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« Reply #120 on: 20 June 2023, 05:00:33 »
There might be an error of transposition in the roles of two of the Septicemia configurations.

The A is listed as a Scout, but the A-Z is listed as a Brawler.  However, it's the A-Z which has the Nova CEWS, whereas the A has removed the scouting gear in exchange for more weapons.  I realise that assigning of roles is not an exact science and sometimes it's just a bit of designer intent, but these two in particular seem a bit of a typo.

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« Reply #121 on: 20 June 2023, 05:10:04 »
Brought that up earlier as well.
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« Reply #122 on: 20 June 2023, 05:58:02 »
We'd have to look again but the A-Z has better weapon systems. I think we decided that it did too much damage to be a scout.

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« Reply #123 on: 20 June 2023, 06:02:30 »
Well, the A does damage in the same order of magnitude - 10 at S range, which is why I was initially confused at it being a Scout.

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« Reply #124 on: 20 June 2023, 06:33:56 »
The CRB-27 Crab is featured in TRO Succession Wars, not the CRB-20.
The GLH-1D Galahad is featured in TRO Succession Wars (this isn't noted).

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« Reply #125 on: 20 June 2023, 08:02:06 »
starified, thanks

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« Reply #126 on: 20 June 2023, 08:57:56 »
The following units aren't listed as being featured in TRO: Clan Invasion.  I'm just going through my TROs and looking up data from the MUL and noticed these.  All the other units in this and TRO: Succession Wars look to be star-happy.

Black Hawk (Nova) Prime
Dasher (Fire Moth) Prime
Dragonfly (Viper) Prime
Fenris (Ice Ferret) Prime
Fire Falcon Prime
Gladiator (Executioner) Prime
Grendel (Mongrel) Prime
Koshi (Mist Lynx) Prime
Loki (Hellbringer) Prime
Mad Cat (Timber Wolf) Prime
Man O' War (Gargoyle) Prime
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Ryoken (Stormcrow) Prime
Shadow Cat Prime
Thor (Summoner) Prime
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« Reply #127 on: 20 June 2023, 09:06:51 »
The following units aren't listed as being featured in TRO: Clan Invasion.
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« Reply #128 on: 22 June 2023, 23:13:11 »
SGT-8R Sagittaire needs to be updated to be featured in TRO: Jihad, and also I'm assuming its record sheets (I don't have those).  That's all I found for the units in TRO: Jihad.  Thanks again for all your hard work!

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« Reply #129 on: 22 June 2023, 23:28:34 »
So it does! The RS is also contained in the free record sheets for the ELH lance pack so we're pointing there since we can only do one.

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« Reply #130 on: 23 June 2023, 18:15:05 »
I missed that the RS were from the new Forcepacks, thanks!

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« Reply #131 on: 23 June 2023, 19:57:10 »
I was updating some of my units lists, and something caught my eye.

I have older cards saved that show the Schrek PPC Carrier (Armor) as not having the ENE special.  The updated cards do.  As it has AMS, is this in error?
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« Reply #132 on: 23 June 2023, 20:24:56 »
I missed that the RS were from the new Forcepacks, thanks!

For TRO: Dark Age, the only thing I had a question on was the OR-2I Orochi: Should its Rules Level be Advanced instead of Standard?

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« Reply #133 on: 24 June 2023, 01:03:40 »
Good to know!  I just saw it was listed as Advanced in the TRO.  A few more things I saw (and I'm done!):

TRO Dark Age-
MS-1A Mortis should be updated to be featured in this

TRO 3075-
Pariah (Septicemia) Prime needs to be featured

TRO 3085 Supplemental-
Arctic Wolf II Prime should be featured instead of the A config (just to be consistent for OCD purposes)
The Eidolon is not featured, just the Yao Lien is.

Thanks again!  I use the stars a lot to find things quickly so it's helpful for me at least.
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« Reply #134 on: 25 June 2023, 14:17:00 »
Not sure if this was already discussed somewhere, but I have only recently noticed the Jumbo class DropShip writeup and stats in Historical: Reunification War. It's a huge anachronism.

Problem 1: The Jumbo is listed, described and statted as a DropShip introduced 2423. That is 39 years before DropShips even became a thing with the introduction of the KF boom/hardpoint coupling for modern JumpShips in 2458 (prototyped in 2461).

Problem 2: In 2423, there were only Dropshuttles with their mass limit of 5,000 tons while the Jumbo is said to mass 14,800 tons.

