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Re: TRO 3145--Federated Suns
« Reply #480 on: 04 June 2013, 09:05:44 »
Nice looks throughout this TRO. Most of the 'Mechs seem to be moving sideways rather than true 'upgrades' though. I think that's what catches me versus the CC and DC volumes; there they had units that at first glance are definitely cool, and look to be strong on the table. Here, it's back to trade-offs and specialists. Something like the Gunsmith is pretty sweet - until you check the heat. That's where I'd gladly take it moving at a base 8/12 with an XL, or making some sort of downgrade on the lasers the allow it to run cooler: a +10 on the heat scale for a 24-point alpha strike just isn't doing it for me. Hollander III is okay, I don't mind the odd big-gun light. I do wonder why we have this in addition to the original, the Garm, the Blade, and the existing trio of 5/8 40-tonners. Omni-Centurion is cool, though even DW couldn't save the clicky-tech looks. The Vulpes is another one where it's a great concept, but once you engage the Stealth armor, you can only use one of the two ERLLs without serious heat issues. That's a design choice I can't stand (and goes back to the Sha Yu). T3 Prime looks like an -8D Warhammer with a TC added. Not bad, but is that the best that can be done with 15 more tons? That one will be a question of how it fits in by BV; on its own it's underwhelming, but if the points match up favourably it could be alright. I can understand FS fans not being super stoked, but that's okay. Win some, lose some. It's not about just taking the 'best' toys and beating up your opponent. It's about matching wits and out-thinking your opponent.

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Re: TRO 3145--Federated Suns
« Reply #481 on: 04 June 2013, 09:10:33 »
I can definitely see the Dracs using their salvaged Prey Seekers to go after Gunsmiths.  }:)
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Re: TRO 3145--Federated Suns
« Reply #482 on: 04 June 2013, 09:19:41 »
The Black Knight should have the 300 engine rating which brings its reduced speed due to the shield at 3/5. Not 2/3.
That seems to be the case for all the Black Knight record sheets. The speed shown on the recordsheet is the speed AFTER the shield speed reduction is taken into account.
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Re: TRO 3145--Federated Suns
« Reply #483 on: 04 June 2013, 09:24:38 »
I'll admit to one big quibble: I detest the name "gunsmith" for a combat unit. Gunsmithing is the field of designing, maintaining, repairing, and modifying small arms ; it does not include the use of them. If this was some sort of battlefield maintenance IndustrialMech, the name would work, but I have no idea how this machine and its name are related. It's like naming a combat 'Mech Engineer or AsTech.
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Re: TRO 3145--Federated Suns
« Reply #484 on: 04 June 2013, 09:27:23 »
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Re: TRO 3145--Federated Suns
« Reply #485 on: 04 June 2013, 09:33:30 »
Gunsmithing is the field of designing, maintaining, repairing, and modifying small arms ; it does not include the use of them.

That is ok, the 'Mech does not use any small arms anyway.  :D

...joking aside, a Grasshopper is not exactly a fearsome beast either- some names just make no sense.

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Re: TRO 3145--Federated Suns
« Reply #486 on: 04 June 2013, 09:35:18 »
Hey, just give me some sort of excuse, because I'm really irked by it.
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Re: TRO 3145--Federated Suns
« Reply #487 on: 04 June 2013, 09:39:35 »
I can definitely see the Dracs using their salvaged Prey Seekers to go after Gunsmiths.  }:)

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Re: TRO 3145--Federated Suns
« Reply #488 on: 04 June 2013, 09:43:37 »
Though a Supercharger is more efficient in weight savings and its actual funcunality than a MASC.
Speaking of which... was there even a single Supercharger in this TRO?
The Hanse MBT has a supercharger
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Re: TRO 3145--Federated Suns
« Reply #489 on: 04 June 2013, 09:47:46 »
What I am curious about is that the Atlas III's Right Arm weapon appears to be somewhat able to swap out its weapons, does that mean there are more weapon systems available but not shown yet, or in development?
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Re: TRO 3145--Federated Suns
« Reply #490 on: 04 June 2013, 09:54:57 »
The Hanse MBT has a supercharger

Jup, Hollander III as well, as I just noticed while doing the close reading.

