Author Topic: 'Mech sheets for retconned Unseen  (Read 4207 times)

Hotwire

  • Sergeant
  • *
  • Posts: 110
  • ARC-2R/WHM-6L FrankenMech "The Ogre"
'Mech sheets for retconned Unseen
« on: 08 June 2019, 18:10:08 »
I'm confused. Which of the latest TRO and Record Sheet books have the retconned Unseen 'Mechs in them, i.e. Marauder, Rifleman, Ost 'Mechs, Phoenix Hawk, Valkyrie, Warhammer, Wasp, Stinger, etc.?  I'm playing a campaign during the 3rd Succession War, but am I right that the Record Sheets and TRO: Succession Wars and Record Sheets and TRO: 3039 don't have them?
« Last Edit: 08 June 2019, 18:12:13 by Hotwire »
3025 Forever!

Liam's Ghost

  • Lieutenant Colonel
  • *
  • Posts: 8087
  • Miss Chitty finds your honor rules quaint.
Re: 'Mech sheets for retconned Unseen
« Reply #1 on: 08 June 2019, 18:41:04 »
Record Sheets 3039 unabridged has the record sheets for the original unseens and their era appropriate variants.

Good news is the lab boys say the symptoms of asbestos poisoning show an immediate latency of 44.6 years. So if you're thirty or over you're laughing. Worst case scenario you miss out on a few rounds of canasta, plus you've forwarded the cause of science by three centuries. I punch those numbers into my calculator, it makes a happy face.

(indirect accessory to the) Slayer of Monitors!

Luciora

  • Major
  • *
  • Posts: 6110
Re: 'Mech sheets for retconned Unseen
« Reply #2 on: 08 June 2019, 19:15:39 »
Only the images were affected, the stats never changed.

Hotwire

  • Sergeant
  • *
  • Posts: 110
  • ARC-2R/WHM-6L FrankenMech "The Ogre"
Re: 'Mech sheets for retconned Unseen
« Reply #3 on: 08 June 2019, 20:25:55 »
Thanks
3025 Forever!

Colt Ward

  • Lieutenant General
  • *
  • Posts: 29496
  • Gott Mit Uns
    • Merc Periphery Guide- Bakunin
Re: 'Mech sheets for retconned Unseen
« Reply #4 on: 09 June 2019, 00:17:29 »
Check the downloads section of the main site, it has a PDF of the ones in the new big box set.
Colt Ward
Clan Invasion Backer #149, Leviathans #104

"We come in peace, please ignore the bloodstains."

"Greetings, Mechwarrior. You have been recruited by the Star League to defend the Frontier against Daoshen and the Capellan armada."

Kovax

  • Captain
  • *
  • Posts: 2421
  • Taking over the Universe one mapsheet at a time
Re: 'Mech sheets for retconned Unseen
« Reply #5 on: 11 June 2019, 11:21:25 »
Only the images were affected, the stats never changed.
….even in cases where the stats probably SHOULD have been changed.

Sartris

  • Codex Conditor
  • BattleTech Volunteer
  • Colonel
  • *
  • Posts: 20102
  • Cap’n-Generalissimost
    • Master Unit List
Re: 'Mech sheets for retconned Unseen
« Reply #6 on: 11 June 2019, 13:46:44 »
….even in cases where the stats probably SHOULD have been changed.

BattleTech Commandment 6: Thou shalt not invalidate ye olde sheets

... unless it's Artemis IV in the head or FF armor rounding...

You bought the box set and are ready to expand your bt experience. Now what? | Modern Sourcebook Index | FASA Sourcebook Index | Print on Demand Index
Equipment Reference Cards | DIY Pilot Cards | PaperTech Mech and Vehicle Counters

Quote
Interviewer: Since you’ve stopped making art, how do you spend your time?
Paul Chan Breathers: Oh, I’m a breather. I’m a respirateur. Isn’t that enough?

