The Scorpion Empire: All your Warhawks are belong to us

[DarkISI]

They might be able to sell at a loss, though, and cut into the Fox market. They also sell unique products, which could threaten that looming monopoly.

That they could do.
I can also see them going into the information market. Moving Forward showed them getting really good at combining data and extrapolating information from different sources by combining them and building a full picture. It's not a skill easy to come by.

That might also be a skill they want to keep hidden, though.

[Doc Swift]

Something I have left unstated is what the Scorpion Watch might be up to. Some will surely be rooting out any lingering restive elements from the conquest, but the rest...?  >:D

I mean, look how far the Seekers have gone. Who's to say there aren't Watch personnel riding shotgun?

[Colt Ward]

I would expect the Watch to have co-opted the Seekers . . . I mean, they make great Spec Ops teams for the Watch . . .

[glitterboy2098]

i suspect it would become a mutual cooption, since the Watch also make a great research group for the seekers.

I also have to wonder. given the Scorpion watch's skill at gathering information.. are they the reason that Wolfnet was so effective? since we know the scorpions trained the dragoons, and certainly the wolf watch was never all that impressive.

[rebs]

since we know the scorpions trained the dragoons, and certainly the wolf watch was never all that impressive.

Not until the late-great Star Colonel Ramil Kerensky put them on the map, of course.

Wolf Watch was definitely a late-bloomer.

[Colt Ward]

i suspect it would become a mutual cooption, since the Watch also make a great research group for the seekers.

I also have to wonder. given the Scorpion watch's skill at gathering information.. are they the reason that Wolfnet was so effective? since we know the scorpions trained the dragoons, and certainly the wolf watch was never all that impressive.

The old FASA? Covert Ops group had the Invasion Wolves be better at covert ops while the Falcons were the analysts.

Considering how much the Crusader Wolves had the Lyran border penetrated . . .

[DOC_Agren]

Okay...  I'm not much of a clan player and when I was for a long time I was looking a Ghost Bear but I keep thinking how much for the Scorpions could be.

So I am looking at a Seeker lead force set in the 3050/60 era what would it be.
1 mech a few support vehicles, maybe an old Leopard Dropship?

Help the new guy out?

[BrianDavion]

The old FASA? Covert Ops group had the Invasion Wolves be better at covert ops while the Falcons were the analysts.

Considering how much the Crusader Wolves had the Lyran border penetrated . . .

if you're refering to guide to covert ops that book had so many problems with it I'd not trust it if it told me the king of the 31st century battlefield was the Battlemech :)

[Natasha Kerensky]

Okay...  I'm not much of a clan player and when I was for a long time I was looking a Ghost Bear but I keep thinking how much for the Scorpions could be.

So I am looking at a Seeker lead force set in the 3050/60 era what would it be.
1 mech a few support vehicles, maybe an old Leopard Dropship?

Help the new guy out?

https://www.sarna.net/wiki/Clan_Goliath_Scorpion#Seekers

Usually folks recommend a highly survivable, all-energy design for Seekers to keep the logistics down.  Hard to beat the thick armor, SFE, dual peepers, quartet of ER Mediums, and heat neutral running alpha strike on the Kingfisher C in that timeframe.

To the extent Seekers are engaging more in banditry than upright Trials of Possession, I might opt for something faster with hands, like a Stormcrow Prime.  Still well-armored with an all-energy, heat-neutral walking alpha strike.

Consider protomech escort.  Scorpions built the Triton specifically for this duty.

https://www.sarna.net/wiki/Triton

I don’t recall any Scorpion vehicles.  But support like a BattleMech Recovery Vehicle seems obvious, depending on how big an artifact you’re going after.

[CJC070]

Okay...  I'm not much of a clan player and when I was for a long time I was looking a Ghost Bear but I keep thinking how much for the Scorpions could be.

So I am looking at a Seeker lead force set in the 3050/60 era what would it be.
1 mech a few support vehicles, maybe an old Leopard Dropship?

Help the new guy out?

One other consideration is look into old SLDF “energy boats”.  If any possesses a few of those it is the Scorpion Goliath Seekers.

[Flaresnake]

Trade routes are similarly desirable for the Empire and its powerful merchant caste and fleet.

