“Save” the Jags

[Sjhernan3060]

Do we even know the size of this Crusader Shark Relief Force? I really doubt it was that big in the first place (cluster possible maybe 2?) and it is easy to imagine how word got to Vlad. Yeah I am looking at you Merchant Factor Angus Labov!

Lets say that Hawker wins the fight he has scheduled with Vlad this time and thus the Crusader Wolves are won to this Crusader Relief effort banner. Other Crusader Clans may than start to be won over on the basis of this victory with the goal of driving out the InnerSphere taint and securing the Homeworlds for all time.

This far larger relief force annihilates the forces of the false Star League and a new hero is born, long live ilKhan Ian Hawker! As a Diamond Shark and the Great Protector of the Clans there could well be motions for Absorptions and perhaps even a new Clan or two is born. I think he would announce the Clan intention to abide by the Truce of Tukayyid giving the Sharks and their Clan allies time to build up and reorder things. Perhaps other Clans are added to the Invasion but what is certain is permeant contact with the InnerSphere, no pulling back.

I would approach the Nova Cat Abjuration a bit differently than canon as well maybe giving those loyalist Crusaders (must have been a few) a chance at redemption. Personally I hate waste as do the Clans and because of his efforts to save the Clan Homeworlds and some of the Clans from themselves this could stand. Another opportunity for Absorption certainly and perhaps the dawn of some new Clans as I said before.

Here is an interesting idea - the Diamond Sharks split off their Wardens to form Clan Sea Fox so they may go their own way. They are very friendly with the Nova Cats and an Absorption followed by a split would certainly be very possible. I like that a bunch! 

I'd have Victor taken as a bondsman by the Cloud Cobras who takes a Phelan route within this Clan but the loss of so many key regiments and figures would do great damage to the Star League. Oh and Lincoln Osis would be dead here either killed in combat or stripped by Hawker for keeping secrecy and sucking but perhaps Brandon Howell would finally get a chance to lead the Jags or what is left now indebted to the Sharks.

How's that for starters?

This was really great and I hope we get some Ian Hawker POV stories in a future sharpnel

[Sjhernan3060]

If in my scenario say the blood spirits wiped out serpent and reclaimed the jags genetic repository with the Jag remains what if any of the following could they claim as the victors:

1) Any salvage
2) Several " production runs" of prized sibkos
           By my understanding and correct me if I am wrong the Clans have the ability to mass produce warriors but they are limited by the trainers, time and equipment of the clan itself right?
            So could the Spirits demand " Give me 2 sibkos of Osis with a side of Moon elementals"
                  Not claiming the blood right but the actual sibkos new babies or young tykes
3) The actual blood rights
         If the jags lost a refusal trial could the Spirits claim the exclusive blood lines or did that still need GC approval?

Can any one add insight on question 2?

[MoneyLovinOgre4Hire]

Given that 80-90% of a sibko fails to make it to warrior status, there's typically not going to be much interest by Clan in claiming a sibko from another Clan as a prize.  Demanding a certain number of warriors like they do in harvest trials would be more likely.

[Zeruel]

Given that 80-90% of a sibko fails to make it to warrior status, there's typically not going to be much interest by Clan in claiming a sibko from another Clan as a prize.  Demanding a certain number of warriors like they do in harvest trials would be more likely.

didn't the Falcons (or whats left of them in their OZ) just Trial for some Bear sibkos to shore up their numbers or something?

[MoneyLovinOgre4Hire]

Under extremely unusual circumstances.  The Remnant Falcons are at a point where they're desperate for warriors.  And they targeted sibkos that had reached the point where they were almost ready for their first trials of position.  They weren't trialing for babies or toddlers.

[Sartris]

didn't the Falcons (or whats left of them in their OZ) just Trial for some Bear sibkos to shore up their numbers or something?

This is the A plot of the upcoming novel A Question of Survival

[JAMES_PRYDE]

Is there a new (if any) symbol for Prohaska Moon's Jaguar's 2.0 ?

[Sjhernan3060]

Story line wise that's how I would write it. Osis defeated and ousted and the much cooler brandon Howell leading a new " reasonable" jags as part of another clan

I am loving the flamboyant and fab jiyi Christu leading the Neo “
Reasonable” falcons post Ilclan trial. Alas if only we could have had that with brandon Howell

[Sjhernan3060]

Under extremely unusual circumstances.  The Remnant Falcons are at a point where they're desperate for warriors.  And they targeted sibkos that had reached the point where they were almost ready for their first trials of position.  They weren't trialing for babies or toddlers.

This is something the jags I feel could have potential pulled off once or twice in the HW but how could they have rapidly replaced their terrible equipment losses?

