstarter-related fiction.
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The era logo at the bottom right is for the IlClan era. The information you seek is already on the front cover.
Cool said it was not based on the mech on the front. But some things have had announcements, like the Shrapnel, w/o saying it up front.
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Uh… Shivanwurm … is that not the Kurita Combat Manual pictures?
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The Davion book looks great. The Kurita book looks great too. Cant wait for both of them to come out.
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Uh… Shivanwurm … is that not the Kurita Combat Manual pictures?
Printer Previews for Force Manual: Kurita
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Printer Previews for Force Manual: Kurita
Did that not already come out?
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Comes out after Davion
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Is this Clan Invasion KS fiction? Probably not with the Gyrfalcon on it, but I think it needs to be noted for KS fiction going forward.
It's the follow up to A Question of Survival, based on the description on Amazon and B&N.
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The Davion book looks great. The Kurita book looks great too. Cant wait for both of them to come out.
ditto, I'll be buying em for sure
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Did that not already come out?
Combat manual came out years ago. This is a new edition (Force manual) and the production values are much higher. I was planning to skip kurita due to having the old version... but this is tempting.
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Yeah, changes are really quite extensive from what we've seen so far so feeling more confident about buying it.
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I got to look through an early copy of FM: Davion on the Reunification tour, and it sold me on the line of books. Despite owning all the old BT books the new ones offer things that are not just a re-hashing of old material (I was sort of worried BT would follow the example of 40K's codex system). But worries were averted and it looks amazing, I look forward to buying all of the FMs as they come out.
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That Kurita manual looks slick! Kind of bummed we have to wait so long for the next three great houses and that we don't (at least know about) a periphery one coming. I'll definitely be picking up the Kurita one, though will be likely skipping the Davion one, as they are the only house I'm not really interested in.
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I'm more interested in a merc one. It is the PC faction, after all.
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That Kurita manual looks slick! Kind of bummed we have to wait so long for the next three great houses and that we don't (at least know about) a periphery one coming. I'll definitely be picking up the Kurita one, though will be likely skipping the Davion one, as they are the only house I'm not really interested in.
I'm not interested in the Davion one, and my Feddie player will already have a copy available, but I'm getting it anyway because of the completionist in me & also because I want this line to succeed wildly to ensure we get full factional coverage down the road.
Kurita is an insta-buy for me day one though. As is mercs, any combo of Clans that we get in a book, Marik, Liao, Periphery in any fashion, Belters, Pirates, Tetatae, and those space squid interdimensional things from that one Interstellar Players book. I'll see how I'm feeling about Steiner when we get there.
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Was there any updates on the stuff that should of been at Adepticon. The Star Leauge and Urbie Lam Pack??
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Was there any updates on the stuff that should of been at Adepticon. The Star Leauge and Urbie Lam Pack??
Last I heard it was all stuck in line at the Panama Canal. It seemed like something that would unwind in weeks, not days.
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Last I heard it was all stuck in line at the Panama Canal. It seemed like something that would unwind in weeks, not days.
Yeah thanks, that is what I heard at Adepticon. Just hoping for closer to the finish line.
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And I'm just going to keep lamenting Catalyst's continued choice of not going through a port on the West Coast (which I'm sure is because it would be considerably more expensive).
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International Shipping for shipping crates is more complicated than clicking buy on Amazon. I work entry level logistics and it is tiring that people somehow think screaming at me will somehow make a cargo ship half way on the other side of the planet go faster. This is the cost of living in a interconnected global village with ever growing demand that still heavily relies largely on 20th century transportation for goods across oceans and continents, some times you have to wait a little longer for something coming to you from the other side of the planet.
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And I'm just going to keep lamenting Catalyst's continued choice of not going through a port on the West Coast (which I'm sure is because it would be considerably more expensive).
So we could drive it to Georgia?
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So we could drive it to Georgia?
Having worked truckload shipping, I am trying not to think about how expensive it would be to move that much product by multiple trucks across the country. I'd rather take the extra few days or even weeks to save the money. We certainly cannot hold CGL or the shipper responsible for a delay due to a freak, major accident.
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assuming trucking is in conjunction with rail, yes?
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assuming trucking is in conjunction with rail, yes?
Given the state of the US rail system, that could very well take longer. Just leave the containers on the boat, we'll get them when we get them.
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So we could drive it to Georgia?
Pack mules
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Im pretty sure nobody predicted that the Panama Canal would be short on water.
That wasn't on my Battletech Problems List.
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So we could drive it to Georgia?
Well, in this alternate universe, presumably they wouldn't use a warehouse in Georgia. Not like it's going to happen either way.
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Im pretty sure nobody predicted that the Panama Canal would be short on water.
That wasn't on my Battletech Problems List.
My mind still won't process the math on how a place that's connected to TWO OCEANS is short on water. Somehow, it's Max Liao's fault.
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My mind still won't process the math on how a place that's connected to TWO OCEANS is short on water. Somehow, it's Max Liao's fault.
But most of the canal isn't directly connected to either ocean though. That's why they need locks.
Still Max Liao's fault.
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My mind still won't process the math on how a place that's connected to TWO OCEANS is short on water. Somehow, it's Max Liao's fault.
Most of the canal are lakes above sea level that use the locks as elevators;
(https://madaboutpanama.com/wp-content/uploads/Canal-from-the-side.jpg)
If the naturally land lock lakes are lower than normal, the whole system has trouble operating per normal.
but yeah, Max Liao got Cobra Commander's weather dominator or something, why not.
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Max: "It is Hanse Davion's fault!"
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My mind still won't process the math on how a place that's connected to TWO OCEANS is short on water. Somehow, it's Max Liao's fault.
The system relies on gravity to either fill or empty the locks, which releases water to the oceans. The water is normally replenished by rainfall, but they've been in a drought for the last year. Pumping the water back up to Gatun Lake isn't feasible, because it would contaminate the lake, which is used for drinking water and agriculture.
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Another Issue with the Panama Canal:
Probably doesn't help they put nanofibres across the canal and sliced a slip like so much bread - gotta be a huge mess to clean-up 3-Body Problem Spoiler
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Thanks for posting spoiler after the text.
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Thanks for posting spoiler after the text.
Where do folks prefer the 'SPOILER' info?
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Max: "It is Hanse Davion's fault!"
When in doubt, blame ComStar. They probably had something to do with it as part of some labyrinthine plan.
Or the WoBblies because Jihad. :grin:
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Pack mules
Hand it over to General Sherman, tell him Savannah needs to be captured again and that what's in the crate is his secret weapon. Easy. :grin:
More seriosuly, yeah, it is just mind-bogglingly wasteful to ship something destined for the South to California then schlep it across the continent when East Coast ports are closer. And I don't know if it would really save that much time. Patience is a virtue, and we're just gonna have to wait as the Baltimore disaster's knock-on effects for shipping shake out.
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Most of the canal are lakes above sea level that use the locks as elevators;
(https://madaboutpanama.com/wp-content/uploads/Canal-from-the-side.jpg)
If the naturally land lock lakes are lower than normal, the whole system has trouble operating per normal.
but yeah, Max Liao got Cobra Commander's weather dominator or something, why not.
....why does this look like cool 8-bit game?
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Patience is a virtue, and we're just gonna have to wait as the Baltimore disaster's knock-on effects for shipping shake out.
Living here in Baltimore, I asked about those effects the day the bridge went down. It sounds like we might be okay, according to Randall
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Living here in Baltimore, I asked about those effects the day the bridge went down. It sounds like we might be okay, according to Randall
That's good news on that front.....
Speaking as someone who used to live up in Maryland and had driven over that bridge many times, it's sobering to realize it's now gone...
Craig
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Essentials is on sale.
https://www.polygon.com/24124233/board-games-books-movies-buy-two-get-one-free-target-amazon-deal-sale
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Man, Snow Raven fans must be changing their shorts after all the art was released.
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Man, Snow Raven fans must be changing their shorts after all the art was released.
Yes please, more WARSHIPS and AEROSPACE!!!!
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Man, Snow Raven fans must be changing their shorts after all the art was released.
... did I miss something?
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... did I miss something?
Probably on the social medias or Patreon. In the future, folks, please tell us where to go to find off-site content. None of us can read minds.
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Or link it here directly, I don't follow the social media stuff.
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I think alot of art got posted during the Newsday stream with Brent Evans today.
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Which is where I am assuming it was released. I saw them on FB through Helm Memory Core talking about the ilKhan's Eyes Only.
And Raven fans, look for the emblems on mechs too. I saw a Dire Wolf plodding through I would guess Capellan wreckage. Though it was Wolf Elementals who were showing a Capellan Cataphract driver the light.
Here is one pic quick linked-
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Wonder who this might be . . .
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Kali's back, baby!
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Oh one more-
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Okay, I went and looked, and um. Doesn't look like good times ahead for the Confederation. Also, the Republic had a Faslane?
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This is a fun one
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https://www.facebook.com/share/YjACq6S8XFAujcgZ/?mibextid=WC7FNe (https://www.facebook.com/share/YjACq6S8XFAujcgZ/?mibextid=WC7FNe)
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Okay, I went and looked, and um. Doesn't look like good times ahead for the Confederation. Also, the Republic had a Faslane?
If I'm remembering correctly, the two Faslanes that survived the Jihad were semi-mothballed/permanently based at Titan to support the shipyards. If they were well maintained the Republic could probably reactivate them. It may even plug some continuity holes in Hour of the Wolf where the Republic fleet was able to perform major repairs without a yard.
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That's not a Faslane. It's a Newgrange.
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That's not a Faslane. It's a Newgrange.
But the question is, which Newgrange?
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That's not a Faslane. It's a Newgrange.
*facepalm* Of course.
But the question is, which Newgrange?
Hopefully not Erinyes...
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But the question is, which Newgrange?
Hopefully not Erinyes...
Its almost certainly the RoSS Clementia, since its last known location was in orbit of Terra and the new art has a clearly visible repair bay so it can't be the Erinyes (Since its repair bay was replaced by the mass driver).
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You know what I've really been wishing for of late? That we could get some of the awesome art that's been released in the past few years as desktop wallpapers...
Okay, I went and looked, and um. Doesn't look like good times ahead for the Confederation. Also, the Republic had a Faslane?
As a Capellan fan, always knew the other shoe was gonna drop at some point. All I ask is let it be glorious. :D
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Wonder who this might be . . .
That's Danai, unless you were asking rhetorically. :laugh:
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As a Capellan fan, always knew the other shoe was gonna drop at some point. All I ask is let it be glorious. :D
That's the natural circle of BT history: sometimes your faction is the boot, sometimes the face.
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What's the matter Alaric? Being First Lord not all it was cracked up to be :grin:
Edit: image was too big and I've no idea how to shrink it so here's the link
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Save it and upload as an attachment.
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Thanks ANS Kamas P81 :smiley:
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What's the matter Alaric? Being First Lord not all it was cracked up to be :grin:
Edit: image was too big and I've no idea how to shrink it so here's the link
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Or..use the IMG insert and change from:
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Keeps original size and people can click on it to get bigger view
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Is that Alaric? That guy looks little different.
Republic did also have Faslane Yardships in mothballs, the Mercy was the Newgarge they inherited, but neither the survivors Faslanes or Newgarge have not been mentioned since FM:3085.
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Is that one picture the Cappellans Warship against the Combines?
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Is that one picture the Cappellans Warship against the Combines?
Yep, because that's a Feng Huang the Combine is fighting.
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Yep, because that's a Feng Huang the Combine is fighting.
That sure is, cant wait to see more Aerospace and Warship photos.
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That sure is, cant wait to see more Aerospace and Warship photos.