The Scorpion's have a big fleet? How did they get that?

[Doc Swift]

In the Crusade.

[Flaresnake]

In the Crusade.

The Hansa had enough jumpships to considered major.

[Doc Swift]

And the Hansa are now Imperials.

[Colt Ward]

The Scorpion's have a big fleet? How did they get that?

*sniffles* They did have the majority of the Clan Potemkins, a McKenna, and some other big guns.

Seekers-  Consider a RP party . . . Mechwarrior, your DS pilot has a ASF in the hanger that they can fly while the DS is grounded, you have a point of Elementals that are probably solahma while being able to do some of the grunt work, give them a merchant for dealing, a tech with a Star League expertise, and yes a point of vehicles . . . driven/operated by more solahma.  It would be considered a well equipped Seeker.  Oh, yeah, don't they have familiars?

[Weirdo]

To the extent Seekers are engaging more in banditry than upright Trials of Possession, I might opt for something faster with hands, like a Stormcrow Prime.  Still well-armored with an all-energy, heat-neutral walking alpha strike.

My preference for playing a Seeker is a Man O' War H. It's got a hand, it's got the speed to quickly get into(or out of) trouble, it's tough, it's got the heavy damage to end a fight quickly, and it's got a solid energy armament so it can keep fighting even after the cannon ammo runs out. My only gripe is a lack of active probe, but that's what escorting Protos or suits are for.

[DOC_Agren]

Seekers-  Consider a RP party . . . Mechwarrior, your DS pilot has a ASF in the hanger that they can fly while the DS is grounded, you have a point of Elementals that are probably solahma while being able to do some of the grunt work, give them a merchant for dealing, a tech with a Star League expertise, and yes a point of vehicles . . . driven/operated by more solahma.  It would be considered a well equipped Seeker.  Oh, yeah, don't they have familiars?

Now I see people saying using clan mech, what about SL Royal design?  If you are heading into Inner Sphere/ even the Rimward an Inner Sphere mech stands out less?

[Rainbow 6]

Now I see people saying using clan mech, what about SL Royal design?  If you are heading into Inner Sphere/ even the Rimward an Inner Sphere mech stands out less?

Very true, something like a Royal Black Knight perhaps?

[BrianDavion]

Now I see people saying using clan mech, what about SL Royal design?  If you are heading into Inner Sphere/ even the Rimward an Inner Sphere mech stands out less?

by 3150 a clan mech woul;dn't stand out all that much

[rebs]

Still gives away who you get your rig from, so to speak.

[ArkRoyalRavager]

It could just be battlefield salvage or scrap that was restored in any decent yard.

[truetanker]

Okay...  I'm not much of a clan player and when I was for a long time I was looking a Ghost Bear but I keep thinking how much for the Scorpions could be.

So I am looking at a Seeker lead force set in the 3050/60 era what would it be.
1 mech a few support vehicles, maybe an old Leopard Dropship?

Help the new guy out?

Lion Wolf Dragoon-Class:

THG-11Eb : Star Commander
TDR-5S (C) : XO
WVE-5Nsl : MW
Puma-005b
Puma-005b
Turhan Original
Turhan Original

Infantry Point
Battle Armor Point
Battle Armor Point
Protomech Point : Early versions

TT

[DOC_Agren]

TT I will be honest I'm impressed you guess so right what I was looking at on my Seeker Mech - THG-11Eb

Now my question would he have 2 fellow Seeker Mechwarriors or would they be Bondsmen?

I like the 2 Puma Tanks for security
but was thinking of a Rotunda for "discrete" looking at things.  I mean no one would look at a 20 ton car funny...  plus so u can play Spy Hunter... 8)
Mobile HQ for Dig site command unit
Mech Recovery Vehicle
Engineering Vehicle

2 platoons of Foot Infantry

Either a Royal Sabre or Thunderbird Aerospace Fighter to provide the dropship with "limited" protection and some airmobile recon ability.

[CJC070]

TT I will be honest I'm impressed you guess so right what I was looking at on my Seeker Mech - THG-11Eb

Now my question would he have 2 fellow Seeker Mechwarriors or would they be Bondsmen?