Problem 3: The fluff for the Jumbo goes to some lengths to explain how the Jumbo concept - a multitude of similar craft from a multitude of manufacturers actually - pushed the envelope of DropShip sizes. But that doesn't fit at all with the evolution and especially the sizes of known DropShips otherwise. (Link to forum posting)
Tl;dr: It wasn't before 2600, i.e. some 140 years after the introduction of DropShips, that the 9,000 ton Dictator was introduced, after a series of designs gradually increasing in size. The Jumbo sticks out like a sore thumb, its size is way too big for its time and arguably still pushing the envelope 200 years down the timeline.

Unfortunately, given its fluff and the fact that it was published in H:Reunification War, this can't easily be fixed by simply changing the introduction date. Conversely, keeping the time and fluff means you'd have to re-design it as a vessel massing no more than 5,000 tons, a third of the stated size.

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« Reply #135 on: 25 June 2023, 17:31:32 »
The HK2 model Phoenix Hawk LAM should be featured.
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« Reply #136 on: 26 June 2023, 16:58:13 »
Albatross C from Shrapnel 13 is listed as available to both Clan Wolf and FWL in the Ilclan era. Why should it be available to the FWL? it's produced on Washburn, a planet
that has never been reconquered by the FWL (so far).

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« Reply #137 on: 26 June 2023, 19:29:31 »
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« Reply #138 on: 27 June 2023, 04:40:37 »
Further to the earlier discussion about units that have Scout as their Alpha Strike role and a relatively high damage value, I would like to propose a few more for review.

The following Omni-Mechs are the only version of the chassis with the Scout role.
Puma (Adder) S has a short-range damage value of 7.  Compare the TC Configuration.
Linebacker I has a short-range damage value of 6.  Compare the T Configuration.
Both the Black Lanner F and the Ryoken III (Skinwalker) D have short- and medium-range values of 5.  Compare the Black Lanner D.

Also, the Charger C has a short- and medium-range value of 6.  I am not so sure about this, since the Charger does have a history of being considered a Scout, although there are variants that have been changed to Skirmisher.

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« Reply #139 on: 27 June 2023, 07:03:07 »
There is no requirement that a Scout not have high damage values.
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« Reply #140 on: 27 June 2023, 09:07:36 »
There is no requirement that a Scout not have high damage values.

The only reason I raised these was because of this comment a little over a week ago.

We'd have to look again but the A-Z has better weapon systems. I think we decided that it did too much damage to be a scout.

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« Reply #141 on: 27 June 2023, 10:23:22 »
Drake Medium Stealth Fighter needs the art updated to match TRO: Prototypes.
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« Reply #142 on: 27 June 2023, 10:47:06 »
huh, strange. the image was in the database but never linked to that record. fixed

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« Reply #143 on: 27 June 2023, 11:03:01 »
The only reason I raised these was because of this comment a little over a week ago.

someone needs to talk to the Loki J.

There is room for a little wiggle as clan weapons can quickly pump damage values, especially at short range. It's good to have an occasional omni off-role mixed in sometimes in case you require something for formation building but can't add another mech for whatever reason. All of the mentioned mechs carry loadouts and/or equipment that can be used in a scouting context so it works out. Damage need not be the only sorting criteria, especially when AS stats sometimes obfuscate how those numbers are generated.
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« Reply #144 on: 28 June 2023, 01:25:29 »
someone needs to talk to the Loki J.

There is room for a little wiggle as clan weapons can quickly pump damage values, especially at short range. It's good to have an occasional omni off-role mixed in sometimes in case you require something for formation building but can't add another mech for whatever reason. All of the mentioned mechs carry loadouts and/or equipment that can be used in a scouting context so it works out. Damage need not be the only sorting criteria, especially when AS stats sometimes obfuscate how those numbers are generated.

Thank you for the explanation.  After studying the specific configurations in more detail, I see what you mean.  But do still have one query.  Out of the Black Lanner configurations with probes (A, D and F) I would be inclined to say that D and F are very close in loadout but one is a Skirmisher and one is a Scout.

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« Reply #145 on: 28 June 2023, 01:28:11 »
The Ares Apollo is currently lacking faction availability.  Is that intentional because "waiting for additional information" or an oversight?
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« Reply #146 on: 28 June 2023, 01:30:03 »
apparently never added in. it should have the same spread as the rest of the configs

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« Reply #147 on: 30 June 2023, 21:55:11 »
I found this guy that has an error. Its TUR damage value is higher than its basic damage. Also, based on the values, it looks like its PV is too high.
http://masterunitlist.info/Unit/Details/2014/manticore-heavy-tank-the-ballista


And this one. The card does not load.
http://masterunitlist.info/Unit/Details/8141/hmrv-hazard-materials-recovery-vehicle-davy-crockett-launcher-trailer


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« Reply #149 on: 02 July 2023, 10:09:31 »
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Grand Dragon DRG-7K (Mark) should be Grand Dragon DRG-7K (Kisomita) to adhere to naming conventions of using the last name.
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