I could not possibly agree more. That piece of the Raven fleet glassing a presumably Capellan planet got this Raven fan all kinds of giddy. This art dump has done more to get me stoked for IKEO than literally anything else to date.
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Yep, because that's a Feng Huang the Combine is fighting.
Not a battle I'd have imagined prior to Grey Watch, but I'm here to see how this unfolds.
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Not a battle I'd have imagined prior to Grey Watch, but I'm here to see how this unfolds.
I guess misunderstandings grew after the Northwind breakdown in communications. I wager there spy in there, why HELL would use last of your most expensive assets duke it out with former ally, when you have far more dangerous Clans lurking about with semi-health amount of Warships?
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I guess misunderstandings grew after the Northwind breakdown in communications. I wager there spy in there, why HELL would use last of your most expensive assets duke it out with former ally, when you have far more dangerous Clans lurking about with semi-health amount of Warships?
The MAC potentially heading into Combine employ probably isn't going to smooth relations either.
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Yep, because that's a Feng Huang the Combine is fighting.
Hey all--I'm a no social media type. Can someone link the photo of this in a way I can see it? Capellans fighting the DCA is the best news I've heard since reading Dominions Divided! :grin:
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I guess misunderstandings grew after the Northwind breakdown in communications. I wager there spy in there, why HELL would use last of your most expensive assets duke it out with former ally, when you have far more dangerous Clans lurking about with semi-health amount of Warships?
I don't think Daoshen throwing the entire Combine joint-coordination/embassy staff out of the Confederation following CLARITY turning into a debacle did anything to help coordination or fixing any misunderstandings.
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Hey all--I'm a no social media type. Can someone link the photo of this in a way I can see it? Capellans fighting the DCA is the best news I've heard since reading Dominions Divided! :grin:
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I don't think Daoshen throwing the entire Combine joint-coordination/embassy staff out of the Confederation following CLARITY turning into a debacle did anything to help coordination or fixing any misunderstandings.
It probably didn't, but I suspect this has little to do with what happened on Northwind and everything to do with the Big MAC entering the Combine's employ, as the artwork in Dominions Divided alluded to/foreshadowed. Daoshen has been hyper-focused on Terra, and Yori didn't seem to be particularly inclined to escalate that particular conflict from what I can remember reading in Damocles Sanction. But the Big MAC deserting for another realm? That's something that Daoshen can't abide, not with his psychological profile.
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The Dire Wolf
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A nice looking Warwolf
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Mad Cats in loincloths
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Wow, what a pic!
So that is the DCA engaging a Feng Huang with a warship that I can't identify! Looking forward to reading about it when ilKhan's Eyes Only comes out!
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It's a Kyushu, which means it's the Draconis Rift
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It's a Kyushu, which means it's the Draconis Rift
Thank you sir! While I have nothing against warships in general, per se, I hope these two take inspiration from the Federated Suns Navy and ram each other into oblivion. /maniacal giggle
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The later the next WarShip ram, the better. Ideally never. Almost every ram depicted in the fiction has been a gross insult to the intelligence of the fans.
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It probably didn't, but I suspect this has little to do with what happened on Northwind and everything to do with the Big MAC entering the Combine's employ, as the artwork in Dominions Divided alluded to/foreshadowed. Daoshen has been hyper-focused on Terra, and Yori didn't seem to be particularly inclined to escalate that particular conflict from what I can remember reading in Damocles Sanction. But the Big MAC deserting for another realm? That's something that Daoshen can't abide, not with his psychological profile.
Yeah, I don't think Northwind is the cause of it (you can use plausible deniability to say a field commander made a poor decision) nearly as much as the MAC situation. But GWP is where I definitely started thinking about a CCAF v DCMS throwdown.
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Mad Cats in loincloths
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Look at the placement of the banners. They aren't around the waist, but under the cockpits. They're not loincloths... they're bibs. Clearly they're waiting for Alaric to finish so they can go enjoy some ribs.
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Mad Cats in loincloths
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I apologize in advance, but those look like bibs to me. “I don’t care if you don’t like them. You need to eat all of your urbanmechs before you get any ice cream.”
Edit: Tessa beat me to it!
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Look at the placement of the banners. They aren't around the waist, but under the cockpits. They're not loincloths... they're bibs. Clearly they're waiting for Alaric to finish so they can go enjoy some ribs.
Is it Mc-il-Rib season again?
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Is it Mc-il-Rib season again?
I figured it was because they were going to invade the Concordat.
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The Dire Wolf
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Bridge looking nicely unarmored there. Glad to see that even the Wolves fail to learn once in a while.
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Given the "flying skyscraper" design practicality, that's odds on the skylight for the hydroponic garden. :wink: If that were the bridge, everyone would have to crane their heads back to look through it.
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Nice seeing the S. Soyuz looking good, even if its not a great ship.
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Bridge looking nicely unarmored there. Glad to see that even the Wolves fail to learn once in a while.
Most of sci-fi has that problem.
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Wow, their going town giving us spoiler art. :shocked:
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That sure is, cant wait to see more Aerospace and Warship photos.
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Nice seeing the S. Soyuz looking good, even if its not a great ship.
When there's few around even the bad ones are good :wink:
Cool artwork
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I did not see that Visigoth… that’s beautiful
As is a LOT of that artwork.
And yeah the fight between the DCA and CCAF should be SOOOO lopsided with 123 fighters on that Feng Huang.
I need that book now lol
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Who are the Ravens fighting in that big pic? I only recognize the Raven Alliance symbols.....
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Who are the Ravens fighting in that big pic? I only recognize the Raven Alliance symbols.....
I’d assume Liao (green) because the only other ships in there are green and blue (blue being Raven fighters?) unless those are AFFS ships… but I don’t think so
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For the Liao fans:
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The Clan SLDF versus the Capellans. I both love and hate that my two favorite groups of factions are fighting. Make them stop, mom!
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And we're not expecting ilKhan's Eyes Only for ages, right?
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And we're not expecting ilKhan's Eyes Only for ages, right?
Release date has been announced as November 2024
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I apologize in advance, but those look like bibs to me. “I don’t care if you don’t like them. You need to eat all of your urbanmechs before you get any ice cream.”
Edit: Tessa beat me to it!
What's the context for all these? Are they drafts? Some of them look great, but this one in particular is a cool subject but the actual art looks terrible. I've liked the faux-painterly style of the new sourcebook art previously, but there's something about this one that looks like touched up AI art with nonsense brushstrokes and uncanny. It looks off.
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Small thumbnails of prefinal draft art were shared on the Tuesday Newsday livestream, screengrabbed and AI upscaled, thus explaining the quality degradation.
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Does anyone recognize the insignia on the green Shilones?
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Does anyone recognize the insignia on the green Shilones?
https://www.sarna.net/wiki/Dynasty_Guard
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Small thumbnails of prefinal draft art were shared on the Tuesday Newsday livestream, screengrabbed and AI upscaled, thus explaining the quality degradation.
Well, that explains it.
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Small thumbnails of prefinal draft art were shared on the Tuesday Newsday livestream, screengrabbed and AI upscaled, thus explaining the quality degradation.
Speaking of, I can't find the replay of this week's Tuesday Newsday, has it been taken down?
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https://www.sarna.net/wiki/Dynasty_Guard
Thanks! :smilie_happy_thumbup:
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Speaking of, I can't find the replay of this week's Tuesday Newsday, has it been taken down?
It's been marked as 'Private'.
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It's been marked as 'Private'.
I suspect CGL didn't expect thumb nails to be made into full blown pictures using upscaling with AI.
Hell I won't have though you'd been able do it. Technology marches on. Not sure How I think about new style art coming out thou.
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It's been marked as 'Private'.
Bugger. Was there anything of note apart from all this art?
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Is that Alaric? That guy looks little different.
To the surprise of nobody other than Alaric, being the Boss of Everyone takes a heavy toll on even the most chiseled of vat grown features.
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Presumably the Aleisha Kris, which I think is the Cappelan Navy's last Warship, unless more warships have been produced, which would make me happy, but seems unlikely.
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Presumably the Aleisha Kris, which I think is the Cappelan Navy's last Warship, unless more warships have been produced, which would make me happy, but seems unlikely.
There have actually been sparse references to a few new WarShips being built, but you're probably right that it's unlikely, at the very least until Catalyst figures out what they want to do with Aerospace.
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I think alot of art got posted during the Newsday stream with Brent Evans today.
I find the Newsday Streams extremely frustrating.
Packaging all the BT related stuff with other CGL stuff, but then not breaking it out on the IP specific socials has made it harder to follow along.
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I'm not happy that the ravens are breaking out the ortillery, but at least they leave their corner
Wonder how the OWA are taking it.
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I'm not happy that the ravens are breaking out the ortillery, but at least they leave their corner
Wonder how the OWA are taking it.
Probably fine. It's not like the AFFS or DCMS are in any shape to invade. Speaking of which, I wonder if Alaric plans on going after the Suns or Combine next after he's done with the Confederation? I doubt either could muster enough of an army to hold him off.
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Probably fine. It's not like the AFFS or DCMS are in any shape to invade. Speaking of which, I wonder if Alaric plans on going after the Suns or Combine next after he's done with the Confederation? I doubt either could muster enough of an army to hold him off.
If he has any sense, he'll reassert control over the Empire he abandoned before going to look for more fights to start. So once he's got the space around Terra stable the next likely move will probably be back into Lyran space to show the flag and make sure Othar (GENTLEMAN MECHWARRIOR) is fully onside. After that, maybe a trip up to what used to be the Falcon OZ to spread the Good News of Malvina's demise and Stephanie Chistu's ascension to those falcons that had been left behind (room for confrontations with the minor powers there, maybe a showdown with the Hell's Horses).
Then maybe focus on making sure the Lyrans know where they stand in the New Order.
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The latest Newsday stream is now available.
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I'm guessing CapCon never stopped pushing towards Terra. The goal of the campaign was to reclaim the former worlds lost in previous wars (and gain a few new one) and I doubt the fall of the Republic would do anything other than encourage them to keep going. I did have CapCon vs the Clans on my Bingo Card, I didn't have Ravens going on the offensive. The Ravens have allot of new toys so I should have, be a shame to not see them put to use.
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The art for those Mechs are great! I hope there's more of that.
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I'm guessing CapCon never stopped pushing towards Terra. The goal of the campaign was to reclaim the former worlds lost in previous wars (and gain a few new one) and I doubt the fall of the Republic would do anything other than encourage them to keep going. I did have CapCon vs the Clans on my Bingo Card, I didn't have Ravens going on the offensive. The Ravens have allot of new toys so I should have, be a shame to not see them put to use.
The worldwide event was Clans Wolf, Jade Falcon, Smoke Jaguar, and Snow Raven vs the Capellan Confederation on New Earth. It will be interesting to see how that plays out in ilKhans Eyes and beyond.
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It’s odd to me that some of the Raven machines are rocking the Raven Alliance logo and others the original Snow Raven logo. I wonder if there’s a purpose to that or if it’s just a mistake in the art.
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It’s odd to me that some of the Raven machines are rocking the Raven Alliance logo and others the original Snow Raven logo. I wonder if there’s a purpose to that or if it’s just a mistake in the art.
Raven Alliance- which could include some non-Clan? While Clan Snow Raven forces are dedicated Star League units?
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The worldwide event was Clans Wolf, Jade Falcon, Smoke Jaguar, and Snow Raven vs the Capellan Confederation on New Earth. It will be interesting to see how that plays out in ilKhans Eyes and beyond.
I do not even remember seeing a 'brief' as in the past. Did they ever release a PDF packet after the event like other times? I usually buy them.
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It’s odd to me that some of the Raven machines are rocking the Raven Alliance logo and others the original Snow Raven logo. I wonder if there’s a purpose to that or if it’s just a mistake in the art.
