Clan Blood Spirit: Get Off Our Lawn

[Wolf72]

I think that's a good "what if" point of history for CBS.

I like to think "What if" CBS went all in to aid the Wolverines, by doing so pushed some of the other clans to a more neutral stance or even gain some more allies, like the CSR (after proof it was not CWv who detonated the nuke) ... Perhaps even stymieing their 'complete' annihilation.  Really throw a wrench into clan politics for the next two centuries.

[tassa_kay]

Benefit from new ideas?

Maybe you don't really get the Blood Spirits' whole thing. 

The Spirits' embracing of ProtoMechs, up to and including developing a phenotype specifically for them, shows that the Spirits are absolutely able to benefit from new ideas.

[Tyler Jorgensson]

I think that's a good "what if" point of history for CBS.

I like to think "What if" CBS went all in to aid the Wolverines, by doing so pushed some of the other clans to a more neutral stance or even gain some more allies, like the CSR (after proof it was not CWv who detonated the nuke) ... Perhaps even stymieing their 'complete' annihilation.  Really throw a wrench into clan politics for the next two centuries.

Honestly it’s one of the things written for my Wolverine AU and I do have the Spirits pegged as an ‘ally’ for them.

[tassa_kay]

Personally, I don't see the Spirits ever doing that. These aren't the Spirits of the 3060s that we know, with nothing but contempt and hatred for the other Clans. These were the Spirits of the Klondike era, who were all in on Nicholas Kerensky and trying to keep the other Clans unified. It's just not in them to rebel against that; it would be massively out-of-character for them.

But for the sake of argument, let's say that they did break with the other Clans and sided with the Wolverines. Then we'd have just ended up with two dead Clans instead of one.

[Fire Scorpion IIC]

I think that's a good "what if" point of history for CBS.

I like to think "What if" CBS went all in to aid the Wolverines, by doing so pushed some of the other clans to a more neutral stance or even gain some more allies, like the CSR (after proof it was not CWv who detonated the nuke) ... Perhaps even stymieing their 'complete' annihilation.  Really throw a wrench into clan politics for the next two centuries.

What ultimately set Wolverines on the path to doom wasn't the fact that they step out of line or tried to leave it's that they tried to go back to the Inner Sphere which went against direct orders of General Kerensky and was pretty much the mockery of the sacrifices and hardships endured by SLDF and their descendants

Had Wolverines decided to migrate somewhere deeper into galaxy Nicolas would have had more problems mobilizing less aggressive Clans against them as they would have been perceived as less of an political issue and it would have opened possibility of other Clans cooperating with them while severely limiting Widowmaker's options when trying to frame them

Odds are they would still be targeted and absorbed but it would not be a guaranteed scenario and things would have never escalated towards annihilation

But their chosen destination was an affront to everything other Clans believed in and sacrificed for therefore they were completely on their own and no alliance with anyone was possible

[tassa_kay]

What ultimately set Wolverines on the path to doom wasn't the fact that they step out of line or tried to leave it's that they tried to go back to the Inner Sphere which went against direct orders of General Kerensky and was pretty much the mockery of the sacrifices and hardships endured by SLDF and their descendants

That's... not true at all. Like not even remotely true.

[Stormlion1]

The Wolverines died because Kerensky needed a example. Nothing more. And sadly the Wolverines stuck there nose out by literally being the best at what they did. The Clans like the Blood Spirits that showed some support for the Wolverines might have just missed out being on the chopping block themselves. What it did do was make the Blood Spirits targets for trials by the Burrocks.

[Wolf72]

as it is written, but I do like the "what-if" scenarios.  Having the Wolverines lead a block versus NK would have been a cool alt-plot.  I thought I read that some of the other clans were on the fence, it's all what-if.  But imagine if they'd been able to stymie the whole thing to just enough.  Or if the splintering of the Clans happened much, much sooner.  Or if the Trial of Annihilation basically failed ... perhaps the Wolverines fought well enough, then stayed.

Ok, back to our regular lamentation of what is! (j/k).

[alex blood spirit]

Taasa Kay you do hav a good point on the protomech issue

[Stormlion1]

as it is written, but I do like the "what-if" scenarios.  Having the Wolverines lead a block versus NK would have been a cool alt-plot.  I thought I read that some of the other clans were on the fence, it's all what-if.  But imagine if they'd been able to stymie the whole thing to just enough.  Or if the splintering of the Clans happened much, much sooner.  Or if the Trial of Annihilation basically failed ... perhaps the Wolverines fought well enough, then stayed.

Ok, back to our regular lamentation of what is! (j/k).

Imagine if the Wolverines had beaten the Wolves and Nicky K in a Trial of Annihilation? The Wolverines and not the Wolves might have been the foremost Clan. Did the Clans at that point have Bondsmen?

[Wolf72]

dunno. Also, how bad would they have bled themselves dry?  Talk about "tossed salad and scrambled eggs" ...

[Stormlion1]

dunno. Also, how bad would they have bled themselves dry?  Talk about "tossed salad and scrambled eggs" ...