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Re: TRO 3145--Federated Suns
« Reply #491 on: 04 June 2013, 09:56:27 »
So, are there many (if any) units in this file that are produced on planets that are now under Combine or Confederation occupation as of 3145?

Hey, just give me some sort of excuse, because I'm really irked by it.

Perhaps it was named after a gun shop owner who moonlights as a bounty hunter?
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Re: TRO 3145--Federated Suns
« Reply #492 on: 04 June 2013, 09:58:11 »
So, are there many (if any) units in this file that are produced on planets that are now under Combine or Confederation occupation as of 3145?

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Re: TRO 3145--Federated Suns
« Reply #493 on: 04 June 2013, 09:58:51 »
So, are there many (if any) units in this file that are produced on planets that are now under Combine or Confederation occupation as of 3145?

Some, yes, especially the Paladin has been mentioned in falling into CC hands.
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Re: TRO 3145--Federated Suns
« Reply #494 on: 04 June 2013, 09:59:27 »
What I am curious about is that the Atlas III's Right Arm weapon appears to be somewhat able to swap out its weapons, does that mean there are more weapon systems available but not shown yet, or in development?
note the Jettison quirk.

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Re: TRO 3145--Federated Suns
« Reply #495 on: 04 June 2013, 10:00:54 »
The only way you salvage a Prey Seeker is if you catch it with an empty cockpit.

Or...Aim Low with a Medium Laser...Or, of course, kick it with another light mech...
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Re: TRO 3145--Federated Suns
« Reply #496 on: 04 June 2013, 10:09:33 »
Some, yes, especially the Paladin has been mentioned in falling into CC hands.

Well, ehm... how about the ATLAS III @ DC? :D

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Re: TRO 3145--Federated Suns
« Reply #497 on: 04 June 2013, 10:12:59 »
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Re: TRO 3145--Federated Suns
« Reply #498 on: 04 June 2013, 10:14:49 »
The Capellans are fluffed in the article as having discontinued Hasek production, for obvious political reasons.

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Re: TRO 3145--Federated Suns
« Reply #499 on: 04 June 2013, 10:22:22 »
Or...Aim Low with a Medium Laser...Or, of course, kick it with another light mech...

Dropping a leg doesn't kill the 'mech.  And with the FS pilot mentalities, do you really expect a legged Prey Seeker to simply eject?

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Re: TRO 3145--Federated Suns
« Reply #500 on: 04 June 2013, 10:38:11 »
note the Jettison quirk.

I noticed it, it just means there is some modularity to it. It wouldn't be hard to make other weapons fit into it. My question I still valid.
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Re: TRO 3145--Federated Suns
« Reply #501 on: 04 June 2013, 10:42:41 »
"Where no room is given, no growth is achieved"

True enough. Though I do maintain hope with the quality of work we`ve had the last few years. See the Atlas of TRO3085 versus the cover of ER3145. A little artistic liberty, and boom. Something worth turning into pewter.  :)

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Re: TRO 3145--Federated Suns
« Reply #502 on: 04 June 2013, 10:46:53 »
Psycho hit the nail on the head above. I was trying to figure out what was bothering me about the new Templar. While I like the idea of a Light Engine, the extra weight of that and the heavy duty gyro make it an up-armored Warhammer 8D. The 8D is an awesome mech that I use all the time. But if you are on a wartime footing, and an 8D is around 8 million cbills, and the T-3 comes in around what, 28 million cbills? I'll take the lance of warhammers instead of the single Templar and some spare parts every time.

After the glory of the 3145: DC TRO, I'm starting to feel a little let down by the FedSuns TRO. We've got the Sortek, the Zibler, the Omni-Cent (that I wish was an omni-Enforcer) and then a bunch of trade offs and question marks. I keep looking at the Tenshi (sp?) enviously.