I was wondering about that myself.
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I do not even remember seeing a 'brief' as in the past. Did they ever release a PDF packet after the event like other times? I usually buy them.
It's been put out for public distribution, but the link is kinda just floating around. Here's a copy from the CGL Discord: WWE 2023 (https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1157414258649354272/1222933246090674299/E-CAT35WWE23_At_the_Cost_of_Bootlaces_WWE2023.pdf?ex=66213ed6&is=660ec9d6&hm=5efd61820d15969e08358a132449a588160c7f9f361841314c6f4013b9cda195&) but should work for anyone.
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What I find interesting are a few mechs(clearly newer ones), rocking Terran Hegemony insignia.
I wonder if Alaric plans to reestablish that state(with himself on top, of course), and staff a new HAF with non-Clan enlistments from those worlds, keeping the Clans as the 'Royal' element of the 3SLDF.
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I believe Arrastia said somewhere that the Terran people would have say in the new Star League. I suspect Terrans might be organized in a kind of nu-Hegemony. Might explain the emblem. Might explain how Alaric's Star League will get SLDF that isn't just the few Clans on Terra.
Of course Stone suggested Terrans will hate Alaric and the Clans, so i've no idea how Alaric would get anyone working for him. Not to mention RotS probably got everyone they could to join RAF, skeptical there will be many Terrans willing to join yet another military force.
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I mean, it'll be the third time in less than a century that Terrans have gone along with a power that conquered them and then built a nation at the core of the IS to shield them from the Houses.
Seems earthlings might have a type. :)
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Looks like the (new) SLDF Regular Army (https://bg.battletech.com/forums/index.php?topic=83429.0) is indeed showing up sooner rather than later.
At which point: I might wonder: are the "Star League" BattleMechs on the 40th anniversary box set covers (https://bg.battletech.com/books/upcoming-releases/) in fact from this iteration of the SLDF?
It does look like the Awesome on one of the covers has four PPCs - which might make it an Awesome C? (If so, perhaps the Sea Foxes acquired the blueprints from the Goliath Scorpions at some point, and later made them available for the new Regular Army to make use of.)
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On another topic - to quote from the Brush Wars blurb in the second link above:
And, like Operational Turning Point: Hanseatic Crusade, each Brush Wars release in PDF will be supported by a slate of companion PDFs, with an eye toward eventual compilation in POD format.
Might it be possible to one day reconsider providing the compilation/Print On Demand option for OTP:HC itself?
Since it appears that the Scorpion Empire is set to be featured in BattleTech Universe, such a compilation product might be useful for those Seeking (ahem) an opportunity to learn more about the events which brought the Empire into being.
And, technically-speaking, the Scorpions are now an "on-map" presence in the Inner Sphere and near Periphery, courtesy of their new holding in the Chaine Cluster - and perhaps also due to all those Seeker shopping tripsquests popping up as of late...
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I think that's just a standard 8Q Awesome. The left arm seems to be the standard mace/claw hand. It doesn't have the barrel threading of the other PPCs.
It would honestly be quite strange for the cover art of a box set to feature a mech variant that doesn't come in the box.
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There is some Ilclan universe fluff being put in the anniversary boxes. Maybe pilot/AS card updates as well? They said it’s the exact same box other than the Ilclan pamphlets so probably just to original cards?
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I would thing it very controversial that civilian caste/citizens of Terra would get any kind say. Clans are governed by a bloodnamed Warrior counsels, with exception of the Ghost Bears. Which even there showed that was weakening given the aftermath of the Ghost Bear civil war/rendering.
Why even resurrect the Terran Hegemony? Wolf Empire are progressing (until the Trial of ilClan) take chunk out both Steiner/Marik space. Only matter time once Ward and his touman turn it's forces to their home territories. You'd think that central power would be the Empire.
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Why even resurrect the Terran Hegemony?
Symbolism. Alaric is obsessed with symbolism, and the Terran Hegemony was a big part of the Star League that the Clans worship.
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That and public relations. Despite being Clan, Alaric isn't actually an idiot. He knows he'll need the willing support of at least some spheroids if he's gonna build his shiny new League.
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I would thing it very controversial that civilian caste/citizens of Terra would get any kind say. Clans are governed by a bloodnamed Warrior counsels, with exception of the Ghost Bears. Which even there showed that was weakening given the aftermath of the Ghost Bear civil war/rendering.
Why even resurrect the Terran Hegemony? Wolf Empire are progressing (until the Trial of ilClan) take chunk out both Steiner/Marik space. Only matter time once Ward and his touman turn it's forces to their home territories. You'd think that central power would be the Empire.
As said, Public opinion. If public opinion didn't matter to Alaric, then Dominions Divided would have been completely different.
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I would thing it very controversial that civilian caste/citizens of Terra would get any kind say. Clans are governed by a bloodnamed Warrior counsels, with exception of the Ghost Bears. Which even there showed that was weakening given the aftermath of the Ghost Bear civil war/rendering.
Alaric almost certainly can't impose his will and clan law on Terra immediately. He needs to win them over or he has no work force or source of supply. Remember, he threw almost his entire warrior caste at Terra and is basically cut off from the Empire.
Also, what happened to the Jade Falcons in Japan may be a potent example as to what might happen if he pushes his newly conquered population too far. Technically, he is catastrophically outnumbered by the population he now rules.
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It is worth noting that, while the Snow Ravens are the dominant power in the Raven Alliance, they saw fit to leave the office of Alliance President in place. Not least since, unlike in the Rasalhague Dominion, the Raven population for the most part keeps to its separate enclaves, leaving the bulk of the Outworlder populace to its own devices. Even the AMC still exists, with its Inner Sphere regimental organization left intact - albeit serving very much as a second-line force when compared to the Snow Raven touman.
While out in the Scorpion Empire, the rise of zarKhan Emmy Line - an ex-Hansa freeborn, now the head of the Empire's civilian government - shows that Clan Goliath Scorpion is willing to chart its own course, in terms of how it balances its military and civilian needs going forward.
So there is plenty of precedent, should Alaric (or one of his successors as ilKhan) look for ways through which to give the population of Terra a meaningful stake in the new Star League - and, by extension, to free up more of his touman's resources towards fighting his external enemies.
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In terms of logos, I think of how the Scorpions took elements from both the Imperio logo and that of the now-former Hanseatic League in order to (re-)brand the Scorpion Empire.
Similarly, perhaps Alaric (or, again, one of his successors) might brand a new Terran realm, by taking the Clan daggerstar and merging it with elements of the Republic of the Sphere logo.
Now, where might I have seen such a logo before, I wonder...
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The main page got a new announcement for the first time since Halloween: https://bg.battletech.com/news/getting-caught-up-for-without-question/ (https://bg.battletech.com/news/getting-caught-up-for-without-question/)
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If you've missed the past forty years of BattleTech fiction, there's one hell of a deal going on over at Humble Bundle.
https://www.humblebundle.com/books/battletech-fiction-collection-catalyst-game-labs-books
This includes nearly every BattleTech novel (The Sword & The Dagger, Far Country, and Star Lord excepted, plus six of the newer titles) and about 1/3 of the BattleCorps and Shrapnel anthologies. It's something like 130 novels, novellas, and collections. $30 USD is beyond a steal.
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Seems earthlings might have a type. :)
Terra definitely seems to like being at the centre of everything
Symbolism. Alaric is obsessed with symbolism, and the Terran Hegemony was a big part of the Star League that the Clans worship.
And Alaric telling the people of Earth that he wanted to redirect their greatest army and put them on top is 100% going to win many of the Terrans over
There's symbolism for the Clans in the Star League but I reckon that keeping Terra on top would win over a large amount of the population
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Symbolism. Alaric is obsessed with symbolism, and the Terran Hegemony was a big part of the Star League that the Clans worship.
Next he'll be hyphenating his name to Ward-Cameron-McKenna.
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Next he'll be hyphenating his name to Ward-Cameron-McKenna.
If it was good enough for the Roman emperors, it's good enough for Shaggy Al.
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AMA on Battletech reddit tonight
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We have any idea if there's going to be a mercs force manual?
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Yes. Like the Kurita book it will be an update to the combat manual. It’s set to be the 3rd release, end of this year or start of next.
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"The main page got a new announcement for the first time since Halloween: https://bg.battletech.com/news/getting-caught-up-for-without-question/"
Ow, twist my arm to re-read some great books, Bryan.
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They need to keep on updating that page. With the new possible products.
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AMA on Battletech reddit tonight
For those who attended, was there anything worth repeating here?
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For those who attended, was there anything worth repeating here?
I did not see any significant new news.
Perhaps the only thing was a comment about an "ROTS spiritual successor" in IKEO.
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IKEO... November might as well be 1000 light years away lol
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IKEO... November might as well be 1000 light years away lol
Worth the...wait?...travel time? Not sure what units we're measuring here. Parsecs? Fortnights?
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Worth the...wait?...travel time? Not sure what units we're measuring here. Parsecs? Fortnights?
Yes azn
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IKEO... November might as well be 1000 light years away lol
But IKEAs are much closer and have shorter times... :grin:
Craig
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"The main page got a new announcement for the first time since Halloween: https://bg.battletech.com/news/getting-caught-up-for-without-question/"
Ow, twist my arm to re-read some great books, Bryan.
I mean, that was the plan.
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Tuesday Newsday:
- The fourth Force Manual will be Invading Clans
- Aces is currently planned to be a series of Campaign Boxes, something slightly larger then a current force pack.
- They are looking at incorporating BattleTech Aces Support into the MechCommander's Handbook
- Development on Aces for Classic has begun but Ray does not know how far along it is.
- A second Ilclan Hotspots book is in planning
- Star League Command Lance and 40th anniversary boxes have reached the warehouse and are being processed.
- Liya doesn't get approval before posting factory videos
- The Colored minis on the Liya channel are for an unannounced product that will be talked about soon, do not expect it to be anything too major.
- Force Manuals are Clan Invasion era because of the success of the Clan Invasion Kickstarter.
- Ray admits to being a Pirate.
- There is supposed to be a big announcement in next weeks stream.
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Tuesday Newsday:
- The fourth Force Manual will be Invading Clans
- Aces is currently planned to be a series of Campaign Boxes, something slightly larger then a current force pack.
- They are looking at incorporating BattleTech Aces Support into the MechCommander's Handbook
- Development on Aces for Classic has begun but Ray does not know how far along it is.
- A second Ilclan Hotspots book is in planning
- Star League Command Lance and 40th anniversary boxes have reached the warehouse and are being processed.
- Liya doesn't get approval before posting factory videos
- The Colored minis on the Liya channel are for an unannounced product that will be talked about soon, do not expect it to be anything too major.
- Force Manuals are Clan Invasion era because of the success of the Clan Invasion Kickstarter.
- Ray admits to being a Pirate.
- There is supposed to be a big announcement in next weeks stream.
Thanks for the summary, Aresneo.
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Thank you very much for your updates.
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Tuesday Newsday:
- There is supposed to be a big announcement in next weeks stream.
Big announcement next week? I love surprises!
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Thanks Aresneo, that's a good update. I would wager a lot of us would have missed it (including myself).
I didn't realize the books covering various parts of the Inner Sphere were Hot Spots books, that's what series is called? That's cool it has name for them. I was in dark what heck refer the books to other than sourcebooks.
What heck is Liya?? :huh:
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What heck is Liya?? :huh:
Looks like a manufacturing company that specializes in boardgames/table top gaming.
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Thanks Aresneo, that's a good update. I would wager a lot of us would have missed it (including myself).
I didn't realize the books covering various parts of the Inner Sphere were Hot Spots books, that's what series is called? That's cool it has name for them. I was in dark what heck refer the books to other than sourcebooks.