[MoneyLovinOgre4Hire]

Simply put, they couldn't replace either. They'd reached the point where their lack of infrastructure and production was fatal.  The only thing that could have saved them was a couple of years of being ignored while they focused on rebuilding, and that was never going to happen.

[Natasha Kerensky]

Something with Mongoose flavor for the ilClan-era Fidelis and resurrected Jags:

BLACK CAT (MONGOOSE IIC) —> https://bg.battletech.com/forums/battlemechs/black-cat-mongoose-iic/

[Sjhernan3060]

Something with Mongoose flavor for the ilClan-era Fidelis and resurrected Jags:

BLACK CAT (MONGOOSE IIC) —> https://bg.battletech.com/forums/battlemechs/black-cat-mongoose-iic/

New IIC?! I love to see it

[Sjhernan3060]

This was really great and I hope we get some Ian Hawker POV stories in a future sharpnel

Just cracked myself up imagining that Ian Hawker had this down on his vision board. Hawker is a character I have grown to love.

[Sjhernan3060]

So I was just reminded that the jags had an entire covert ops cluster in 3060ish that went missing. I guess their write is in interstellar players 2? Can any one tell me more about them?

[Sjhernan3060]

Simply put, they couldn't replace either. They'd reached the point where their lack of infrastructure and production was fatal.  The only thing that could have saved them was a couple of years of being ignored while they focused on rebuilding, and that was never going to happen.

Was their entire warship fleet wrecked in the OZ and at huntress?

[Hellraiser]

Was their entire warship fleet wrecked in the OZ and at huntress?

Pretty much.

The DC & CS salvaged a couple IIRC, and there were 2?, that disappeared from the Jags that were later used by renegade warriors.
But most of it was trashed completely, captured, or mothballed from serious damage.

[Sjhernan3060]

Given that 80-90% of a sibko fails to make it to warrior status, there's typically not going to be much interest by Clan in claiming a sibko from another Clan as a prize.  Demanding a certain number of warriors like they do in harvest trials would be more likely.

This become a plot point in the new jag focused novel “ jaguars leap” which was interesting

[JAMES_PRYDE]

If only he listened to his dream

[Bren]

Sorry if this is the wrong thread for this.

I swear I've seen a Clan Honor Interpretation Table that indicates 'strict / liberal / etc.' that included Smoke Jaguar ... but now for the life of me I can't find it.

Did I dream it up?

[MoneyLovinOgre4Hire]

It's shown up a few places.  I think it's in the Designing Scenarios chapter in the back of Total Warfare.

[Angrii]

Sorry if this is the wrong thread for this.

I swear I've seen a Clan Honor Interpretation Table that indicates 'strict / liberal / etc.' that included Smoke Jaguar ... but now for the life of me I can't find it.

Did I dream it up?

Total Warfare page 274.

[Hellraiser]

Total Warfare page 274.

Yep, pretty much any "deceased" clan info tends to be in the core rulebooks if they were not in the FM series.
What little of it there is at least.

[Bren]

Neither of my versions of TW have the Jaguars -- could you guys relay what yours says?

[tassa_kay]

The Jaguars were never included in the TW tables. They're in Era Report 3052 and 3062. Strict pre-Invasion, Opportunistic post-Invasion.

[Bren]

Ah ha -- pg.141 ER:3062. I knew I saw it somewhere. Thanks

[wantec]

FYI, The new Jags now have entries on the MUL for the ilClan Era http://www.masterunitlist.info/Era/FactionEraDetails?FactionId=98&EraId=257

[Sjhernan3060]

FYI, The new Jags now have entries on the MUL for the ilClan Era http://www.masterunitlist.info/Era/FactionEraDetails?FactionId=98&EraId=257

Thank you sir!

[Sartris]

The nuJags and terra falcons are going to be issued units very sparingly until we get more info on them in future publications. Their lists will probably change significantly once we get some read on their size and personalities

[wantec]

The nuJags and terra falcons are going to be issued units very sparingly until we get more info on them in future publications. Their lists will probably change significantly once we get some read on their size and personalities

I figured that would be the case. From what's up there right now I like the sprinkling of former Republic 'Mechs in there.

This may be a weird request, but is there any way to add a feature to remove the Clan General/IS General units from the faction lists? Some times I'm looking to see what units are limited or unique to a faction

[Kerfuffin(925)]

I figured that would be the case. From what's up there right now I like the sprinkling of former Republic 'Mechs in there.

This may be a weird request, but is there any way to add a feature to remove the Clan General/IS General units from the faction lists? Some times I'm looking to see what units are limited or unique to a faction

If you use the search feature it will do that.

Ie search for nuJags it will only return nuJag listings rather than nuJag and clan General. Use the faction filters