MoneyLovinOgre4Hire

  • Lieutenant General
  • *
  • Posts: 27077
  • Need a hand?
Re: 'Mech sheets for retconned Unseen
« Reply #7 on: 11 June 2019, 14:50:16 »
Even with the new hands on the Ostscout?
Warning: this post may contain sarcasm.

"I think I've just had another near-Rincewind experience," Death, The Color of Magic

"When in doubt, C4." Jamie Hyneman

YingJanshi

  • Major
  • *
  • Posts: 4516
  • Switch Friend Code: SW-4326-4622-8514
Re: 'Mech sheets for retconned Unseen
« Reply #8 on: 11 June 2019, 19:51:34 »
Even with the new hands on the Ostscout?

Well...it always had hands statwise...

Initiate of the Order of Valhalla

(HBS: Backer #4,960)
(Clan Invasion: Backer #314)
(Mercenaries: Backer #6,017)

MoneyLovinOgre4Hire

  • Lieutenant General
  • *
  • Posts: 27077
  • Need a hand?
Re: 'Mech sheets for retconned Unseen
« Reply #9 on: 11 June 2019, 20:05:33 »
Well...it always had hands statwise...

The original Ostscout didn't have hands, it had those weird sensor spikes.
Warning: this post may contain sarcasm.

"I think I've just had another near-Rincewind experience," Death, The Color of Magic

"When in doubt, C4." Jamie Hyneman

nckestrel

  • Scientia Bellator
  • Freelance Writer
  • Lieutenant Colonel
  • *
  • Posts: 11172
Re: 'Mech sheets for retconned Unseen
« Reply #10 on: 11 June 2019, 20:16:32 »
The original Ostscout didn't have hands, it had those weird sensor spikes.

The record sheet always had hands.
Correction: I believe there was an intermediate RS that removed the hands, but the original and current RS have hands.
« Last Edit: 11 June 2019, 20:25:24 by nckestrel »
Alpha Strike Introduction resources
Left of Center blog - Tukayyid Expanded Random Unit Tables, Nashira Campaign for A Game of Armored Combat, TP 3039 Vega Supplemental Record Sheets

MoneyLovinOgre4Hire

  • Lieutenant General
  • *
  • Posts: 27077
  • Need a hand?
Re: 'Mech sheets for retconned Unseen
« Reply #11 on: 11 June 2019, 20:31:50 »
What's the current record sheet in?  Because my copy of RS:3039 Unabridged does not have hands, just lower arm actuators.
Warning: this post may contain sarcasm.

"I think I've just had another near-Rincewind experience," Death, The Color of Magic

"When in doubt, C4." Jamie Hyneman

nckestrel

  • Scientia Bellator
  • Freelance Writer
  • Lieutenant Colonel
  • *
  • Posts: 11172
Re: 'Mech sheets for retconned Unseen
« Reply #12 on: 11 June 2019, 21:06:27 »
Record Sheets Succession Wars.
I thought the latest 3039 did as well, but I just looked and you are correct that one does not have hands.  But the 2010 RS 3039u did have hands.  Then the RS3039 (2007?) did not. 
Alpha Strike Introduction resources
Left of Center blog - Tukayyid Expanded Random Unit Tables, Nashira Campaign for A Game of Armored Combat, TP 3039 Vega Supplemental Record Sheets

Lord Cameron

  • Patron Saint of GenCon Goodies
  • Catalyst Demo Team
  • Captain
  • *
  • Posts: 1747
Re: 'Mech sheets for retconned Unseen
« Reply #13 on: 11 June 2019, 21:15:43 »
Only the images were affected, the stats never changed.