What heck is Liya?? :huh:
Hot Spots Hinterlands is a yet unreleased book. Tamar Rising, Empire Alone, Dominikns Divided and ilKhan’s Eyes Only made not Hot Spots books.
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What heck is Liya?? :huh:
Liya International is the company that makes all of the plastic ‘Mechs we’re waiting for.
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Big announcement next week? I love surprises!
Is it a big battletech announcement or a big catalyst announcement?
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Is it a big battletech announcement or a big catalyst announcement?
Rem mentioned it would be based on Jason Hardy being on the next Newsday, so I assume it's not BattleTech related (maybe Shadowrun or other RPG announcement?).
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Rem mentioned it would be based on Jason Hardy being on the next Newsday, so I assume it's not BattleTech related (maybe Shadowrun or other RPG announcement?).
BattleRun is now the third flagship IP at Catalyst.
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BattleRun is now the third flagship IP at Catalyst.
I dare people to try and google that lol...
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double post
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BattleRun is now the third flagship IP at Catalyst.
Don't get my hopes up.
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Rem mentioned it would be based on Jason Hardy being on the next Newsday, so I assume it's not BattleTech related (maybe Shadowrun or other RPG announcement?).
He's now the uber RPG wizard and they had announced they have a license to Voltron IP. It could be that.
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Its Friday, I wonder if it will be Release Friday??
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Its Friday, I wonder if it will be Release Friday??
I keep hoping for Combat Manual Davion but recently saw it was slated for May now. Maybe something else?
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I keep hoping for Combat Manual Davion but recently saw it was slated for May now. Maybe something else?
I heard some of the stuff made it to the "warehouse" that has been stuck in shipping, let's hope.
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Praise be to international shipping? That doesn’t sound right, but whatever brings us new releases works for me!!
:cool:
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Damn I didn't realize the mugs were already sold out. Will they get restocked or is that over?
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The agenda for today's Newsday:
Join our Community & Marketing Director Rem Alternis as she chats with Catalyst's contracted crowdfunding manager Tyler!
Agenda:
Mercenaries shipping update
New Shadowrun Actual Play: World of Shadows on Six Sides of Gaming!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6JymN-jTdhw&t=0s
Friend of Catalyst, and prolific sci-fi/fantasy writer Kevin J. Anderson has a new Kickstarter launching 4/29!
https://www.backerkit.com/call_to_action/f36be54a-1ae5-4e0a-9ed7-ea316bc3209f/landing
Author Jennifer Brozek's new Kickstarter: Dear Penpal: Belgium 1980
https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/266104651/dear-penpal-belgium-1980/
Holostreets creator, Vector Tridens, launches an aerial combat minis game on Kickstarter: Exit Vector
https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/vectortridens/exit-vector-shoot-scoot-sleaze-survive?ref=discovery
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The agenda for today's Newsday:
Interested in hearing about the KS update. What time is this slated to kick off?
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What time is this slated to kick off?
4 pm Eastern, same as every week unless noted otherwise.
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Lets hope for some updates on the product that has been very delayed stuck on a ship.
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Lets hope for some updates on the product that has been very delayed stuck on a ship.
These guys got 'em, along with a shipload of L'eggs Eggs.
(https://y.yarn.co/b70cb6ba-bbfa-4672-a0a5-611debcb49c0_screenshot.jpg)
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Jesus Jones! Ah, there was a band... we all thought they were going to be the next big thing...
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Jesus Jones! Ah, there was a band... we all thought they were going to be the next big thing...
Thank you I just heard that song at a indie wrestling event, so you can have EMF and Unbelievable for that.
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Jesus Jones! Ah, there was a band... we all thought they were going to be the next big thing...
They used to say The Knack were going to be the next Beatles. My Sherona was OK and all but it’s hardly a Lennon/McCartney.
As for the pirates, let’s hope they roll snake eyes for their checks when they accost the ship carrying BT product to our hands.
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Friend of Catalyst, and prolific sci-fi/fantasy writer Kevin J. Anderson has a new Kickstarter launching 4/29!
Imagine him doing a battletech novel.
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Imagine him doing a battletech novel.
Please no . . . just no.
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Please no . . . just no.
Seconded!
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Seconded!
Thirded. Hardest of passes.
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Imagine him doing a battletech novel.
From what I recall of his Prelude to Dune, Butlerian Jihad and Star Wars novels, have to agree with the noes above.
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Saga of the Seven Suns is worth an additional seven noes.
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His novels that bad eh?
A Zack Snyder REBEL MOON kind of affair?
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His novels that bad eh?
Yes.
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His novels that bad eh?
A Zack Snyder REBEL MOON kind of affair?
Not that awful, but his writing was pretty formulaic and tended to have a lot of generic good vs evil themes, from what I can recall. Really not a good fit for the Battletech universe.
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Yeah, he's not bad... just not particurlarly good either.
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Keep in mind that there are very few BT novels that this forum will agree on as good and those few are not aging like wine.
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Until and unless a BattleTech product by that author is actually announced, please get back on topic, folks.
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Looking forward to Without Question next month
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Same here, though the ad they had for it during the Tuesday Newsday steam was amusing. I expected "Jiyi Chistu" to have more syllables, instead of sounding like "geeeeeeeeestu". :)
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For anyone who hasn't seen the ad, here it is:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xteEsHkS1o4
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Looking forward to Without Question next month
Same here, but I'm wondering what's going on with Shadow of the Dragon?
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Same here, but I'm wondering what's going on with Shadow of the Dragon?
Going through what is hopefully the final edit. Last I talked to Phil several hours ago, he was more than halfway through editing the novel. The book cover is done, as is the back copy cover. Assuming there's no hiccups, it should be out in two weeks, maybe?
Craig
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I’m pumped for the Snow Raven novel. Other than a few Shrapnel stories (which admittedly are all great, especially Ascending the Pecking Order), this will be their first real showing in a novel, and I’m so hype for it. And the WoR novels, too.
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I am hyped for all the new novels.
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Look what I found: https://store.catalystgamelabs.com/collections/battletech-new-arrivals/products/battletech-premium-miniature-vulture-mad-dog (https://store.catalystgamelabs.com/collections/battletech-new-arrivals/products/battletech-premium-miniature-vulture-mad-dog)
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Look what I found: https://store.catalystgamelabs.com/collections/battletech-new-arrivals/products/battletech-premium-miniature-vulture-mad-dog (https://store.catalystgamelabs.com/collections/battletech-new-arrivals/products/battletech-premium-miniature-vulture-mad-dog)
Hopefully more stuff inbound today.
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When I hear Premium Omnimech mini I get this crazy idea I'll be able to do at least 1 variant. The head scratching Timberwolf TC premium mini has been surpassed by the Mad Dog Prime.
Come on CGL, you can do more exciting stuff with the Premium line than this!
Thanks for the excellent Eris and Hammerhead though. Looking forward to an eventual Timberwolf A.
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Damn I didn't realize the mugs were already sold out. Will they get restocked or is that over?
I remember them mentioning in one of the con livestreams they were working on a big store restock. Mugs weren't specifically named, but I think it's a safe bet since they sold out so quickly. That's money you can smell.
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When I hear Premium Omnimech mini I get this crazy idea I'll be able to do at least 1 variant. The head scratching Timberwolf TC premium mini has been surpassed by the Mad Dog Prime.
Come on CGL, you can do more exciting stuff with the Premium line than this!
Thanks for the excellent Eris and Hammerhead though. Looking forward to an eventual Timberwolf A.
With multiple leg and arm options to create a variety of poses,
It actually says that in the description
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With multiple leg and arm options to create a variety of poses,
It actually says that in the description
Poses, but not necessarily variants. I think CGL could give a bit more info on their vision for the premium versions of already-existing minis. I believe they view them as a way for customers who have large collections to vary their poses, so not every Vulture (for example) is an identical clone. The new units are interesting units that might not have a place in a full force pack release, or so I suspect.
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With multiple leg and arm options to create a variety of poses,
It actually says that in the description
I believe it has 2 sets of legs, standing and walking. 1 set of arms.
Maybe it should of been called Limited instead of Premium.
I just expect more from a "premium" omnimech. I get alt variants with IWM.
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Glad to read about new novels on the horizon.
Snow Ravens get a bone? Surely it must be a sign of the apocalypse!!
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The Premium Miniature line is such a waste.
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Did they ever correct the scaling / size issues with the Premium Phoenix Hawk and Rifleman?
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I bought the premium vulture just cause i'm not a big fan of the pose of the regular plastic one. It is one of my favorite mechs anyway, though it is a shame they didn't at least throw in gauss arms for one of the variants. I wish they'd do the Hellbringer M as a premium figure, or a summoner variant.
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Did they ever correct the scaling / size issues with the Premium Phoenix Hawk and Rifleman?
Not that I've heard. Same goes for the other issues with the Rifleman.
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Did they ever correct the scaling / size issues with the Premium Phoenix Hawk and Rifleman?
They corrected the Premium Rifleman before they posted on the webstore, the currently available version is the same size as the BattleTech Essentials Rifleman. They said they fixed some of the problems with the Phoenix Hawk before the webstore release but I don't know the specifics.
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Nothing was changed with the Phoenix Hawk. Orders received from the second listing were confirmed identical to the first.
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Incorrect.
Plastic is on the left. 1st gen Premium is on the middle and second gen Premium on the right. There is additional mass added to the legs for the corrected release.
Nothing was changed with the Phoenix Hawk. Orders received from the second listing were confirmed identical to the first.
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Here are some Mad Dogs
First sculpt from IWM about 20+ years old.
2nd is the IWM redo.
3rd is the Catalyst sculpt.
4th is the Premium sculpt just recent.
The Premium sculpt is much larger than the other sculpts.
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Here are some Mad Dogs
First sculpt from IWM about 20+ years old.
2nd is the IWM redo.
3rd is the Catalyst sculpt.
4th is the Premium sculpt just recent.
The Premium sculpt is much larger than the other sculpts.
I don’t want to sadden you, but that first sculpt is closing in on 40 years old at this point. (~35 right now)
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And was done by Ral Partha, not IWM.
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Yeah it was a Ral Partha mech. That one actually came from the 4 mechs Omni pack. It’s I’ve been playing Battletech for 28 years so that how old it is. It is my 2nd favorite mech from the Clans behind only the Timber Wolf. Yes I liked both of them from the Cartoon show!
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I appreciate the side-by-side pics. They're actually making me come around a bit on ordering some Premium minis.
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Here are some Mad Dogs
First sculpt from IWM about 20+ years old.
2nd is the IWM redo.
3rd is the Catalyst sculpt.
4th is the Premium sculpt just recent.
The Premium sculpt is much larger than the other sculpts.
Haha WTF. Why is the Premium Vulture larger than the CGL Plastic? How is this so difficult??
As for the Phoenix Hawk, seems like the skinny limbs are fixed but the head fused to the torso is not, so any argument about the Premium minis having better detail is moot.
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Uh, maybe I made a mistake ordering that premium vulture... after seeing that. It looks off, lower part of legs too skinny, torso is huge, something is deeply off looking about it.
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Uh, maybe I made a mistake ordering that premium vulture... after seeing that. It looks off, lower part of legs too skinny, torso is huge, something is deeply off looking about it.
No, you are being mistaken now.
That premium Mad Dog is how the actual mini should really look like. The mini from the Clan force pack is the wrongly proportioned one.
The same goes for the new premium Wolverine as well.
There is nothing wrong with them, you are overthinking it.
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No, you are being mistaken now.
That premium Mad Dog is how the actual mini should really look like. The mini from the Clan force pack is the wrongly proportioned one.
The same goes for the new premium Wolverine as well.
There is nothing wrong with them, you are overthinking it.
