Rasalhague Dominion: The voting will continue until morale improves!

[MoneyLovinOgre4Hire]

We need a new line anyway, we don’t make a 100t standard chassis.

And also, why?

Because the Tom I uses standard internal structure and is extremely crit-packed in most of its configurations.  It's not possible to build any of its configurations besides the Prime on the Tom II.

[Kerfuffin(925)]

A post on Reddit inspired me to go take another look at the camo/insignia deals on our art in DD. 

I mentioned how I thought its was weird the khan, prince and galaxy commanders all had ghost bear insignia while the rest had RasDom insignias.

The Reddit post made me look at the art and see what galaxies had what insignia. The traditionally clan galaxies (Alpha, Rho, and their keshiks) used the old ghost bear insignia. The newer or traditionally mixed galaxies used the RasDom triangle.

I’m not sure if this means anything, is just recycling some art, or was just a coincidence/mistake.

[wantec]

It does need something that is more than 5 and 10 point clusters.

That's my own complaint as well. The OG Tomahawk has 15 or 20 point clusters on the Prime, A, and B configs, while the Tomahawk II doesn't have anything larger than 10 points.

[Foxx Ital]

I use the tomahawk to lay mines...more effective than you think ^_^

[Kerfuffin(925)]

Ok Polaris thoughts…and how it might lead to a ‘fix’ of the touman

It’s mentioned in the fluff they saw little use after the 2nd Drac War. The ones with Omega were recalled and mostly mothballed. Beta had a stars worth of them.

(The fluff contradicts itself and says 20 were built and they lost 3 (17), afterwards Beta kept theirs (5) and Omegas were recalled. 12 were mothballed (17) plus some were sent to Alpha and Kungsarme galaxies. So either 20 is wrong or Alpha and KungsArme didnt get any).

Why would Beta keep them? Why would they restart unchanged production (light vee bays are way better for transporting APC/IFVs)? Sure there were less mechs and therefore Omnimechs around, but Beta being one of the two premier galaxies should be more or less fine. It’s certainly less useful now for BA transport, as most front line galaxies are back around 75-80% Omni status anyhow. 20 vees can transport a lot more infantry than 10 points of BA. There is a big disconnect here in what service they provide and its actual use. Unless…They need vehicles for some use other than transport.

[Foxx Ital]

My guess is it was too awesome and had to be removed for fear of bears just cruise missile spamming the combine back to the age of war.

[Kerfuffin(925)]

My guess is it was too awesome and had to be removed for fear of bears just cruise missile spamming the combine back to the age of war.

I mean that’s why they stopped getting built. I don’t care about that, I’m saying there is a reason betw galaxy kept theirs, and that reason is combat vehicles. We can use this fluff to leverage a change in how the touman is organized

[Jellico]

The front line Clusters spent the best part of 40 years with vehicle Stars.

I don't know if you have noticed that for tank transport the options are Polaris, Outposts, or some old SLDF ship.

[Kerfuffin(925)]

The front line Clusters spent the best part of 40 years with vehicle Stars.

I don't know if you have noticed that for tank transport the options are Polaris, Outposts, or some old SLDF ship.

Where does it say that? I just looked through ER and FM3145 and I don’t see it.

Wars of the Republic era mentions the front line galaxies (Alpha Beta Rho and Omega) use front line equipment, with minimal second line support. Second line could be non-Omni or assault BA or vees. It also mentions they were the first to benefit from increased production post-Jihad, which is said to be alot of Omni mechs.
Artillery in the Beta Galaxy portion was provided by above Polaris.
Only note of vehicles in relation to frontline galaxies was that the Polaris was initially meant to transport them, but it was used in an artillery barrage.


Sarna mentions, in FM3085, Rho using transport novas. But nothing about combat.


I’m not being argumentative just to do it, I just can’t see where it says that.

[Jellico]

My apologies. I could have sworn I left something in FM3145.
Probably a mental note that some kind of IFVs would be needed with so few OmniMechs.

[nova_dew]

going back to FM:3145, I think we might be getting more toys sometime, or at least more production, p152-153, RasDom section, third paragraph, "Since the Blackout, all of these factories—plus a few new ones—have been struggling to gear up for the inevitable war", one is Jötunn BattleWorx, whom are the others?

Where does it say that? I just looked through ER and FM3145 and I don’t see it.

Wars of the Republic era mentions the front line galaxies (Alpha Beta Rho and Omega) use front line equipment, with minimal second line support. Second line could be non-Omni or assault BA or vees. It also mentions they were the first to benefit from increased production post-Jihad, which is said to be alot of Omni mechs.
Artillery in the Beta Galaxy portion was provided by above Polaris.
Only note of vehicles in relation to frontline galaxies was that the Polaris was initially meant to transport them, but it was used in an artillery barrage.


Sarna mentions, in FM3085, Rho using transport novas. But nothing about combat.


I’m not being argumentative just to do it, I just can’t see where it says that.