The original TRO 3050 from the 90's had some errors, they were fixed in the 2nd printing.
The Phoenix Hawk 3M had single heat sinks in the 1st printing, corrected to double sinks in the later version
Agent #395, West Coast CDT Lead

nckestrel

  • Scientia Bellator
  • Freelance Writer
  • Lieutenant Colonel
  • *
  • Posts: 11172
Re: 'Mech sheets for retconned Unseen
« Reply #14 on: 11 June 2019, 21:29:12 »
The original TRO 3050 from the 90's had some errors, they were fixed in the 2nd printing.
The Phoenix Hawk 3M had single heat sinks in the 1st printing, corrected to double sinks in the later version

You newcomers with your fancy double heat sinks. :)
Alpha Strike Introduction resources
Left of Center blog - Tukayyid Expanded Random Unit Tables, Nashira Campaign for A Game of Armored Combat, TP 3039 Vega Supplemental Record Sheets

MoneyLovinOgre4Hire

  • Lieutenant General
  • *
  • Posts: 27077
  • Need a hand?
Re: 'Mech sheets for retconned Unseen
« Reply #15 on: 11 June 2019, 22:12:48 »
The original TRO 3050 from the 90's had some errors, they were fixed in the 2nd printing.
The Phoenix Hawk 3M had single heat sinks in the 1st printing, corrected to double sinks in the later version

As did the Blackjack and Scorpion.
Warning: this post may contain sarcasm.

"I think I've just had another near-Rincewind experience," Death, The Color of Magic

"When in doubt, C4." Jamie Hyneman

Luciora

  • Major
  • *
  • Posts: 6110
Re: 'Mech sheets for retconned Unseen
« Reply #16 on: 11 June 2019, 23:01:06 »
The point was that the original stats for the mechs that were affected by the lawsuit were not removed from the game and could still be used as-is , just without official artwork to represent them. 

The inclusion of the 2750 downgrades filled in the missing units until the proper resolution could be found.  Was it a a perfect solution?   No,  but there wasn't much else that could be done at the time without an extensive and expensive retcon.
The original TRO 3050 from the 90's had some errors, they were fixed in the 2nd printing.
The Phoenix Hawk 3M had single heat sinks in the 1st printing, corrected to double sinks in the later version

Lord Cameron

  • Patron Saint of GenCon Goodies
  • Catalyst Demo Team
  • Captain
  • *
  • Posts: 1747
Re: 'Mech sheets for retconned Unseen
« Reply #17 on: 12 June 2019, 05:27:55 »
You newcomers with your fancy double heat sinks. :)

Seems crazy....

Almost as crazy as having more than 1 kind of autocannon.  ;D
Agent #395, West Coast CDT Lead

Sartris

  • Codex Conditor
  • BattleTech Volunteer
  • Colonel
  • *
  • Posts: 20102
  • Cap’n-Generalissimost
    • Master Unit List
Re: 'Mech sheets for retconned Unseen
« Reply #18 on: 12 June 2019, 08:27:26 »
i like to imagine there being this ongoing raging argument amongst the FASA staff about the ostscout

"THE ART DOESN'T HAVE HANDS!"
"IT DESERVES HANDS YOU COWARD"
"I TOOK THEM OFF THE RECORD SHEET WHAT NOW?!"
"YOU'RE A CHILD!"

You bought the box set and are ready to expand your bt experience. Now what? | Modern Sourcebook Index | FASA Sourcebook Index | Print on Demand Index
Equipment Reference Cards | DIY Pilot Cards | PaperTech Mech and Vehicle Counters

Quote
Interviewer: Since you’ve stopped making art, how do you spend your time?
Paul Chan Breathers: Oh, I’m a breather. I’m a respirateur. Isn’t that enough?