It just looks a bit top heavy to my eyes, maybe it'll look better in person.
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Haha WTF. Why is the Premium Vulture larger than the CGL Plastic? How is this so difficult??
According to the recent AMA on reddit the premium minis don't go through the same QA review that every other mini does, hence issues only being found after release.
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According to the recent AMA on reddit the premium minis don't go through the same QA review that every other mini does, hence issues only being found after release.
Lmao. This is the kind of answer that's why CGL can't shake their image as a fly-by-night bunch of amateurs.
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It just looks a bit top heavy to my eyes, maybe it'll look better in person.
I was being sarcastic. Of course there is "something" wrong with the premium Mad Dog/Vulture. The proportions are completely messed up.
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Lmao. This is the kind of answer that's why CGL can't shake their image as a fly-by-night bunch of amateurs.
Seems like a perfectly sensible answer given the minis are produced by two different groups?
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Seems like a perfectly sensible answer given the minis are produced by two different groups?
You'd still expect a product that you are planning to sell to go through appropriate QA. There's nothing to be gained from selling a potentially defective product, and everything to be gained from making sure your product is without major flaws.
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Is it possible that the premium mini looks bigger because of the pose?
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It is larger, all parts of it.
So now what one is correct??
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Is it possible that the premium mini looks bigger because of the pose?
That’s what I thought too. Maybe the legs are extended. But the torso dimensions are larger too. So the whole thing is scaled wrong.
It’s really a bummer. The Premium line would be amazing for alternate variants. It also makes little sense that there isn’t better QA control. Are prototypes sent to CGL for review and approval before releasing? It certainly doesn’t feel that way.
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Seems like a perfectly sensible answer given the minis are produced by two different groups?
How can "we don't QA the products we release" possibly be an acceptable answer??
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It is larger, all parts of it.
So now what one is correct??
I would go with the CGL mass produced ones- same materials, same techniques, and all off the same volume calculations.
The first company doing premiums were able to get them the same size- Black Knight, Stormcrow, etc.
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I would go with the CGL mass produced ones- same materials, same techniques, and all off the same volume calculations.
The first company doing premiums were able to get them the same size- Black Knight, Stormcrow, etc.
The first company was doing traditional resin casting. Old, off the shelf technique.
Apparently they're using "dualcast" or similar for the newer ones, those are only a few year old and still under patent. They're still working out the bugs on shrinkage & proportion.
Which makes QC absolutely necessary, but that might not have been realized when the contracts were written. This isn't being done in house.
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You'd still expect a product that you are planning to sell to go through appropriate QA. There's nothing to be gained from selling a potentially defective product, and everything to be gained from making sure your product is without major flaws.
It’s not like the minis are falling apart or anything, compared to the quality of the old Battletech minis they’re still pretty good. They’re just not as good as the ones in the forcepacks.
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How can "we don't QA the products we release" possibly be an acceptable answer??
Because it’s all being done by a third party
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Because it’s all being done by a third party
The minis bear the CGL and Battletech and Topps logos. Why wouldn't CGL QA them to ensure the product positively reflects the brand? Unless CGL actually doesn't care, which doesn't make sense to me. Or maybe CGL is terrible at contract writing and left out the QA requirement...
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It’s not like the minis are falling apart or anything, compared to the quality of the old Battletech minis they’re still pretty good. They’re just not as good as the ones in the forcepacks.
Quite aside from the fact that "Premium" should absolutely be better than forcepack minis given both the branding and pricepoint, "not falling apart" is not at all the QA standard used by any company.
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Quite aside from the fact that "Premium" should absolutely be better than forcepack minis given both the branding and pricepoint, "not falling apart" is not at all the QA standard used by any company.
Technically correct in that Iron Wind Metals clearly doesn’t have that as one of their standards.
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Feels like there is a LOT of misinformation about 2019-and-onwards CGL premium and non-premium miniatures going on in this thread.
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It’s not like the minis are falling apart or anything, compared to the quality of the old Battletech minis they’re still pretty good.
What are you talking about? What does falling apart have to do anything with these premium miniatures, when they are sold unassembled?
They’re just not as good as the ones in the forcepacks.
That's the rub. They are marketed as premium, so they should be better that the regular releases. In material quality, possible posing, weapon loadouts, crisper details.
Not come with misproportioned bodies and/or limbs (Rifleman, Mad Dog, Phoenix Hawk), cost-cutting mold changes (Phoenix Hawk), miscast parts and/or details (Hammerhead, Black Knight), mirrored body part and/or weapons (Stormcrow), missing parts (Black Knight), etc.
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Im just hoping for releases this week.
It was a big letdown at Adepticon this year, but shipping is shipping.
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Im just hoping for releases this week.
It was a big letdown at Adepticon this year, but shipping is shipping.
Same… to have the Davion Manual and UrbieLAM pack sooooo close yet soooooo far was depressing (I am in no way complaining about shipping or delivery: I know it gets there when it gets there). I’d turn around from my table and there three feet away were those beautiful UrbieLAM’s. I’m sitting in a Solaris Tournament and like ‘man how fun would it be to use those!’ Attempting to Trial Catalyst members to use them in the tournament… so disappointing ;)
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Same… to have the Davion Manual and UrbieLAM pack sooooo close yet soooooo far was depressing (I am in no way complaining about shipping or delivery: I know it gets there when it gets there). I’d turn around from my table and there three feet away were those beautiful UrbieLAM’s. I’m sitting in a Solaris Tournament and like ‘man how fun would it be to use those!’ Attempting to Trial Catalyst members to use them in the tournament… so disappointing ;)
Just wait until the UrbieLAM sells out in under an hour.
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Just wait until the UrbieLAM sells out in under an hour.
That's what Im waiting on.
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Not come with misproportioned bodies and/or limbs (Rifleman, Mad Dog, Phoenix Hawk), cost-cutting mold changes (Phoenix Hawk), miscast parts and/or details (Hammerhead, Black Knight), mirrored body part and/or weapons (Stormcrow), missing parts (Black Knight), etc.
Can you provide a rollup post of these problems, with photo comparisons to illustrate the specifics? Also, did you ever find out who aside from Liya International is doing the Premiums, if Liya is doing the non-premiums?
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Also, did you ever find out who aside from Liya International is doing the Premiums, if Liya is doing the non-premiums?
Liya does the forcepacks, Monster Fight Club does the premiums.
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Can you provide a rollup post of these problems, with photo comparisons to illustrate the specifics?
Photos and discussion of all of these exist on this very forum. They were noted at the time of each mini's release.
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Here are some Mad Dogs
First sculpt from IWM about 20+ years old.
2nd is the IWM redo.
3rd is the Catalyst sculpt.
4th is the Premium sculpt just recent.
The Premium sculpt is much larger than the other sculpts.
Thanks for sharing that. The Premium sculpt doesn't look bad, but I don't think it's different enough for me to purchase one. I can pick up another forcepack and do some surgery to change up the pose some if I decide I need more Mad Dogs.
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Incorrect.
Plastic is on the left. 1st gen Premium is on the middle and second gen Premium on the right. There is additional mass added to the legs for the corrected release.
Is that your photo? I ask because the pictures of unassembled 2nd wave PH compared next to the 1st wave PH I saw back when they first shipped showed negligible change to the legs (maybe Catalyst was still shipping out the originals?) The rightmost mech looks more like an example I saw where someone shaved and glued together the legs from two different sets (my current plan if there is no resolution from Catalyst). I'm not sure what's original with the middle one since it's been modded so much.
In any case Catalyst hasn't specifically acknowledged the changes at all (saying "fixed" isn't enough when there are so many questions about the product) and I, like many others, are still waiting to hear back from support tickets submitted last year on the issue.
MFC does great work with their cyberpunk figures, so how the heck these things are having so many problems between the two companies is mind boggling. Isn't someone knowledgeable of the product line at Catalyst at least opening up a pack and looking at it?
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Yes, it is my photo. The only mods to the center mini are a change in head the added leg fins and the shoulder Cannon. Nothing else was modded on the mini.
Is that your photo? I ask because the pictures of unassembled 2nd wave PH compared next to the 1st wave PH I saw back when they first shipped showed negligible change to the legs (maybe Catalyst was still shipping out the originals?) The rightmost mech looks more like an example I saw where someone shaved and glued together the legs from two different sets (my current plan if there is no resolution from Catalyst). I'm not sure what's original with the middle one since it's been modded so much.
In any case Catalyst hasn't specifically acknowledged the changes at all (saying "fixed" isn't enough when there are so many questions about the product) and I, like many others, are still waiting to hear back from support tickets submitted last year on the issue.
MFC does great work with their cyberpunk figures, so how the heck these things are having so many problems between the two companies is mind boggling. Isn't someone knowledgeable of the product line at Catalyst at least opening up a pack and looking at it?
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If the Urbie LAMs ever come out, will there be record sheets for them??
I know there are 2 different models for them so it would be nice to have.
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If the Urbie LAMs ever come out, will there be record sheets for them??
I know there are 2 different models for them so it would be nice to have.
RS already happened I think . . .
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RS already happened I think . . .
Only for the Urbanmech lance pack that was released last year, as far as I'm aware.
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If the Urbie LAMs ever come out, will there be record sheets for them??
I know there are 2 different models for them so it would be nice to have.
From what I understand, the Urbie LAMs will not have record sheets or official rules. They are specifically non-canon and are meant as a "fun" thing for fans.
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There are Alpha Strike and pilot cards in the box, and fans have already backwards-engineered the likely BattleTech record sheets so they will be playable, just possibly not with official sources.
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Unfortunately, there element appears to be very negative about us getting a canon UrbanMech LAM. This why it's doomed to be a meme with no record sheet. We can't have nice things, not even a prototype.
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Ok thanks. I saw the model with over 30+ AS points, and figured that was a pretty good upgrade to the Urbanmech. Just wondering what that thing has so I can put it in my force. Seeing how at some point I’m going to get that box set.
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So nothing of consequence on Newsday I take it?
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So nothing of consequence on Newsday I take it?
Most of the episode was a discussion with a member of the Demo Team who's part of a team that made a game based around Drone rigging in Shadowrun on Holostreets, and are doing a universe-agnostic version on Kickstarter at the moment. The only BattleTech-related news was to hold off on paying shipping until there's a backer update sent out, and that the bits that have hit the warehouse recently are still not ready for release
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Most of the episode was a discussion with a member of the Demo Team who's part of a team that made a game based around Drone rigging in Shadowrun on Holostreets, and are doing a universe-agnostic version on Kickstarter at the moment. The only BattleTech-related news was to hold off on paying shipping until there's a backer update sent out, and that the bits that have hit the warehouse recently are still not ready for release
I'm sure some people have already jumped the gun on paying for shipping. Did they say what to do in that situation?
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Nothing last night, but they did say that anyone who paid the initial shipping costs will be refunded the difference when everything is sorted out so presumably the same holds true if there are any additional changes
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We've reached May! Anyone have a street date for Combat Manual: Davion?
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We've reached May! Anyone have a street date for Combat Manual: Davion?
"SOON" (not soon enough) according to the last 3 Tuesday news day updates.
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Well, stopped by my local comic book store today and the owner said he'd received solicitations for both the Mercenaries box set and the Leviathans sets. Obviously no actual release date yet, but it's interesting that they're in the system now.
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We've reached May! Anyone have a street date for Combat Force Manual: Davion?
Fixed that for you. :grin:
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Clan Spaniel is now available in print on demand from Amazon and DriveThruRPG for anyone who wants a physical copy to keep their old FASA Wolf and Jade Falcon sourcebooks company on the shelf.
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I know I have a long wait, but the main thing I want is IEO and the story to move forward. It has been 15 months since dominions divided.