Well that's a possibility that the Wolverines would have been bled dry but the Wolves would probably no longer exist and the Wolverines might have gained all there assets to compensate like the Star Adders did to the Burrocks. Any weakness would be short term with Wolverine Allies, like the Blood Spirits becoming more important in the long term.

[alex blood spirit]

Prior to the Wolverine Anhilation did the Blood Spirits trade for any mechs like the Stag or the Puliverizer mechs

[Stormlion1]

Prior to the Wolverine Anhilation did the Blood Spirits trade for any mechs like the Stag or the Puliverizer mechs

Far too new of a design so no. They got picked up by the Snow Ravens after the Annihilation and a few might have made there way into the Blood Spirit forces after the Warships for Mechs deal.

[alex blood spirit]

that's what i thought thanks stormlion

[Stormlion1]

that's what i thought thanks stormlion

The Pulverizer would be a good design for the Blood Spirits to field as a training mech for Sibkos or pulled out to fight the Star Adders on York.

[Tyler Jorgensson]

Despite Endo-Steel and FF Armor it has a Standard Engine, Large Lasers and LRMs and is rugged very similar to a Kingfisher (fluff wise duh). I’m pairing them up in my own Blood Spirit Star.

[Stormlion1]

Despite Endo-Steel and FF Armor it has a Standard Engine, Large Lasers and LRMs and is rugged very similar to a Kingfisher (fluff wise duh). I’m pairing them up in my own Blood Spirit Star.

I have two for a Wolverine Force but now I'm thinking I might need another for my Blood Spirits now. May build another Trinary around one of the Galaxys lost during the Burrock Absorbtion.

[Sjhernan3060]

Despite Endo-Steel and FF Armor it has a Standard Engine, Large Lasers and LRMs and is rugged very similar to a Kingfisher (fluff wise duh). I’m pairing them up in my own Blood Spirit Star.

Same! And as it’s a second line Mech that the ravens produced and the spirits traded warships for second line mechs I can see the spirits having them

[Starfury]

The Pulverizer would also pair well with Shogun Cs, Highlander IICs, Blood Kites, Crocketts and Marauder IIcs

[alex blood spirit]

did the wolverine's and spirit's have any joint ventures prior to the aniliation?

[StCptMara]

did the wolverine's and spirit's have any joint ventures prior to the aniliation?

Not that we are aware. Nothing was mentioned in Betrayal of Ideals. Unfortunately, that is the only information we really have about the Not-Named Clan.

[Mendrugo]

For Klondike, the Blood Spirits went to Arcadia and the Wolverines were on Circe.  However, it's almost certain that the Blood Spirits would have sent an ilChi ambassador to the Wolverines, and it was the Blood Spirits' expression of sympathy for the Wolverines that started Clan Burrock's feud with them.

[alex blood spirit]

were there any Bloodnames that survived the annnihilation

[Mendrugo]

Wolverine bloodnames?  No, not officially.  Though it's highly interesting that the Wolverine's Watch commander was Trish Ebon, and in the 3040s, the Magistracy of Canopus stood up a super-secret spy division called the Ebon Magistrate and got super good at espionage tradecraft and technology.  (The apocryphal BattleCorps Iron Writer story "Darkness" all but confirms the Ebon Magistrate got its tech from Clan Wolverine.)

Blood Spirit bloodnames?  Possibly, but only to the extent that they'd been claimed in a Trial of Possession by other Clans.  Abtakha Blood Spirits that ended up in the Inner Sphere circa 3095 would have been given the opportunity to restart their Bloodhouses per the Edict of Severance.

[VensersRevenge]

Shrapnel Issue 3 explicitly confirms that at least the Boques Bloodname did make it to the Inner Sphere.

[Tyler Jorgensson]

A certain detective novel exists that says another might have made it

[alex blood spirit]

i guess both clans here's a new idea what if clan Blood Spirit was resurected with Spirit and Wolverine Blood names

[ColBosch]

i guess both clans here's a new idea what if clan Blood Spirit was resurected with Spirit and Wolverine Blood names

That sounds like a great way to bring the Invading and Homeworld Clans back together, as they burn every last trace of that abomination from the universe. Clanners have murdered Inner Sphere citizens for merely being distantly related to members of Clan Wolverine. As the Homeworlds have become even more conservative and the Invaders have firmly entrenched themselves in the Inner Sphere, any attempt to resurrect any aspect of the Wolverines is going to be met with ludicrously overwhelming violence.

A new Clan Blood Spirit? Maybe. But never the Wolverines.

[Tyler Jorgensson]

Sadly I have to agree. Despite my wish that Clan Wolverine could be reborn, I doubt it will happen (without SERIOUS bloodshed). Clan Blood Spirit was ‘Absorbed’ where the Wolverines were Annihilated. If the Blood Spirits arrived with any sort of presence in the Inner Sphere there would probably be some sort of Trial to determine their status: the Homeworld Clans being cut off intentionally means the Adders Trial would be left in legal hell. They MIGHT treat them like the Nova Cats and abjure them, they might treat them like the Scorpions and ignore them. Who knows?

Personally…. I’d think it would be funny if say a broken Spirit Galaxy shows up at the Escorpion Imperio and is absorbed. Some random Mandrills too lol