Lorcan Nagle

  • 75 tons of heavy metal mayhem
  • Global Moderator
  • Lieutenant Colonel
  • *
  • Posts: 12376
  • We're back, baby!
Re: 'Mech sheets for retconned Unseen
« Reply #19 on: 12 June 2019, 08:44:23 »
The original TRO 3050 from the 90's had some errors, they were fixed in the 2nd printing.
The Phoenix Hawk 3M had single heat sinks in the 1st printing, corrected to double sinks in the later version

My favourite error from that era was the UrbanMech in the 1996 vintage RS: 3050 had no internal structure diagram.  It was a common joke in our group at the time that you couldn't destroy it outside of a lucky double one because you couldn't mark off internal structure damage on the sheet.
The moderator formerly known as the user formerly known as nenechan

Hellraiser

  • Colonel
  • *
  • Posts: 14231
  • Cry Havoc and Unleash the Gods of Fiat.
Re: 'Mech sheets for retconned Unseen
« Reply #20 on: 17 June 2019, 18:03:30 »
BattleTech Commandment 6: Thou shalt not invalidate ye olde sheets

... unless it's Artemis IV in the head or FF armor rounding...

You forgot Fractional Accounting for all those 3025/26 Vehicles.

I think Commandment-6 got tossed out long ago.

Which is a shame because in most cases there was a simple alternative that wouldn't have invalidated those RS.
3041: General Lance Hawkins: The Equalizers
3053: Star Colonel Rexor Kerensky: The Silver Wolves

"I don't shoot Urbanmechs, I walk up, stomp on their foot, wait for the head to pop open & drop in a hand grenade (or Elemental)" - Joel47
Against mechs, infantry have two options: Run screaming from Godzilla, or giggle under your breath as the arrogant fools blunder into your trap. - Weirdo

Sartris

  • Codex Conditor
  • BattleTech Volunteer
  • Colonel
  • *
  • Posts: 20102
  • Cap’n-Generalissimost
    • Master Unit List
Re: 'Mech sheets for retconned Unseen
« Reply #21 on: 17 June 2019, 18:25:49 »
In order to forget one must know in the first place.

The FF change was the most widespread (if minor) change. What else have they done besides the above changes?

You bought the box set and are ready to expand your bt experience. Now what? | Modern Sourcebook Index | FASA Sourcebook Index | Print on Demand Index
Equipment Reference Cards | DIY Pilot Cards | PaperTech Mech and Vehicle Counters

Quote
Interviewer: Since you’ve stopped making art, how do you spend your time?
Paul Chan Breathers: Oh, I’m a breather. I’m a respirateur. Isn’t that enough?

Daryk

  • Major General
  • *
  • Posts: 39754
  • The Double Deuce II/II-σ
Re: 'Mech sheets for retconned Unseen
« Reply #22 on: 17 June 2019, 18:38:44 »
Some vehicles (from 3026) were tweaked... The Warrior springs to mind.

nckestrel

  • Scientia Bellator
  • Freelance Writer
  • Lieutenant Colonel
  • *
  • Posts: 11172
Re: 'Mech sheets for retconned Unseen
« Reply #23 on: 17 June 2019, 18:54:36 »
Some vehicles (from 3026) were tweaked... The Warrior springs to mind.

That’s the fractional accounting change Hellraiser mentioned.
Alpha Strike Introduction resources
Left of Center blog - Tukayyid Expanded Random Unit Tables, Nashira Campaign for A Game of Armored Combat, TP 3039 Vega Supplemental Record Sheets

Daryk

  • Major General
  • *
  • Posts: 39754
  • The Double Deuce II/II-σ
Re: 'Mech sheets for retconned Unseen
« Reply #24 on: 17 June 2019, 19:16:26 »
Right, I was just naming one explicitly...

nckestrel

  • Scientia Bellator
  • Freelance Writer
  • Lieutenant Colonel
  • *
  • Posts: 11172
Re: 'Mech sheets for retconned Unseen
« Reply #25 on: 17 June 2019, 19:30:32 »
Right, I was just naming one explicitly...

Oops, got it now.
Alpha Strike Introduction resources
Left of Center blog - Tukayyid Expanded Random Unit Tables, Nashira Campaign for A Game of Armored Combat, TP 3039 Vega Supplemental Record Sheets

 

Register