I think the battletech universe is real,in a separate dimension, and we have to wait in real time for actual news reports to find out what is happening.
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I know I have a long wait, but the main thing I want is IEO and the story to move forward. It has been 15 months since dominions divided.
I think the battletech universe is real,in a separate dimension, and we have to wait in real time for actual news reports to find out what is happening.
Didn't John & Mike mention that the IKEO supporting novel was going to drop at GenCon this year during one of the Adepticon streams...
So like 3 more months?
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Another week and nothing new.
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Another week and nothing new.
Another month or quarter with nothing new it feels like, for a milestone year they have not had a good release year at all.
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Do you think that the simultaneous release of a few dozen products a month or so from now will make up for that?
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Do you think that the simultaneous release of a few dozen products a month or so from now will make up for that?
No, because that's later and I want stuff now! :grin:
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To that end, I'm not sure if this review (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ji04YcBGZ6U) makes it easier, or more difficult, to wait for one of the more high-profile books-on-the-way to start showing up at retail...
(Apologies if this link has been posted in another thread already.)
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No new announcements, no response to any of the issues with recently released items... crickets.
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It’s would be just nice waiting ever since Wed at Adepticon. Just kinda bummed that the stuff isn’t ready yet.
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But the wheels are turning, however slowly. Still looking forward to new product.
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Do you think that the simultaneous release of a few dozen products a month or so from now will make up for that?
I will belive it when I see it but we get kickstarter stuff in yeah great, there are still things we are owed from the last kickstarter and no update or sign of them and it seems unlikely that even half of the products announced for this year are going to make it.
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I will belive it when I see it but we get kickstarter stuff in yeah great, there are still things we are owed from the last kickstarter and no update or sign of them and it seems unlikely that even half of the products announced for this year are going to make it.
So what? I'm not being flippant here, I am seriously asking: how does it affect you if these products hit shelves later than planned?
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I will belive it when I see it but we get kickstarter stuff in yeah great, there are still things we are owed from the last kickstarter and no update or sign of them and it seems unlikely that even half of the products announced for this year are going to make it.
What are you still missing from the first kickstarter?
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What are you still missing from the first kickstarter?
Ignoring the near impossible to fix stuff like Canon Backer Characters, Den of Wolves is the most notable but also Scenario #4: Grand Melee, Scenario #5: Batchall, Expanded Military Briefing: The Clans, new chapter serial (not Shrapnel) with Backer Character appearances, and a new novella with a "Senior Backer" character in it.
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Do you think that the simultaneous release of a few dozen products a month or so from now will make up for that?
If Mercs stuff is released in a month or so, I would be a happy puppy, and who know how many others. Especially in retail.
However, based on the experience with QML pledge fulfillment during Clan Invasion kickstarter, we will see Mercs stuff in August, near to three months. It's gonna be three long months for some people.
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So what? I'm not being flippant here, I am seriously asking: how does it affect you if these products hit shelves later than planned?
It can affect people's plans to paint their miniatures. Not everyone has airbrushes and people depend on weather conditions to prime or varnish.
You know, I never asked myself why is getting late in delivering a product not looked upon with favor in an industry. Maybe there is a reason for it, I don't know.
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It can affect people's plans to paint their miniatures. Not everyone has airbrushes and people depend on weather conditions to prime or varnish.
I'm curious how far north you have to be for autumn to be that bad. At least in the notoriously-always-raining-UK (more true in the last couple of years that it's been for a while), it's not been that difficult to find a day to spray/varnish even in winter (at least in the midlands), so it's never been a concern I've had to think about seriously. (Hell, for my Dad (previous to retirement, anyway) wargaming always had emphasis more when he couldn't go out for a bike ride and whatnot in autumn/winter.) Sure, winter I can see if you are in a place where you get regular snow (we don't anymore), so like, Canada and Alaska and such I suppose must have the issue and by extension some of the north US. Scotland maybe? I genuniely am curious.
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I'm curious how far north you have to be for autumn to be that bad. At least in the notoriously-always-raining-UK (more true in the last couple of years that it's been for a while), it's not been that difficult to find a day to spray/varnish even in winter (at least in the midlands), so it's never been a concern I've had to think about seriously. (Hell, for my Dad (previous to retirement, anyway) wargaming always had emphasis more when he couldn't go out for a bike ride and whatnot in autumn/winter.) Sure, winter I can see if you are in a place where you get regular snow (we don't anymore), so like, Canada and Alaska and such I suppose must have the issue and by extension some of the north US. Scotland maybe? I genuniely am curious.
Depends. I live in Vancouver Canada, and to spray outside, by September the Rains are in (Humidity High) and temps getting low (sometimes around 8-10 C or around 50 F) so to prime outside, I need to run out, spray and run back in
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still no response from mrbooth so i'm assuming the reason was impatience
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Do we know if Jason Schmetzer writes a new BT novel?
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Do we know if Jason Schmetzer writes a new BT novel?
Rumor has it there's a sequel to Blood Will Tell in the works and I'm so here for it.
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still no response from mrbooth so i'm assuming the reason was impatience
"It can only be late once, but if it sucks, it sucks forever." A month or two late because of ongoing global shipping issues and a goof-up by a partner is no big deal. Y'all know I'l call CGL out when I think they're mis-stepping, but this isn't one of those times.
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If Catalyst going to be a bigger, better company, this stuff needs to be corrected.
Im ready to spend just give me the go.
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I'm curious how far north you have to be for autumn to be that bad. At least in the notoriously-always-raining-UK (more true in the last couple of years that it's been for a while), it's not been that difficult to find a day to spray/varnish even in winter (at least in the midlands), so it's never been a concern I've had to think about seriously. (Hell, for my Dad (previous to retirement, anyway) wargaming always had emphasis more when he couldn't go out for a bike ride and whatnot in autumn/winter.) Sure, winter I can see if you are in a place where you get regular snow (we don't anymore), so like, Canada and Alaska and such I suppose must have the issue and by extension some of the north US. Scotland maybe? I genuniely am curious.
I live in Florida. We have a handful of good days every month in the summer to prime, and then maybe like a good 3 or 4 all winter. Spring and Fall are write-offs if you spray prime, because it is just always too humid to do so. This is why I have switched completely to brush on primers. Understand that it being too dry can also cause issues, as the primer is drying before it hits the model. Too hot and too cold also impact how the primer goes onto the miniatures. So, if you live in area with wild weather variations(Florida in the US, the city of Melbourne in the Australia that experiences all 4 seasons in a single day), spray primers are just a waste.
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I live in Florida. We have a handful of good days every month in the summer to prime, and then maybe like a good 3 or 4 all winter. Spring and Fall are write-offs if you spray prime, because it is just always too humid to do so. This is why I have switched completely to brush on primers. Understand that it being too dry can also cause issues, as the primer is drying before it hits the model. Too hot and too cold also impact how the primer goes onto the miniatures. So, if you live in area with wild weather variations(Florida in the US, the city of Melbourne in the Australia that experiences all 4 seasons in a single day), spray primers are just a waste.
I don't have these kinds of difficulties. I spray prime and dullcoat outside all year round. I just check that the humidity is 60 or below first. Even in summer, it gets that low most days. Tuesday was our first day of rain for almost two months. Before that, it was entire weeks of humidity down into the 20s.
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So, if you live in area with wild weather variations(Florida in the US, the city of Melbourne in the Australia that experiences all 4 seasons in a single day), spray primers are just a waste.
I find brushing on primer relaxing, and good for my hands (fends off the incipient RSI.) Given I do battalions, you just get in the groove.
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Rumor has it there's a sequel to Blood Will Tell in the works and I'm so here for it.
Tom Leveen is writing the next Liao-centric novel, which will be set around the same time as Mike Ciaravella's Trial of Bloodright.
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still no response from mrbooth so i'm assuming the reason was impatience
Or my Niece and Nephew just came into the world and I spent the weekend with my family and didn't see the question but you keep making assumptions.
As for what's missing Cyc pretty much laid out what is still missing with no update on when to expect it.
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Rumor has it there's a sequel to Blood Will Tell in the works and I'm so here for it.
Interresting.
Do we know if another Wolf`s Dragoons novel/novella is in the pipeline?
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Interresting.
Do we know if another Wolf`s Dragoons novel/novella is in the pipeline?
Getting the one from the Clan Invasion KS first would be a solid move.
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Or my Niece and Nephew just came into the world and I spent the weekend with my family and didn't see the question but you keep making assumptions.
As for what's missing Cyc pretty much laid out what is still missing with no update on when to expect it.
thanks for the update and congratulations
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The constant mental struggle between “Logistics is hard, give some slack.” and the inner BattleTech goblin that says “Product me, product now!”
Hope that the run up to con season isn’t crushing people.
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The constant mental struggle between “Logistics is hard, give some slack.” and the inner BattleTech goblin that says “Product me, product now!”
Hope that the run up to con season isn’t crushing people.
Be happy that people want the product. Its not good when people don't want product.
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Saw ads for the mugs today on socials. The Light Horse mug in particular was a nice looking product.
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Saw ads for the mugs today on socials. The Light Horse mug in particular was a nice looking product.
The mugs I have seen in person have been nice looking products with very solid heft (the heft can be good or bad depending on your preferences)
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Or my Niece and Nephew just came into the world and I spent the weekend with my family and didn't see the question but you keep making assumptions.
As for what's missing Cyc pretty much laid out what is still missing with no update on when to expect it.
Congratulations! Forget all this nerd nonsense, new little people are amazing. And let this be a reminder to us all: we are a community. Those words on the screen were typed by a real person, with their own life, hopes, dreams, and nightmares. Nobody is an NPC. Even I sometimes forget it, and for that I apologize. We're all here for the love of the game, but we have lives beyond it.
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Looks like Friday is going to be the day of new stuff.
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Looks like Friday is going to be the day of new stuff.
Except Force Manual: Davion. Not mentioned for Friday or even within the next two weeks.
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Looks like Friday is going to be the day of new stuff.
Was there an announcement somewhere?
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Was there an announcement somewhere?
Tuesday Newsday with Talon
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Looks like Friday is going to be the day of new stuff.
Care to share what new stuff?
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Care to share what new stuff?
- 40th Anniversary Covers of Beginner's Box and A Game of Armored Combat
- Star League Command Lance
- Urbanmech LAM
- 3 new mugs
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any idea what time the store will show the new merch on Friday?
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any idea what time the store will show the new merch on Friday?
Usually its around noon PST, but the store isn't the most consistent so it might be earlier.
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Is the Star League lancepack a Catalyst exclusive or is it supposed to be general retail?
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Is the Star League lancepack a Catalyst exclusive or is it supposed to be general retail?
General release, the Urbanmech LAM is the only upcoming miniature product that has been talked about as a Catalyst Exclusive and that's because of its joke nature.
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I asked because I checked my local game store last week and they hadn't received anything from their distributor regarding it, and now it's being released this week, so I was wondering if it had changed to some sort of exclusive without fanfare.
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During the stream it sounded like the release details had only been finalized that morning, items tend to go up on the Webstore on the same day other retailers can start ordering.
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Jesus Jones! Ah, there was a band... we all thought they were going to be the next big thing...
Still going too, touring with EMF and Echobelly soon.
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Still going too, touring with EMF and Echobelly soon.
That's unbelievable
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OH!
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Its unbelievable hat Andrew Dice Clay could help that song.
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The Dice Man stamp of approval!
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Just saw somewhere that the Davion book got delayed yo June. That sucks.
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June's in like three weeks.
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Yeah, but will it show up in the beginning of June or more toward the end?
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Just saw somewhere that the Davion book got delayed yo June. That sucks.
Maybe it never made it to the warehouse?
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Yeah, but will it show up in the beginning of June or more toward the end?