I like the 2 Puma Tanks for security
but was thinking of a Rotunda for "discrete" looking at things.  I mean no one would look at a 20 ton car funny...  plus so u can play Spy Hunter... 8)
Mobile HQ for Dig site command unit
Mech Recovery Vehicle
Engineering Vehicle

2 platoons of Foot Infantry

Either a Royal Sabre or Thunderbird Aerospace Fighter to provide the dropship with "limited" protection and some airmobile recon ability.

Make your thug seeker into a star commander with one point of tanks, 1 point of infantry (trained in boarding and dropsip defence) , one elemental point, and one aerospace point.  A little mixed but gives you options.

[truetanker]

DOC?

Suggest : Record Sheets: 3050 Unabridged (Clan & Star League), p. 297

Might be what your looking for. Sure it's a custom one off, but in the day and age of this era, great minds think alike. And more importantly, it's not only a custom , it's canon legal custom!

And I'd like to replace my dropship suggestion to THIS.

She'll give you the ability to make your own vessel complements.

AND not only that, a plot line and a background of how you got it as well.

Back to TO&E...

I still say a pair of Badger C's with two Points of Infantry, one Foot ( I'm suggesting Clan Space Marine here) and one Elemental BA. Space Marine for the cross-trained boarding / security. For your Badgers would a pair of Prime be something you'd use? ( ERM and SSRM4 )

TT

[DOC_Agren]

DOC?

Suggest : Record Sheets: 3050 Unabridged (Clan & Star League), p. 297

Might be what your looking for. Sure it's a custom one off, but in the day and age of this era, great minds think alike. And more importantly, it's not only a custom , it's canon legal custom!

And I'd like to replace my dropship suggestion to THIS.

She'll give you the ability to make your own vessel complements.

AND not only that, a plot line and a background of how you got it as well.

Back to TO&E...

I still say a pair of Badger C's with two Points of Infantry, one Foot ( I'm suggesting Clan Space Marine here) and one Elemental BA. Space Marine for the cross-trained boarding / security. For your Badgers would a pair of Prime be something you'd use? ( ERM and SSRM4 )

TT

Prefect dropship idea
and I love  the Thug you directed me too.

Badger C prime nice design
?? would a Seeker be able to take Elemental BA? 

[truetanker]

Well, bondsmen them, they don't have to be a full point either... Though you're correct in the fact abstractions work, just not everyone uses that.

So if you have SO book... Check out the abstraction rules.

TT

[Weirdo]

Headcanon supported by nothing:

The ability of Confederate-class DropShips to transport and support a small ground force for long periods of time means that those remaining in the Scorpion fleet are highly prized, especially for small Seeker missions. While no permanent conversions have been made, Confederate crews have also proved adept at setting up surprisingly comfortable bunk quarters within 1 or 2 unoccupied Mech Cubicles, providing sufficient space for a small group of Seeker Mechwarriors to be accompanied by supporting Battle Armor Points as well as lower castes support personnel.

With the absorption of large numbers of Hansa Manatees into the fleet, studies are under way to determine if vessels of this ancient class could be permanently refitted into a similar configuration, as they are largely unsuited to regular transport duties in any Clan-style military. It is the hope of all personnel involved that this project would also boost the Manatee's armor levels to levels considered acceptable in the current millennium.

[Wrangler]

Could the Manatees be used to transport Battle Armor points? It would be able to do it, i would imagine. Sorry I don't have my books to go further, but roughly using sarna.

A Transport bay (a ship one for dropships) used as Battle Armor Bays weigh 2/1 tons. All Infantry Bays can be combined into a single, unified infantry bay slot, regardless of tonnage or number of troopers, when used on combat or support vehicles. Infantry compartments can be of any size, fitting within 1 space, holding 1 troop for each ton.

Under the Advanced Rules for Battle Armor four PA(L) troopers or two Light Battle Armor troopers can be accommodated in a 1 ton Battle Armor Bay. Medium suits use the standard rules, while Heavy and Assault suits require 1.5 tons and 2 tons of space respectively.

So there maybe usable room.

[Weirdo]

I don't discuss customs, but if the devs were so inclined to take a crack at it, If point out that if you want to carry anything smaller than a mech, there's a LOT of room on a Manatee. :)