My apologies. I could have sworn I left something in FM3145.
Probably a mental note that some kind of IFVs would be needed with so few OmniMechs.

The mention is in Theta Galaxy and it's about the Galaxy keeping their tank Trinaries and transport Trinaries, Tau dropped the tanks as soon as they could, because they're try hards, (still want to know what's up with the Inheritors btw), Tundra also kept their vehicle Trinaries.

also interesting in what the NL-45 Transport is, is it just the Gunboat? if so that's a lot of firepower, "Hi I'm the 14th PGC and I bid a binary of BA and it's Transport Binaries... 10 NL45 Gunboats"   :thumbsup:

[Kerfuffin(925)]

going back to FM:3145, I think we might be getting more toys sometime, or at least more production, p152-153, RasDom section, third paragraph, "Since the Blackout, all of these factories—plus a few new ones—have been struggling to gear up for the inevitable war", one is Jötunn BattleWorx, whom are the others?

When FM3145 came out there was no Jotunn, but there also was no Viper or Firemoth factory. I assume they mean numbers wise rather than new designs. They also mention in a few places the increase in sibko size, which should be testing ‘this’ year (increased in 3132, coming online in 3152)

My apologies. I could have sworn I left something in FM3145.
Probably a mental note that some kind of IFVs would be needed with so few OmniMechs.

I assume almost all modern clan transports are IFVs, mainly because if they carry infantry they are a transport, and as a mechwarrior I have stopped caring at that point.

[Jellico]

, (still want to know what's up with the Inheritors btw),

also interesting in what the NL-45 Transport is, is it just the Gunboat? if so that's a lot of firepower, "Hi I'm the 14th PGC and I bid a binary of BA and it's Transport Binaries... 10 NL45 Gunboats"   :thumbsup:

Yes. NL45 Gunboats. Remember Kappa are the deep space escort specialists.

The Inheritors are still around and show up in DD briefly. Call it fetishising the noble savage if you will, but they the Dominion's friendly "natives" on the border. In varying states of "civilisation" they provide a useful skillset if a Dominion player feels the need for a code talker or tracker in their game. They don't really match up to any real world ethnic group except maybe the Amish. They are more generically tribal. They show up in Kappa as conventional infantry.

[nova_dew]

Yes. NL45 Gunboats. Remember Kappa are the deep space escort specialists.

The Inheritors are still around and show up in DD briefly. Call it fetishising the noble savage if you will, but they the Dominion's friendly "natives" on the border. In varying states of "civilisation" they provide a useful skillset if a Dominion player feels the need for a code talker or tracker in their game. They don't really match up to any real world ethnic group except maybe the Amish. They are more generically tribal. They show up in Kappa as conventional infantry.

So no real planned story hook with them atm? (not that you'd be able to talk about it anyway) also a nice way to get some Scout infantry or TAG Spotter Infantry platoons in, now for a way for us to get Semi-guided LRMS

[Kerfuffin(925)]

Regardless of what the front line galaxies did at any point, with the Polaris back in production we should use it.

A more balanced cluster that can reliably 2v1 a Drac regimental type unit. Less so against full RCTs. Also adds some ballast against horde clusters the Horses still use.

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Aesir/Titan 30 aero [1 trinary]
Polaris x3 (60 vee, 30BA) [2 trinary each]
Union-C (15 mechs) [1 trinary]
Overlord-C (45 mechs) [3 trinary]
Sasanid (15BA) [1 trinary]

3 supernova (15mech, 15 BA)
1 mech trinary (15 mechs)
1 weird ‘support’ supernova (30 vee, 30 aero)
1 ‘Transport’ [IFV] binary (20 vee)
1 artillery Star (10 vee)

60 mechs, 45 (225) BA, 30 combat vee, 30 aerospace fighter, 20 IFV, 10 artillery



That gives each front line galaxy a trinary of Polaris, 3 per 5 clusters. Maybe another 5 for dealing with spares and such. Binaries of BA have weird math for supporting trinaries, so it just had to work that way. Sasanid can be hit/miss depending on how supernova you want to go. If you don’t like IFVs or think everything should be mechanized already, move 10 to make an oversized combat Vee trinary, and add 10 to arty for (40/20)

All vees should be tracked or hover, no inbetween. Wheeled terrain restrictions make it too hard to get around outside of flat terrains or cities. Maybe VTOL for transport/IFV.

A Mule or other cargo Dropship can provide support and the whole task force can move on two Oddesey Jumpships.


Switch gears about rebuilding and factories and such, GTK used to build the Aesir/Vanir frames as well, but they closed them down per Objectives. It’s possible with the Polaris going into production at Alishan Naval Yards, GTK will pick up the slack in Aesir/Vanir production there.

All 3 of these ships appeared in the Merc RATs in DD so I would imagine they are producing them at high numbers.

[GuyIncognito]

Sorry for being dense, but what indicates the Polaris went back into production? The bit about Theta in FM3145?