That I don't know. I hadn't even heard that it was delayed. I just have a keen awareness of how far off June is, no matter what the time of year.
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That I don't know. I hadn't even heard that it was delayed. I just have a keen awareness of how far off June is, no matter what the time of year.
I understand that you don't know and don't have any means of knowing any more than the rest of us, I was trying to point out that we don't know when in June it will come.
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Maybe it never made it to the warehouse?
Oh no, that's not the issue. It's being held back because there's some confusion among kickstarter backers that it's part of the KS. So, better to just wait until after the KS is fulfilled than to argue on the internet.
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Release it on the 6th of June, please!
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Release it on the 6th of June, please!
I second this.
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Release it on the 6th of June, please!
The real question is why aren't more Battletech products released on that day?
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The real question is why aren't more Battletech products released on that day?
back when the Jihad was actively going on the 6th of june useally was the day they'd announce the next sourcebooks release date IIRC
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back when the Jihad was actively going on the 6th of june useally was the day they'd announce the next sourcebooks release date IIRC
I was wondering why CGL would wait until the anniversary of D-Day to make announcements. I blame being an old military history buff. :Blush2:
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argue on the internet.
What else is it for?
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Has the Command Lance been posted on the store? Can't find it.
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What else is it for?
There's an Avenue Q song that'll answer that for you...
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There's an Avenue Q song that'll answer that for you...
Sucks to be You?
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Sucks to be You?
No, I'm Not Wearing Underwear Today
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Has the Command Lance been posted on the store? Can't find it.
Generally new releases don't go up until closer to noon PST, so check back in around 6 hours from now.
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I was wondering why CGL would wait until the anniversary of D-Day to make announcements. I blame being an old military history buff. :Blush2:
Seeing as you are a recruit . . . It relates to the Word of Blake. The later Blakist Precentor Martial was Cameron St. Jamais, who headed up a radical sect of the Toyamas called the Sixth of June- which was when Myndo Waterly was killed. They took that as their lead and believed in killing other leaders. St. Jamais became the Precentor Martial after the previous one, Trent Arian?, was well mixed with the remains of his aide & limo. They are theorized as one of the possible actors for the assassination of Morgan Hasek-Davion during Op Serpent. They also found a fellow traveler in Kali Liao's Thuggees, and popular fan speculation/jokes are about a Kali-Cameron love child.
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Oh no, that's not the issue. It's being held back because there's some confusion among kickstarter backers that it's part of the KS. So, better to just wait until after the KS is fulfilled than to argue on the internet.
Wise choice.
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What else is it for?
Pictures of cats.
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Seeing as you are a recruit . . . It relates to the Word of Blake. The later Blakist Precentor Martial was Cameron St. Jamais, who headed up a radical sect of the Toyamas called the Sixth of June- which was when Myndo Waterly was killed.
We Blakists prefer the term martyred, thank you.
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The Star League Command Lance (https://store.catalystgamelabs.com/collections/battletech/products/battletech-star-league-command-lance) is up now, at $5 less then listed on the Coming Releases page.
The Urbanmech LAM (https://store.catalystgamelabs.com/collections/battletech/products/battletech-salvage-box-urbanmech-lam) is also up.
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and popular fan speculation/jokes are about a Kali-Cameron love child.
Is it even speculation? We know Cameron Victor exists, even if the universe at large doesn’t.
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I will be buying all the UrbanMechs. I've got heaps of Marlboro Miles and S&H Green Stamps that I've been saving for a special occasion. An entire SLDF BattleMech Division of Urbie LAMs is that occasion!
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The Star League Command Lance (https://store.catalystgamelabs.com/collections/battletech/products/battletech-star-league-command-lance) is up now, at $5 less then listed on the Coming Releases page.
The Urbanmech LAM (https://store.catalystgamelabs.com/collections/battletech/products/battletech-salvage-box-urbanmech-lam) is also up.
The 40th Anniversary AGoAC and Intro boxed sets aren't showing yet, but those probably take more work to set up on the back end. The previous editions have been removed.
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I will be buying all the UrbanMechs. I've got heaps of Marlboro Miles and S&H Green Stamps that I've been saving for a special occasion. An entire SLDF BattleMech Division of Urbie LAMs is that occasion!
That reminds me, I still have an unused code from the Essentials boxed set...
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The 40th Anniversary AGoAC and Intro boxed sets aren't showing yet, but those probably take more work to set up on the back end. The previous editions have been removed.
They (https://store.catalystgamelabs.com/collections/battletech/products/battletech-a-game-of-armored-combat) are (https://store.catalystgamelabs.com/collections/battletech/products/battletech-beginner-box) up now.
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Already ordered. All new plastic ordered.
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Already ordered. All new plastic ordered.
Same, but I held off the 40th AGoAC. I'll get it in a couple weeks, got stuff to pay for first.
Edit: Yes I ordered the Urbie LAMs, I changed my mind about them.
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I figure the Urbie Derby Collective on Solaris VII has got to field at least one of these...
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In the Urbie LAM has an updated AS Card in the box set. Does anyone know the Classic Stats for it??
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In the Urbie LAM has an updated AS Card in the box set. Does anyone know the Classic Stats for it??
I know it's been said a few times that since the Urbie LAM is non-canon, there won't be any published stats for it outside of the Alpha Strike card, but I can't find a citation for that off the cuff.
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Seeing as you are a recruit . . . It relates to the Word of Blake.
Cool! Thanks for that!
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I know it's been said a few times that since the Urbie LAM is non-canon, there won't be any published stats for it outside of the Alpha Strike card, but I can't find a citation for that off the cuff.
Similar things were said in the past concerning the Orca and Gausszilla. Many things are possible if we wait long enough. no, I have no inside information, sorry. I'm speaking as a fan only.
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Similar things were said in the past concerning the Orca and Gausszilla. Many things are possible if we wait long enough. no, I have no inside information, sorry. I'm speaking as a fan only.
The point value goes up a lot for the newer model of the Urbie LAM. Its got Dark Age era and higher eras, so its got to have some very nice upgrades.
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UNLEASH THE URBIE LAM HORDES!!!
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when do you think we will get to see the stats on the LAM?
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Anyone have one of the ballcaps? Are they exact fit or are they a stretch fit?
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Is the Urbie LAM exclusive to the Catalyst store? Or will it be a general retail release?
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It's supposed to be an exclusive.
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Anyone have one of the ballcaps? Are they exact fit or are they a stretch fit?
They are stretch fit.
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Oh no, that's not the issue. It's being held back because there's some confusion among kickstarter backers that it's part of the KS. So, better to just wait until after the KS is fulfilled than to argue on the internet.
I didn't add it to the Kickstarter only because it looked like it was delivering before hand and I didn't want to wait any longer than I had too. I loved the original books and am so happy they are coming back.
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I didn't add it to the Kickstarter only because it looked like it was delivering before hand and I didn't want to wait any longer than I had too.
Same.
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I didn't add it to the Kickstarter only because it looked like it was delivering before hand and I didn't want to wait any longer than I had too. I loved the original books and am so happy they are coming back.
Same here too. I wanted to get my hands on it before the Kickstarter arrived. Furthermore, I don’t remember reading anything that hinted it was being released with the Kickstarter. /shrug
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So how many of you who bought the Urbie LAM pack are going to paint them in the colors of your favorite Macross Valkyrie?
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So how many of you who bought the Urbie LAM pack are going to paint them in the colors of your favorite Macross Valkyrie?
I'm holding off on ordering the Urbie pack. I ordered the Star League pack instead. The two 40th anniversary boxes are my next priority, then I'll worry about the flying urbz.
I will be buying all the UrbanMechs. I've got heaps of Marlboro Miles and S&H Green Stamps that I've been saving for a special occasion.
Dude, I remember back in the 70's, my grandma bought a TV with Green Stamps. :grin:
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Duplicate post. Sorry!
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So how many of you who bought the Urbie LAM pack are going to paint them in the colors of your favorite Macross Valkyrie?
Mine's currently slated to be the Robot Prince of Auchtertool. :cool:
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So how many of you who bought the Urbie LAM pack are going to paint them in the colors of your favorite Macross Valkyrie?
Well now you've put the idea of getting 5 and doing all of Delta Platoon in my head
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I'd love to order these, but to get the LAM and SLDF force packs, it's $47 each, plus $220 shipping from the GCL store to get them to Australia.
It is just not affordable to do that, especially considering the order for the Kickstarter that I have coming for Mercs is 15 times the volume and $171 total for shipping.
It would be great of CGL could look at better shipping options for us over here, otherwise it's just far too expensive to purchase them.
Edited for spelling.
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I'd love to order these, but to get the LAM and SLDF force packs, it's $47 each, plus $220 shipping from the GCL store to get them to Australia.
I can recommend Fortress Minis (https://www.fortressminiaturesandgames.com/collections/battletech-miniatures-in-plastic-resin-cgl-1?filter.v.price.gte=&filter.v.price.lte=&sort_by=created-descending). They stock a lot of stuff from US store exclusives to the premiums and ship to Australia with not insane shipping. Bought from them many times and never had any issues. They're expecting the Urbies and Star League packs in about 1-2 weeks from their last email.
CGL have said they're looking at an Australian warehouse to alleviate shipping prices when honestly they just need to sort out the shipping from their existing warehouse. I'd rather pay a reasonable price from the US than deal with a local supplier given how infrequently stores here get restocks as is.
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So how many of you who bought the Urbie LAM pack are going to paint them in the colors of your favorite Macross Valkyrie?
I’m not doing them in any Macross: but they are apart of my UrbanMech Trinary (assigned to my IS Regiment of Mercs) along with another twelve Urbie’s. They are the core of my final battalion (alongside the mechs from the Proliferation pack) and mainly used a base defense force. NOW WITH AIR SUPPORT!
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The 40th anniversary boxes are not just a one print run correct? I would like to pick them up but with the Kickstarter coming soon would prefer to hold off till later in the year. (Sorry if this has been asked before I went a few pages back and didn't see an answer to this).
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The 40th anniversary boxes are not just a one print run correct? I would like to pick them up but with the Kickstarter coming soon would prefer to hold off till later in the year. (Sorry if this has been asked before I went a few pages back and didn't see an answer to this).
They have never been talked about as a one run change, they will probably be reprinted if there is need for more production runs of either boxes before the end of the year, otherwise the next run will likely be identical except without the 40th anniversary logo on the cover.
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Are we going to get record sheet .pdfs for the Star League packs?
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Are we going to get record sheet .pdfs for the Star League packs?
It would be more surprising if we didn't, so far every single plastic mini pack has had a record sheet pdf, though it did take quite a while for some to come after the pack's release.
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The real question is what the "modern" record sheet for the P-Hawk will be, since there's nothing that matches it. I'm guessing either the PHX-9 or the C 2.
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Isn't it explicitly supposed to be the -1c?
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Isn't it explicitly supposed to be the -1c?
Yes, that would be the historic configuration. But the supporting record sheets typically include a "modern" (3150s) sheet and he's curious as to what it might be. I assume we'll find out when the Force Pack actually gets in our hands and we can check the backside of the Alpha Strike card.
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The Alpha Strike cards in the box are:
ON1-K Orion / ON1-Kb Orion
TDK-7S Thunderhawk / TDK-7S Thunderhawk
PHX-1B "Special" Phoenix Hawk / PHX-1C "Special" Phoenix Hawk
AS7-D-H Atlas II / AS7-D-H Atlas II
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TDK-7S Thunderhawk / TDK-7S Thunderhawk
One side is the 7X.
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I'm guessing that's a typo on Sarna then
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CGL hasn’t released a Thunderhawk before this, right? As an old 40K player, I’ll finally get a plastic thunder hawk! In your face, Games Workshop!!!
