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Re: The Scorpion Empire: All your Warhawks are belong to us
« Reply #810 on: 05 July 2023, 11:47:41 »
Different play styles I guess. I've always subscribed to the idea that Omniunits can and often are reconfigured to fulfill different needs, which allows for fulfilling problems like this without relying upon CGL to create new configs.  But to each their own.

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« Reply #811 on: 05 July 2023, 11:52:16 »
Well, if we're all done talking down to Weirdo for the cardinal sin of not using customs (and explaining OmniFighters to one of this board's most prolific aerospace players as if he was somehow unaware of this), can we move on, please?
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« Reply #812 on: 05 July 2023, 11:58:29 »
I am happy to have people not being talked down to for participating in an in universe discussion of how a combat tactic can still work without a specific unit.
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« Reply #813 on: 05 July 2023, 12:06:23 »
Deleted. I'll let the mods handle this nonsense.
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« Reply #814 on: 05 July 2023, 12:19:18 »
You're right. I apologize to Weirdo for being a bit of a dick regarding his distaste for custom units. I was simply trying to allow other participants in the thread, who may be less familiar with aerospace, that the Scorpions losing access to the Khirgiz does not prevent them from using their air drop strategy, and got snippier than I needed to at Weirdo's use of stooping when referring to part of the game I immensely enjoy
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« Reply #815 on: 05 July 2023, 13:12:31 »
I apologize for my word choices, but please don't ever suggest using any of those things to me again, as it causes extreme offense.
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« Reply #816 on: 05 July 2023, 14:04:15 »


i'm begging y'all to just use the Kirghiz

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« Reply #817 on: 05 July 2023, 14:21:31 »


i'm begging y'all to just use the Kirghiz

This is literally how I imagine you looking every single time an MUL issues comes up, LOL.
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« Reply #818 on: 05 July 2023, 20:06:50 »
 There was a time when speaking of Clan tech in a periphery thread might have caused similar looks among the player base.

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« Reply #819 on: 06 July 2023, 10:28:30 »
Zellbrigen, salvage, look pa', I found someone's old stash... take your pick. You do you.

MUL is not only a work in progress, it's just a guideline, not commandments set in stone.

I certainly like the challenge of making something work and coming up with a plausible reason though.

(I say as I spent an hour last night trying to plan another Scorpion Empire star and finding some of the mech I wanted didn't show up...)
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« Reply #820 on: 06 July 2023, 10:57:55 »
There was a time when speaking of Clan tech in a periphery thread might have caused similar looks among the player base.

There are still players that give those looks. I pay them about as much mind as I do any other old man shouting at the clouds. Which is to say, none at all.  ;D
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« Reply #821 on: 06 July 2023, 17:52:07 »
Actively refusing to listen to Sartis' voice of reason (sorry), another thought entered my mind: Using Small Crafts for battlefield insertion of BA. The NL-42 with its ten ton Battle Armor bay is on the Scorpion's MUL, for those of us who are interested in such a thing. Being a spheroid craft, handling within the atmosphere may be a bit awkward, but it's possible to use it to air deploy Elementals.
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« Reply #822 on: 06 July 2023, 20:27:27 »
Yeah man, throw them out of a union c in low orbit if you need to

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« Reply #823 on: 10 July 2023, 15:35:34 »
VTOL's, too.
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« Reply #824 on: 11 July 2023, 04:18:27 »
VTOL's, too.
Can you throw VTOLs out of a dropship in low orbit?

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« Reply #825 on: 11 July 2023, 05:21:25 »
Can you throw VTOLs out of a dropship in low orbit?

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« Reply #826 on: 11 July 2023, 20:13:56 »
Zellbrigen, salvage, look pa', I found someone's old stash... take your pick. You do you.

MUL is not only a work in progress, it's just a guideline, not commandments set in stone.

I certainly like the challenge of making something work and coming up with a plausible reason though.


Zellbrigen or isorla?

As a baseline description of who has what and when, the MUL is extremely useful. I've had more enjoyment in the past few years mostly sticking with faction and era availability, rather than shoehorning in mismatches. That's not to say unusual items don't get salvaged during a campaign - but it happens onscreen, organically.

Anything can work in pickup games, but rejecting even mild guidelines in a campaign environment can demonstrate lack of engagement, or '13th Warrior' syndrome.

I had a player that wanted to run a Mad Cat MkII in an IS campaign game... starting in 2764. In another case someone wanted to use Celestials in a Dark Age campaign, but rejected outright playing during the Jihad when it was offered as an alternative. Another player in the same group had 'plausible' reasons for having abundant Society tech. I think it was something something Clan Wolverine something something Dr Banzai.