[Kerfuffin(925)]

Sorry for being dense, but what indicates the Polaris went back into production? The bit about Theta in FM3145?

https://bg.battletech.com/forums/clan-chatterweb/rasalhague-dominion-the-voting-will-continue-until-morale-improves!/msg1912176/#msg1912176

Combined with the fact it appears in the Merc RAT. Basically TBTB gave hard numbers on it the first time, tying them to it. It’s the old Wolf Source book problem.

Edit: Merc RAT in DD

[GuyIncognito]

Thanks

[Jellico]

Switch gears about rebuilding and factories and such, GTK used to build the Aesir/Vanir frames as well, but they closed them down per Objectives. It’s possible with the Polaris going into production at Alishan Naval Yards, GTK will pick up the slack in Aesir/Vanir production there.

? TRO3085. "Reduced rate". Standard peace dividend.

[Kerfuffin(925)]

? TRO3085. "Reduced rate". Standard peace dividend.

Maybe they just stopped the Vanir as a pocket-warship.


Objectives-The Clans

Gorton, Kingsley & Thorpe have announced plans to take on JES’s Tyr hovercraft with a troop transport of their own. They have also testing a new Marauder IIC variant on Satalice. Finally, they will be ceasing production of the Vanir on Rasalhague. This line was built to provide hulls during the Jihad and the output had to go to Als- hain for completion. With the end of the Jihad, production of this large DropShip is no longer economical wise.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Are there any depictions of canon colors for the above? I know the Bear field uniform is greys and brownish-greys, but this doesn't look quite the same pattern. Also, how about the armor? Blue-grey seems a safe bet, but wanted some knowledgeable opinions. And it goes without saying it could be any colors I wanted for my games, I ask in case there is a line a novel or Shrapnel piece I've missed. Thanks!

[Kerfuffin(925)]

DD has a picture of what I’m almost positive is infantry, or maybe watch/irregulars.
But they are wearing light tan base/one darker grey/another darker gray in wobbly blobs.
P66



There is a watch Skulker C  in urban blues
P88

Mechwarrior coolant vest is just a browny grey, looks like the over armor slightly
P80

[Adrian Gideon]

A post on Reddit inspired me to go take another look at the camo/insignia deals on our art in DD. 

In this case, reading way too much into it. They should all have the RD logo.

[Kerfuffin(925)]

In this case, reading way too much into it. They should all have the RD logo.

Good deal

[Crimson Dynamo]

DD has a picture of what I’m almost positive is infantry, or maybe watch/irregulars.
But they are wearing light tan base/one darker grey/another darker gray in wobbly blobs.
P66

There is a watch Skulker C  in urban blues
P88

Mechwarrior coolant vest is just a browny grey, looks like the over armor slightly
P80

Solid references, thank you kindly. Do my eyes deceive, or is the infantryman on 66 wearing the same/similar colors as the Taiga Galaxy Locust IIC on 83? That would make sense, as the scene on 66 seems to the 4th Freemen taking control of the Benson and Bjorn factory on Spittal as described on the preceding page. And since the Freemen Clusters belong to Taiga...

[Kerfuffin(925)]

Solid references, thank you kindly. Do my eyes deceive, or is the infantryman on 66 wearing the same/similar colors as the Taiga Galaxy Locust IIC on 83? That would make sense, as the scene on 66 seems to the 4th Freemen taking control of the Benson and Bjorn factory on Spittal as described on the preceding page. And since the Freemen Clusters belong to Taiga...

It’s possible, them or the third, but no known RasDom cluster has been shown to use CI outside of a mention regarding Omega in 3145. If anything they are solhama planetary garrison troops, who aren’t ever mentioned in our ToEs.

End what you were asking about…


‘Garrison Clusters’ are just fancy words for second line clusters. It made sense calling them that in the homeworlds where the Touman was spread across a number of places that numbered in the dozen. They held a specific enclave or  continent. Here in the sphere they have more planets than the home world did, let alone ones that the ghost bears controlled. It’s been mentioned before that planetary militia and solhama isn’t accounted for. Maybe another way of leveraging a ‘3rd line’ type cluster

[Jellico]

Objectives Clans has third line forces and they are a pain in the neck because they don't really fit with anything else.

[Kerfuffin(925)]

Objectives Clans has third line forces and they are a pain in the neck because they don't really fit with anything else.

Yeah I see that in looking again. maybe it’s time to restructure them into something useful

[Kerfuffin(925)]

I’m kinda surprised no sea foxes popped up other than to screw us over by telling everyone Alaric thinks we suck. That can’t bode well for our relations.

[tassa_kay]

I’m kinda surprised no sea foxes popped up other than to screw us over by telling everyone Alaric thinks we suck. That can’t bode well for our relations.

Relations with whom? The Dominion is already unfriendly on a good day with literally all of its neighbors and doesn't have any particularly close allies, the only ones who'd even give a frak about what Alaric has to say are already on board with him, and they're more or less as self-sufficient as every other realm. And since the Foxes have wares for whoever has coin no matter what the other Clans have to say about it, I wouldn't worry too much about them, either.