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It would be entirely feasible not to create a modern 1c version, it could just be that one model. Is there a modern PHX variant that kind of matches the SL version?
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It would be entirely feasible not to create a modern 1c version, it could just be that one model. Is there a modern PHX variant that kind of matches the SL version?
There aren't any variants with ilClan-era tech, but the MUL has the 1b and 1c both available in the ilClan era; the 1b has apparently been produced by the FWL and its sub-states since the Jihad (for which I presume we can thank the Blakists), and the 1c is in the same boat but is also on the CapCon and Merc lists.
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that's perfect then, they could slap two variants in the .pdf w/o having to "modernize" it.
(now we need an Urbie IIC and the 2 AC-2 clan variant :evil:)
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Imagine spending four years at a war college only to be assigned an Urbie.
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Imagine spending four years at a war college only to be assigned an Urbie.
That's what happens when you step on the commandant's car during a training exercise.
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Imagine spending four years at a war college only to be assigned an Urbie.
Backwater assignment, possibly safe. I mean, suppose one is connected, but doesn't actually have real skills... gotta give some assignment to such person. Depending, they might be even quite fine with it.
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Anyone have one of the ballcaps? Are they exact fit or are they a stretch fit?
Just as a warning, you should order a size larger than normal despite the stretch fit. A buddy and myself ordered hats in XL and they fit comfortably snug, despite the two of us having only medium-largeish heads.
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Imagine spending four years at a war college only to be assigned an Urbie.
"You can always serve in the infantry until we get another 'Mech..."
<insert Rey from Force Awakens "The garbage will do!" quote here>
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Backwater assignment, possibly safe. I mean, suppose one is connected, but doesn't actually have real skills... gotta give some assignment to such person. Depending, they might be even quite fine with it.
I thought that someone who was connected but generally not competent was typically given a ceremonial position. Honor guard of a core planet that hasn't been invaded in the last two centuries sort of post.
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CGL hasn’t released a Thunderhawk before this, right? As an old 40K player, I’ll finally get a plastic thunder hawk! In your face, Games Workshop!!!
Plastic Thunder Hawks (for Aeronautica Imperialis and now the re-release of Epic) have been around for a few years now.
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It would be more surprising if we didn't, so far every single plastic mini pack has had a record sheet pdf, though it did take quite a while for some to come after the pack's release.
Awesome. I want to see what the ON1-Kb Orion can do on a "big" record sheet. I imagine it's just an Orion with all its weapons upgraded with equivalents and maybe an ES chassis, especially since it doesn't seem fragile enough to be rocking an XL.
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Did anyone who ordered any of the new stuff from the store Friday get a shipping notification yet?
Not that the lack of one means it didn't ship. I've had several Catalyst Store orders over the years just show up without any notifications of any kind.
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Did anyone who ordered any of the new stuff from the store Friday get a shipping notification yet?
Not that the lack of one means it didn't ship. I've had several Catalyst Store orders over the years just show up without any notifications of any kind.
No shipping notification yet.
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No shipping notification yet.
Still on hold for mine too.
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I haven't got a shipping notification yet, but typically it doesn't show up until the package has been here for a day or two.
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Not in a rush to get the new Star League force pack but very curious for the AS stats to be released on the masterunitlist.info site.
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Did anyone who ordered any of the new stuff from the store Friday get a shipping notification yet?
Got mine.
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I just got mine.
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There's my notification too!
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Got mine. Always want the new stuff.
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Today's Tuesday Newsday will actually be a Thursday Newsday (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cBxvF_F3m18).
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Hey, I might actually be able to watch this one live!
Usually it's in the middle of my workday.
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Did anyone who ordered any of the new stuff from the store Friday get a shipping notification yet?
Not that the lack of one means it didn't ship. I've had several Catalyst Store orders over the years just show up without any notifications of any kind.
I got mine this afternoon. Just a notification that the label was created. Often enough I've rec'd my order before I got an email saying the product has been shipped.
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Got mine. Always want the new stuff.
Yup, mine just showed up. Pretty chuffed to check out the prepaint with my own eyes.
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That's what happens when you step on the commandant's car during a training exercise.
I think it was dating all three of the Commandant's daughters at the same time that did it.....
Craig
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Looks like an AMA on Thursday at 8:30 (eastern?)
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Looks like an AMA on Thursday at 8:30 (eastern?)
What AMA?
Craig
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What AMA?
Craig
It will be the first AMA held on the Catalyst Discord server. Questions have to be submitted in advanced on a specific channel on the Discord server.
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Looking forward to Without Question tomorrow. :ready5:
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Did anyone who ordered any of the new stuff from the store Friday get a shipping notification yet?
Not that the lack of one means it didn't ship. I've had several Catalyst Store orders over the years just show up without any notifications of any kind.
I ordered Saturday and got my shipping notice this afternoon.
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Did anyone who ordered any of the new stuff from the store Friday get a shipping notification yet?
Mine should arrive tomorrow. USPS is saying Friday but it’s in Birmingham (AL) and usually when it hits there, I get it the next day. Looking forward to seeing new plastic!
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I ordered the Star League Lance on Friday, and just received the package this afternoon. I live in Georgia, so it's a rather short trip from the warehouse to where I live.
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Mine says it only the label has been printed. Ordered SLDF, Urbies, and a AGOAC Friday.
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Mine shows that it was just shipped today, which is...irritating.
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My delivery date got pushed back from Fri to Mon. That really sucks.
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I received my Command Lance today. The Orion actually looks nice! Unfortunately, it doesn't fit in with my "plastic grey" unit scheme...
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I received my Command Lance today. The Orion actually looks nice! Unfortunately, it doesn't fit in with my "plastic grey" unit scheme...
:laugh:
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I received my Command Lance today. The Orion actually looks nice! Unfortunately, it doesn't fit in with my "plastic grey" unit scheme...
my order is expected Monday ... so I presume it will arrive between Saturday and Wednesday, and then I'll get a notification it was delivered, lol.
You don't say! Well, sir ... my units (all of them!) is also plastic grey!
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I received my Command Lance today. The Orion actually looks nice! Unfortunately, it doesn't fit in with my "plastic grey" unit scheme...
It’s a very fashionable color scheme for a lot of people to ‘paint’. Why I myself have probably 250+ mechs between my Clan and IS factions ‘painted’ in that color :)
Looking forward to Without Question tomorrow. :ready5:
Good book!
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I guess FOMO got to me today. I ordered the the anniversary boxes and the Urbie LAM box. Gawd, I have a problem! A regiment + pledge and it’s not enough for my pile of shame.
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I am contemplating working an Urbie-LAM into my budget for next month. A have a powerful desire for the 40th anniversary boxes as well, but those are harder to justify.
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My FLGS said that both the Star League Command Lance and the Urbanmech LAM packs showed up in his system today.
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My package is in town but it says it will be here Saturday- I expect tomorrow really.
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My package is in town but it says it will be here Saturday- I expect tomorrow really.
I am very afraid that my package will pass through Chicago. I love that city, but its mail system is a black hole.
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When is the second star League pack coming? We are halfway through the second quarter.
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When is the second star League pack coming? We are halfway through the second quarter.
I would say everything is about 2 to 3 months late, mostly because of shipping.
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my Dropship arrived days early! :cheesy:
Slight sag to the PHX shoulder gun, some hot-hot water is in the near future.
was not expecting an extra gun for the PHX either, sweet.
Urbies already have met up with their lance-mates and they are happy.
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Meanwhile, my shipment has moved all the way from Atlanta to...Palmetto. About 1 hour and 15 minutes via mass transit.
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Meanwhile, my shipment has moved all the way from Atlanta to...Palmetto. About 1 hour and 15 minutes via mass transit.
Mine got delivered today. Normally a good thing, but I'm a firefighter and work 24 hour shifts. I'm on duty, so I'll have to wait until tomorrow to get my hands on the new stuff.
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Has anyone posted a summery of the newsday/AMA yet?
Universal distribution hasn't updated their CGL coming soon page for a long while; at this point I'm wondering what the Canadian release window for FM Davion can realistically be.
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Has anyone posted a summery of the newsday/AMA yet?
Universal distribution hasn't updated their CGL coming soon page for a long while; at this point I'm wondering what the Canadian release window for FM Davion can realistically be.
CGL has already noted that it won’t be released until after the Kickstarter is fulfilled/starts fulfillment.
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Mine came in today as expected.
Wife saw a box on the porch as we got home- "That is not mine."
"I know."
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Interesting change to the pilot cards in the 1st Star League Lancepack-
Orion gets 2 full cards, one is Aleksandr and the other is Theodore.
Atlas II gets 3 full cards, Nick, Devlin, and Aaron DeChavilier.
PXH and Thunder Hawk get the normal cards.
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I'm probably going to have to wait a while before I can get the Star League pack. I usually buy from amazon.de and I'm guessing it's gonna a be some weeks before they get it in stock.
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There are a few other options in and around germany.
The best option, though, would be an european CGL store. :wink:
Well, one can dream...
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Interesting change to the pilot cards in the 1st Star League Lancepack-
Orion gets 2 full cards, one is Aleksandr and the other is Theodore.
Atlas II gets 3 full cards, Nick, Devlin, and Aaron DeChavilier.
PXH and Thunder Hawk get the normal cards.
So a mix between the Legends-style cards (one pilot per card) and normal. Got it.
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Slight sag to the PHX shoulder gun, some hot-hot water is in the near future.
was not expecting an extra gun for the PHX either, sweet.
That isn't an extra gun. That is the PPC for the PHX Specials, they made it separate, because the gun sticks up out of the plastic holder, so it wouldn't fit in the box if the gun wasn't made a separate piece. At least that is the only reason I could think of for it being a separate piece.
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I just would like to see the stats on the Urbie Lam. Is it still a 30 ton or up to 35 ton?
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Does it actually have stats?
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The S-UM-1XLA is a pretty nice upgrade to the Urbanmech LAM. It would be nice to see, at least something close.
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I hope, that if we get a metal Royal Phoenix Hawk, they doq it the same way. I'd have a field day with kitbashes having both hands free, and any weapons, including the large laser as a sidecar or underslung mount for looks alone.
That isn't an extra gun. That is the PPC for the PHX Specials, they made it separate, because the gun sticks up out of the plastic holder, so it wouldn't fit in the box if the gun wasn't made a separate piece. At least that is the only reason I could think of for it being a separate piece.
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That isn't an extra gun. That is the PPC for the PHX Specials, they made it separate, because the gun sticks up out of the plastic holder, so it wouldn't fit in the box if the gun wasn't made a separate piece. At least that is the only reason I could think of for it being a separate piece.
doh! thanks for clearing that up!
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Atlas II gets 3 full cards, Nick, Devlin, and Aaron DeChavilier.
That last card might be particularly useful over in the Empires Aflame setting...
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That isn't an extra gun. That is the PPC for the PHX Specials, they made it separate, because the gun sticks up out of the plastic holder, so it wouldn't fit in the box if the gun wasn't made a separate piece. At least that is the only reason I could think of for it being a separate piece.
Couldn't they have just turned it (the 'Mech) to the side? :huh: So what if it's "In Profile" in the box, that's one little piece to NOT Possibly get lost.
I've seen several people in the past post about losing the head to one of the old Unseen Clan 'Mechs. :undecided: Want to say it was the Vixen?
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That last card might be particularly useful over in the Empires Aflame setting...
I was just happy to find out Nicky K is a 2/2 pilot. GIT GUD! lol
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Honestly, having big-name generals and lords with crazy elite skills kinda irks me a bit. These people are busy making decisions that affect trillions of people, where do they find time to maintain elite-level tactical skills? I'd really like to see some with veteran or regular skills, and then load them up with force-multiplying SPAs, to reflect their roles as commanders, versus fighters.