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« Reply #827 on: 11 July 2023, 21:56:14 »
You can throw anything out of a dropship if you're brave enough.
and at least once..

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« Reply #828 on: 12 July 2023, 23:31:13 »
I was thinking more like VTOL as an insertion vehicle for Elementals.  Possibly.  They may not be able to be used in such ways with larger equipped infantry such as battle armor.

But if VTOL transport for BA is possible, they could easily retrieve and/or redeploy the Elementals as well.

Knowing how BT mechanics tend to work, that would be far too convenient.  So I imagine VTOLs don't quite have the lift capacity to deploy BA in more than one trooper at a time, if even that.
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« Reply #829 on: 13 July 2023, 08:33:18 »
VTOL and Small Craft insertions are very good ideas and I use both myself,  just not for a formation that is still very explicitly composed of Elementals and Aerospace Fighters.
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« Reply #830 on: 16 July 2023, 18:18:12 »

There's been a fresh addition to Empire's MUL (most likely due to new KS boxes but no complaints here)

Von Luckner tank (VNL-K65N-Vanilla) is available starting from Jihad era. Tracks nicely with the lore since it was one of SLDF "old faithfuls" that would be used to jumpstart local arms production in Imperio during the early years. Castilians and Umayyads already had almost all components in production at that point, all Scorpions had to do was to pull the blueprints from archives, email them to some of those factories they spruced up when they took over and watch brand new Von Luckners roll off the assembly lines.

And it's nice how it contrasts with entry for Patton tank which only shows up in Dark Age (AKA after the Crusade). It was post-exodus design which Scorpions would not have on file but it's exactly the thing that Hansa would license from Lyrans during the arms race (and something Lyrans would easily part with in exchange for big fat paycheck from very nervous Deep Periphery cousins).

It's awesome how you have these little lore tidbits hidden in MUL.

There is also Goshawk II 4 showing up in ilClan era but there don't seem to be any fancy story there, clearly bought from Sea Foxes (unless it was isorla from that double trial?)

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« Reply #831 on: 17 July 2023, 05:33:24 »
Agreed.  If you don't ultimately want a targeting computer on your targeting computer, i want your Scorpion card.  Now. 
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« Reply #832 on: 01 August 2023, 00:45:47 »
Hi, I'm trying to gather information on the Scorpion Keshik.  I've scoured my  ever expanding collection of digital sourcebooks and can't find anything. Sarna doesn't have anything either. It appears that the Scorpion Keshik unit was recently canonized just. Year ago.  I understand the Hellion Keshik is an associated cluster with Beta Galaxy. Is Scorpion Keshik a new command attached to Alpha Galaxy in the ilClan Era?

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« Reply #833 on: 01 August 2023, 02:37:59 »
Both of those Keshiks were created in OTP: Hanseatic Crusade, along with Seeker Keshik.

Beta Galaxy no longer exists. It's Hellion Galaxy now, with Hellion Keshik the saKhan's personal unit.

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« Reply #834 on: 01 August 2023, 14:03:46 »
Ah, I picked up that pdf now. Thank you.

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« Reply #835 on: 24 August 2023, 11:38:30 »
VTOL's, too.

Anhur BA is what you're looking for.

Imagine two pairs of Anhur BA with a pair of Donar riding shotgun, any type but most likely Close Support.

That's four 10-tons of Toads a droppin'!

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« Reply #836 on: 24 August 2023, 16:35:49 »
Anhur BA is what you're looking for.

Imagine two pairs of Anhur BA with a pair of Donar riding shotgun, any type but most likely Close Support.

That's four 10-tons of Toads a droppin'!

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I like that combo.  Nice and deadly.
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« Reply #837 on: 24 August 2023, 23:47:32 »
Yeah, I left a BA Point and two support Points out, allowing something fast and Omni to follow on.

Good bone structure there. I'd run a Kit Fox V and a Bowman to provide support, adding in various mechs to offer this as a Support Nova Star within a Binary formation.

Based off your versions of gameplay.

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Re: The Scorpion Empire: All your Warhawks are belong to us
« Reply #838 on: 25 August 2023, 14:08:48 »
Anhur BA is what you're looking for.

Imagine two pairs of Anhur BA with a pair of Donar riding shotgun, any type but most likely Close Support.

That's four 10-tons of Toads a droppin'!

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« Reply #839 on: 25 August 2023, 15:11:23 »
You mean to say a pair of Anhur BA and a pair of Onuris riding shotun. Go for the trickery of looking like 4 unprotected Anhurs.

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