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Re: TRO 3145--Federated Suns
« Reply #503 on: 04 June 2013, 10:47:21 »
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True enough. Though I do maintain hope with the quality of work we`ve had the last few years. See the Atlas of TRO3085 versus the cover of ER3145. A little artistic liberty, and boom. Something worth turning into pewter.  :)
Just compare the original Atlas artwork with the one for the Atlas III.
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Re: TRO 3145--Federated Suns
« Reply #504 on: 04 June 2013, 10:51:58 »
Dropping a leg doesn't kill the 'mech.  And with the FS pilot mentalities, do you really expect a legged Prey Seeker to simply eject?

*double checks the sheet* Wow...that thing is durable...OK..so, hit it with 11+ points in one torso..Still very possible to salvage.
Heck, Hito could take two out, taking out different torsos, and the Combine techs could then assemble a complete 'mech..

As a side note: I like the cover and Atlas III art for one major reason: Finally, an Atlas where I will know where the bloody
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Re: TRO 3145--Federated Suns
« Reply #505 on: 04 June 2013, 10:52:22 »
I'm with ColBosch... I thought the Gunsmith would be some ubercool Combat/RepairMech hybrid. He'll have a big gun and some tools to fix up other 'Mechs.

But hey, I appreciate Light 'Mechs, even with XXLs.

What did you not like about the DC TRO? I found it to be pretty good. Solid mechs, vees and BAs, a great Omni chassis, a great ASF, excellent variants for the signature line mechs... not to mention all the former NC stuff.

If I may, I expect Ratwedge has his own reasons, but there's a lot of stuff not to like about the DC TRO. The Vees are solid. The Battle Armour selection is good too, though the use of Reflec stymies the Kishi's weapon choices.

The 'Mechs, however, are the weakest in the TRO. I don't want to pollute the FedSuns' thread with this though.

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Re: TRO 3145--Federated Suns
« Reply #506 on: 04 June 2013, 10:53:54 »
Psycho hit the nail on the head above. I was trying to figure out what was bothering me about the new Templar. While I like the idea of a Light Engine, the extra weight of that and the heavy duty gyro make it an up-armored Warhammer 8D. The 8D is an awesome mech that I use all the time. But if you are on a wartime footing, and an 8D is around 8 million cbills, and the T-3 comes in around what, 28 million cbills? I'll take the lance of warhammers instead of the single Templar and some spare parts every time.

After the glory of the 3145: DC TRO, I'm starting to feel a little let down by the FedSuns TRO. We've got the Sortek, the Zibler, the Omni-Cent (that I wish was an omni-Enforcer) and then a bunch of trade offs and question marks. I keep looking at the Tenshi (sp?) enviously.

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Re: TRO 3145--Federated Suns
« Reply #507 on: 04 June 2013, 11:15:21 »
I love TROs being judged by FASAeconomics, when we all know FASAeconomics is a joke.
The FS didn't care about the supposed cost of XL tanks back then, and doesn't care about the costs of XXL engines mechs now.
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Re: TRO 3145--Federated Suns
« Reply #508 on: 04 June 2013, 11:16:39 »
I noticed it, it just means there is some modularity to it. It wouldn't be hard to make other weapons fit into it. My question I still valid.
That's not how jettison works though. It's a call back to the old unseen with 'handheld' weapons that were hardwired into the machines. This one's no different. It's not like an Omni where you can plug in any weapon, or a a handheld where it can pick up anything. If you want to change the gun out, you need to do it the old fashioned way.

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Re: TRO 3145--Federated Suns
« Reply #509 on: 04 June 2013, 11:22:38 »
I love TROs being judged by FASAeconomics, when we all know FASAeconomics is a joke.
The FS didn't care about the supposed cost of XL tanks back then, and doesn't care about the costs of XXL engines mechs now.

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