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how certain are they it is a B-21, and not a B-2? they look fairly similar from a distance

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True!  And how easy is it to assert one for the other? :)

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The exhausts are much closer to the wing edge than the B-2, and not in trenches. Also the main gears have only two wheels as apposed to the B-2's four.
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Location can also play a factor. The B2 roster is limited and the locations of most (if not all) are pretty well tracked. This could be a pic from the place where the B-21 is being built & tested
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70's Brit documentary bit on Jags in Germany
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Hpey7hBe8s

I'd love to see sci-fi settings with retro vibes carry through with grainy VHS fake documentaries introducing the mecha or starfighters or whatever of the setting  :grin:

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Watching the infamous video of a Hind being shot down early in the war, it hits the ground no more than 5 seconds after impact by MANPADS, and is in fact dangerously nose-down by 3 seconds. So the pilot would need near-instantaneous reactions to trigger the ejection in time to get out, and the delay may make it impossible for the second crew member to get out at all.
It was a Hind, they don't fly great without power
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I've heard they don't always fly great even with power.
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Big bastards are fast though. And, down low and nose-on, there are few helos that look more frighteningly efficient at what they are intended to do.
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The National Mesueum of the United States Air Force has added an Su-27UB.

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The National Mesueum of the United States Air Force has added an Su-27UB.



The F-111 is about two feet longer, but optimized for supersonic dash as it is, it really doesn't have the Flanker's presence and span. The eye-popping part is the MiG-31 is another foot longer than the F-111, and the MiG-25 is 4 more feet longer than even that.

So the USAF worry that the MiG-25 was some kind of super dogfighter has me incredulously wondering who the hell thought that when looking at a jet 78 feet long[/il]


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RAF Phantom training in the early 70s
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R5YEZHxCmuM

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Did this as filler art for one of Gio's Niops fanfics. The joke, of course, is that the Battletech Torrent bomber is actually just a B-52 in disguise

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Disguise?  I'd be hard pressed to even call it "a new paint job"... ;D

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Can't remember if i shared this before, but 3 planes, all 1/72 scale, a Privateer, Avenger and an A-10.  Bombloads have certainly changed since the early days.

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No kidding!  :shocked:

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Heh...

A Buff-J escorted by A10Cs with a KC-Z and a E7A flying in formations...

Bomber with CISW
Attack Ground Support
AWACS
Refueler

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One of the Saab Gripen E prototypes has been sporting a reprofiled wing courtesy of reshaped control surfaces giving it more of a trailing trapezoid

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I imagine it may have required tweaking the flight control software and FBW system. Wing alterations are pretty rare (unlike fuselage stretches...). You can't just say... give the F-35A the wings from the F-35C due to all of the engineering (hydraulics lines, etc.) involved. See also the cost overruns of the Mitsubishi F-2, which has a redesigned wing and different flight-controls among other alterations.

Beyond weird experimental craft like NASA's B-57s, only a handful of other cases come to mind. The F-111B, F-111C and FB-111 all have longer-span wings. The F-86 Sabre got the revised 6-3 wing partway through its life, and the later versions of the J-7 got a cranked-delta wing of increased span for more fuel and hardpoints

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One of the Saab Gripen E prototypes has been sporting a reprofiled wing courtesy of reshaped control surfaces giving it more of a trailing trapezoid

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I imagine it may have required tweaking the flight control software and FBW system. Wing alterations are pretty rare (unlike fuselage stretches...). You can't just say... give the F-35A the wings from the F-35C due to all of the engineering (hydraulics lines, etc.) involved. See also the cost overruns of the Mitsubishi F-2, which has a redesigned wing and different flight-controls among other alterations.

Beyond weird experimental craft like NASA's B-57s, only a handful of other cases come to mind. The F-111B, F-111C and FB-111 all have longer-span wings. The F-86 Sabre got the revised 6-3 wing partway through its life, and the later versions of the J-7 got a cranked-delta wing of increased span for more fuel and hardpoints

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You forgot one...though it never made it to production, the prototypes WERE converted from other airframes;

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What's that one?  I'm not an aviator, so I have to ask...

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F-16 XL.
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Ah, thanks! :)

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Saab Grippen is such a great looking airplane.
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Saab Grippen is such a great looking airplane.

Looks good, AND flies good.
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You forgot one...though it never made it to production, the prototypes WERE converted from other airframes;



Major structural changes too. 56" longer, 2-2.5 tonnes heavier, removal of ventral fins... it actually has a lot in common with the Su-34 where the modifications are really comprehensive enough that it should get its own designation as a derivative design.

The XL is mentioned briefly in Red Eagles : America's secret MiGs as it and the F-15E prototype were given some brief evaluation against the 4477th's MiGs. The F-16XL had eye watering roll rates, but it was mentioned that it rapidly bled energy during sustained turning, which isn't that surprising, since that's a common observation of tailless delta designs with their big wings.

Part of me wonders if the XL pilot was simply trying to fight it like a normal F-16 since it seems like it would have been too early in development for design-specific tactics to be developed. I suppose luckily for the prototype F-15E pilots, they still generally fly like other F-15s...

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Just add Hawke Hunter...

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Its too bad the F16XL couldnt come back like a Super Hornet from the Hornet.
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Its too bad the F16XL couldnt come back like a Super Hornet from the Hornet.
Very different purposes. The Super Hornet was to replace the aging A-6 and F-14 in a way that would get the Navy in as little trouble as possible with Congress during the Peace Dividend years.

The F-16XL started as a technology test program, that mutated into something else.
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FatGuy, that's an AMAZING pic! :)

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Bur, for sure, that image is mesmerizing.
Thought I might get a rocket ride when I was a child.          We are the wild youth,                                And through villages of ether
But it was a lie, that I told myself                                          Chasing visions of our futures.                   Oh, my crucifixion comes
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